This weekend is the start of the Tour De France, one of the most grueling endurance events on the planet. Lance Armstrong is retired, but look for Italy's Ivan Basso, Germany's Jan Ullrich, and Americans Levi Leipheimer and Floyd Landis to battle it out. This race is a celebration of white athletic prowess as almost all of the athletes are of European decent. It is a great event and I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Tour De France 2006
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Ive watched the tour my whole life it truley is one of the worlds greatist sporting events. With that said I think the Tour is in for some rough times. The dopeing scandels have cast such a huge shadow on the sport, and I don't see them being resolved any time soon. Lance Armstrong winning seven tours will make the next few champs seem unimpressive. For the Tours history there were four men to win five, then lance comes and wins seven. When one man becomes biger than the sport it hurts the sport.
Well it looks like another WHITE American is going to win the most demanding sporting event in the world. Barring an unforseen tragedy Floyd Landis is going to win the Tour today. What will the white hating french say this time?
WAR FLOYD!!!
Gee, who do you think will get more coverage..Woods if he wins the British Open or Landis?
WAR FLOYD!!!
Gee, who do you think will get more coverage..Woods if he wins the British Open or Landis?
That makes 11 wins in the last 21 TDFs for the Americans. It is a great accomplishment for the white American male athlete. Stage 17 will go down in history as the greatest one day performance of the Tour. Landis climbed 5 mountain passes without his team to blow away the competition. The man, just like Armstrong, is a great example of heart, determination, and endurance. Way to go Floyd!!!
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JD074 said:
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Damn you're good!
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Poacher said:
I think that Landis is about to get A LOT of coverage
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If Landis cheated, it was likely only by taking better performance-enhancing drugs than the competition.
Sometimes I think we should just quit trying to police drug use in athletics, just make it open. Just too much politicizing in the choice of athletes who gets caught. I'm pretty sure that the athlete not using anything is the odd man out in most sports. I'm not sure the public would ever accept clean athletes in popular sports again-they would prefer the higher performances. The obvious and observable physical difference between bodybuilders in the pre-steroid era and now is mind-blowing, what must it mean for other sports?
And Menelik, if Landis had won without incident, I'm sure he could expect the standard amount of coverage for anyone in the post-Lance era. If the evidence of him cheating is damning enough, however, he being a White athlete, he will be crucified. And if a Black man ever wins the Tour De France, he will be made into GOD, even if it turns out later he had JATO rockets up his ass. I don't think you can honestly deny that.
This question is not Tour related, but I don't expect that you'll answer it anyway. Notice how Tiger Woods is unusual in his field? Notice how Vitali Klitscko, Nick Valuev, and Sergei Liakovich are unusual in theirs? (If you are not an ardent boxing fan, they are the three great White boxers who currently hold HW titles. The fact that if you are not an ardent boxing fan, you will not have heard of these men, is integral to my point.)
How do you explain the one anamoly being worshipped and the other pointedly ignored by the media?Edited by: White_Savage
Sometimes I think we should just quit trying to police drug use in athletics, just make it open. Just too much politicizing in the choice of athletes who gets caught. I'm pretty sure that the athlete not using anything is the odd man out in most sports. I'm not sure the public would ever accept clean athletes in popular sports again-they would prefer the higher performances. The obvious and observable physical difference between bodybuilders in the pre-steroid era and now is mind-blowing, what must it mean for other sports?
And Menelik, if Landis had won without incident, I'm sure he could expect the standard amount of coverage for anyone in the post-Lance era. If the evidence of him cheating is damning enough, however, he being a White athlete, he will be crucified. And if a Black man ever wins the Tour De France, he will be made into GOD, even if it turns out later he had JATO rockets up his ass. I don't think you can honestly deny that.
This question is not Tour related, but I don't expect that you'll answer it anyway. Notice how Tiger Woods is unusual in his field? Notice how Vitali Klitscko, Nick Valuev, and Sergei Liakovich are unusual in theirs? (If you are not an ardent boxing fan, they are the three great White boxers who currently hold HW titles. The fact that if you are not an ardent boxing fan, you will not have heard of these men, is integral to my point.)
How do you explain the one anamoly being worshipped and the other pointedly ignored by the media?Edited by: White_Savage
Interesting how Menelik's original purpose to post on this site was to gather information on white (and supposedly) black nationalist sites. But now surprise! He returns merely for the express purpose to gloat that a white athlete *may* have been caught cheating. How nice of him. I guess the professional interest has given way to racial loyalty on his part. Maybe he understands us better now?
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White_Savage said:
Uh, Tiger is black playing in a predominately white sport?
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jaxvid said:
Never assume guy, Landis caught me by surprise too. The clairvoyance abilities of some posters on the internet never fails to astonish me.Edited by: Menelik
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Menelik said:
And that makes him more newsworthy than whites competing, and winning, in predominately black sports? Especially when you consider how blacks are so much better athletes and everything, shouldn't it be more noteworthy when a white man wins ANYTHING in competition against a black?
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And that makes him more newsworthy than whites competing, and winning, in predominately black sports? Especially when you consider how blacks are so much better athletes and everything, shouldn't it be more noteworthy when a white man wins ANYTHING in competition against a black?
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Spare me your mind reading talent. White Savage asked me a question and I gave him an answer. Please feel free to quote anything that I have said that can be construed as blacks being better athletes. As far as sports go I enjoy watching them but I have WAY MORE important things to worry about then whether or not the MSM is worshiping Tiger.Edited by: Menelik
And that makes him more newsworthy than whites competing, and winning, in predominately black sports? Especially when you consider how blacks are so much better athletes and everything, shouldn't it be more noteworthy when a white man wins ANYTHING in competition against a black?
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Menelik said:And that makes him more newsworthy than whites competing, and winning, in predominately black sports? Especially when you consider how blacks are so much better athletes and everything, shouldn't it be more noteworthy when a white man wins ANYTHING in competition against a black?
Spare me your mind reading talent. White Savage asked me a question and I gave him an answer. Please feel free to quote anything that I have said that can be construed as blacks being better athletes. As far as sports go I enjoy watching them but I have WAY MORE important things to worry about then whether or not the MSM is worshiping Tiger.
How about you spare ME, and all of us here, your snide remarks. In the English language, you can refer to singular or plural, and does not necessarily infer YOU, Menelik, specifically. It seems to me YOU are the one practicing 'mind reading.'
Furthermore, you DO seem overly concerned about issues that relate to the MSM and Tiger worship. YOU are the one here doing 'research,' remember?
I don't know if its your intention, but you are coming across in your posts as arrogant and condescending. And it doesn't take a mind reader to see that.
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White Shogun said:Menelik said:And that makes him more newsworthy than whites competing, and winning, in predominately black sports? Especially when you consider how blacks are so much better athletes and everything, shouldn't it be more noteworthy when a white man wins ANYTHING in competition against a black?
Spare me your mind reading talent. White Savage asked me a question and I gave him an answer. Please feel free to quote anything that I have said that can be construed as blacks being better athletes. As far as sports go I enjoy watching them but I have WAY MORE important things to worry about then whether or not the MSM is worshiping Tiger.
How about you spare ME, and all of us here, your snide remarks. In the English language, you can refer to singular or plural, and does not necessarily infer YOU, Menelik, specifically. It seems to me YOU are the one practicing 'mind reading.'
Furthermore, you DO seem overly concerned about issues that relate to the MSM and Tiger worship. YOU are the one here doing 'research,' remember?
I don't know if its your intention, but you are coming across in your posts as arrogant and condescending. And it doesn't take a mind reader to see that.
Now YOU are being disingenuous but you can think what you want to. Don't get yourself in a tizzy reading text on a screen. By the way, heres a link that you might find useful:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/medicate.cfmEdited by: Menelik
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Menelik:
Your posts are becoming overly churlish and seem to be mere attempts at one-upsmanship, in contrast to some of your earlier posts in which you discussed your research and your purpose for visiting Caste Football. If you'll notice, in the posts in which I have addressed your comments (except perhaps the last one), I have limited myself to discussing the topics at hand and did not engage in insults, such as recommending meds. I am not going to be baited into some type of back-and-forth name calling with you.
In fact, I believe you are attempting to post things here at CF which will incite ill will among the members in the hope that some of us WILL insult you and, ultimately, help you 'prove' the theory of your research. Certainly, by posting here, especially in an insulting and disparaging manner, you are negatively influencing your research and skewing the results, something I'm sure you were probably not really concerned with in the first place.
Your posts are becoming overly churlish and seem to be mere attempts at one-upsmanship, in contrast to some of your earlier posts in which you discussed your research and your purpose for visiting Caste Football. If you'll notice, in the posts in which I have addressed your comments (except perhaps the last one), I have limited myself to discussing the topics at hand and did not engage in insults, such as recommending meds. I am not going to be baited into some type of back-and-forth name calling with you.
In fact, I believe you are attempting to post things here at CF which will incite ill will among the members in the hope that some of us WILL insult you and, ultimately, help you 'prove' the theory of your research. Certainly, by posting here, especially in an insulting and disparaging manner, you are negatively influencing your research and skewing the results, something I'm sure you were probably not really concerned with in the first place.
One, it's been mentioned that his testosterone level was actually low! So in other words, his testosterone isn't high, his epitestosterone is low. I'm not a scientist, but this doesn't seem like an "earth shattering" revelation to me. Two, he was taking medications for a hip that is going to be replaced, and that could affect the test results. Three, his B Sample isn't in yet. Knowing all this, I'm going to reserve judgment for a while longer.
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White Shogun said:
So said the amazing Kreskin
Actually I have enough from this site. When I posted about Landis it was in response to JDO74 stating "Uh oh, more scandal. Any thoughts?" Right when I was reading that post I was also watching T.V. and they were talking about the failed piss test. I'm not coming on here to try to skewer my research; I'm more honest then that. Look...I'm not here trying to get into a 'virtual cat fight' but by the same token my replies have been profanity free and clean. Not that it matters though; I think that you hear only what you want to hear. You don't have to 'read' into my posts either. I have no problems in saying what I (and only I) think. After all, this is only an internet forum isn't it?
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Menelik said:
True enough, I'll give you that.
I could have done without the recommending of meds, though. My therapist says I no longer need them.
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Yes, it is. Makes one wonder how valuable the statistics and conclusions drawn from reading said forums can be, though. Unless of course your research is ABOUT internet forums, and then, well, thats a whole other topic!
Back to the topic at hand, I don't know enough about the subject to know what it means when one has a skewed ratio of epi- v regular testosterone. I've been listening to the sports radio talking heads and the people they've brought on to explain it, and it seems like this is in fact not a smoking gun. Even if the B sample shows the same ratio, of what is it indicative?
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Back to the topic at hand, I don't know enough about the subject to know what it means when one has a skewed ratio of epi- v regular testosterone. I've been listening to the sports radio talking heads and the people they've brought on to explain it, and it seems like this is in fact not a smoking gun. Even if the B sample shows the same ratio, of what is it indicative? [/QUOTE]
When I was in the army the type of piss test that we took was a mass spectrometry something or another. I believe that it looked for the effect of illicit drugs on chromosomes and it was next to impossible to beat. About the only way to beat it was to prove that the 'chain of custody' of the specimen bottle was violated. I personally know about 30 people who were kicked out for dirty urine. As far as the test that Landis had to take and how it works...rocket science to me. I did find this link that you might find useful though:
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/index.ch2
Back to the topic at hand, I don't know enough about the subject to know what it means when one has a skewed ratio of epi- v regular testosterone. I've been listening to the sports radio talking heads and the people they've brought on to explain it, and it seems like this is in fact not a smoking gun. Even if the B sample shows the same ratio, of what is it indicative? [/QUOTE]
When I was in the army the type of piss test that we took was a mass spectrometry something or another. I believe that it looked for the effect of illicit drugs on chromosomes and it was next to impossible to beat. About the only way to beat it was to prove that the 'chain of custody' of the specimen bottle was violated. I personally know about 30 people who were kicked out for dirty urine. As far as the test that Landis had to take and how it works...rocket science to me. I did find this link that you might find useful though:
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/index.ch2
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JD074 said:Except when you posted a link to porn.
You got me on that one!
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This sport is as dirty as track nothing suprises me. Lance was dirty so was Indurain, you might have to go all the way back to Mercyx to find a clean rider, even he may have been dirty too...
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This is why no modern tour winner has been clean...Retired pro: 'No one can win without doping'
'Cycling is a dirty world and it will stay that way forever'
By Andrew Hood
VeloNews European correspondent
This report filed August 3, 2006
An unnamed retired Italian sprinter insists that cycling has lost the war on doping and that no one can win major three-week races like the Giro d'Italia without resorting to banned performance-enhancing practices.
La Gazzetta dello Sport for Thursday, August 3, 2006
La Gazzetta dello Sport ran the candid interview with the ex-pro, now retired for five seasons who won "six major races" during his career at the elite level. He now works as a carpenter, but didn't want his name to be published in the story.
"Do I know a racer that wins clean? None. No one can win the Giro without doping. I don't believe it's possible," he said in La Gazzetta dello Sport. "Cycling is a dirty world and it will stay that way forever."
The interview came in Italy's largest sports daily as cycling tries to come with the grips of a string of doping scandals that threaten to derail the legitimacy of the sport.
Tour de France winner Floyd Landis' pending counter-analysis for unusual levels of testosterone and the ongoing "Operación Puerto" doping investigation in Spain have shed new light on the fight against doping in cycling.
According to cycling's newest "Deep Throat," doping is entrenched at the highest levels of the sport.
"When you arrive at a team, they tell you, 'The thing is like this, this is the reality. If you want to race, you'll need help," he said. "I didn't need a trainer. The team got me everything I needed."
The interview was similar to a series of stories with Jesús Manzano, an ex-pro who gave lengthy interviews with the Spanish daily AS two years ago. Manzano put his name and face with the reports, but received payment for the interviews.
The Gazzetta interview with the ex-sprinter outlined his doping program, using EPO, human growth hormones and testosterone capsules.
"I took EPO every three days for a month and (human growth hormones) every two days to increase my muscular mass. I also took capsules of testosterone, that way I could train longer and better," he described. "For EPO, I used injections for insulin with the minimum doses and I introduced it myself subcutaneous. I did the shots myself. If I had to do the bad things, I preferred to do them to myself. I also took vitamins, sugar and Creatine intravenously."
The ex-pro refused to blame the teams and the cycling culture in general and said the blame lies with the racers themselves.
"Riders dope themselves to have less fatigue, but also to win. You can ride 70,000km a year and win nothing. If you ride with just 'bread and water,' you can maintain your form just one or two months at maximum," he said... Not news to me as I used to do this sport at the low amateur levels and it was tough just racing on weekends.......
'Cycling is a dirty world and it will stay that way forever'
By Andrew Hood
VeloNews European correspondent
This report filed August 3, 2006
An unnamed retired Italian sprinter insists that cycling has lost the war on doping and that no one can win major three-week races like the Giro d'Italia without resorting to banned performance-enhancing practices.
La Gazzetta dello Sport for Thursday, August 3, 2006
La Gazzetta dello Sport ran the candid interview with the ex-pro, now retired for five seasons who won "six major races" during his career at the elite level. He now works as a carpenter, but didn't want his name to be published in the story.
"Do I know a racer that wins clean? None. No one can win the Giro without doping. I don't believe it's possible," he said in La Gazzetta dello Sport. "Cycling is a dirty world and it will stay that way forever."
The interview came in Italy's largest sports daily as cycling tries to come with the grips of a string of doping scandals that threaten to derail the legitimacy of the sport.
Tour de France winner Floyd Landis' pending counter-analysis for unusual levels of testosterone and the ongoing "Operación Puerto" doping investigation in Spain have shed new light on the fight against doping in cycling.
According to cycling's newest "Deep Throat," doping is entrenched at the highest levels of the sport.
"When you arrive at a team, they tell you, 'The thing is like this, this is the reality. If you want to race, you'll need help," he said. "I didn't need a trainer. The team got me everything I needed."
The interview was similar to a series of stories with Jesús Manzano, an ex-pro who gave lengthy interviews with the Spanish daily AS two years ago. Manzano put his name and face with the reports, but received payment for the interviews.
The Gazzetta interview with the ex-sprinter outlined his doping program, using EPO, human growth hormones and testosterone capsules.
"I took EPO every three days for a month and (human growth hormones) every two days to increase my muscular mass. I also took capsules of testosterone, that way I could train longer and better," he described. "For EPO, I used injections for insulin with the minimum doses and I introduced it myself subcutaneous. I did the shots myself. If I had to do the bad things, I preferred to do them to myself. I also took vitamins, sugar and Creatine intravenously."
The ex-pro refused to blame the teams and the cycling culture in general and said the blame lies with the racers themselves.
"Riders dope themselves to have less fatigue, but also to win. You can ride 70,000km a year and win nothing. If you ride with just 'bread and water,' you can maintain your form just one or two months at maximum," he said... Not news to me as I used to do this sport at the low amateur levels and it was tough just racing on weekends.......