DixieDestroyer
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Fyi, information on tax day tea parties across the U.S., protesting the un-Constitutional income tax and massive Fed spending!
April 15th Tea Parties
April 15th Tea Parties
Tea Parties on April 15th
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Bump. I encourage each of you guys at CF to participate in the tea parties going down on April 15th. Just remember this whole thing started from some guy railing against the bailouts on CNBC and mentioning "tea party' over the air. Now this thing has snowballed and lets see how big this thing gets. Fox news will be covering this extensively as the lugit news event it is, MSNBC and CNN are not covering it at all(as of now).
The Hock
Master
There'll be one my town's city plaza, so we can see all the bums and freeloaders that hang out there and watch our tax dollars at work while we protest.
There are rumors about media and liberal website infiltrators showing up at these tea parties to foment trouble and catch some of the more loose-lipped protestors in some kind of gaffe that mars the whole movement. So if you show up to one of these things, be a little wary. I am going and expect a big turnout.
The Hock
Master
Thanks for the heads up, guest301. I would describe myself as a nice guy with a bad temper, so I'll have to be alert to any button pushing tactics.
I don't want to rain of people's parade - OK, yes I do, but I see the Tea Parties as the best way for "them" to control decent - by leadind it. The Neocon speaker of the day at this event is wacko neocon Alan Keyes. This is just a method to take the charge and polarize the horrible economic policies of both parties to a Democrat vs. Republican harmless bitch session. This article pretty much captures how I feel:
Tea-party charade
If truth were part of this tea-party it would be held at Federal Reserve buildings and of course they are not. Edited by: Kaptain Poop
Tea-party charade
If truth were part of this tea-party it would be held at Federal Reserve buildings and of course they are not. Edited by: Kaptain Poop
One step at a time Kaptain Poop. This is not a party loyalty type event, it's truly a grass roots uprising among the people against the bailout, out of control spending,the deficit and high taxes. Lets not get watered down on all our personal litmus tests. There are a few things I would change too but Alan Keyes is not one of them, I have always liked that guy for the most part and this country could use alot more thoughtful blacks just like him. I agree with you about the protests should be held at the Federal Reserve buildings, maybe next year the movement will become sophisticated enough to target such places for protests and marches, right now the movement is in it's infancy, let's respect it for what it is.
15 years ago I was doing this stuff on April 15 at the local Post office with the Libertarian Party. Sad that 15 more years had to pass before some more people got on the bandwagon. Better late then never though.
Are these protests at Post Offices?? Those were the best places, lines of people filing their taxes at the last minute, all very sympathetic to the cause.
Are these protests at Post Offices?? Those were the best places, lines of people filing their taxes at the last minute, all very sympathetic to the cause.
jaxvid said:
The one I am going to later on this afternoon is being held downtown on the county square. I know the one in San Antonio is being held at the Alamo and I have heard about a few others being held near sports arenas, convention centers and the usual places protests are held.
It's wonderful that rightwingers are making noise all around America through the Tea Party tax protests. We must remember, however, that this April 15<SUP>th</SUP> we are still suffering the burden of Bush's leviathan government. We are filing for 2008, the last year of Republican rule. We are still and will long be enduring the cost of Bush's wars, spending and bailouts. We should be wary of letting the Republican establishment co-opt the grassroots, anti-government spirit of these protests and turn them into a platform to shill for GOP statism.
For eight years, Republican protest of income taxation was scant. Some conservatives complained quietly about Bush's domestic welfare spending, but all in all they were apologists for the regime we are still paying for. They certainly did not talk about the state as their enemy, as many of them do today. The quickness of their transition to opposition rhetoric has been staggering.
"Tyranny vs. liberty," "the collective vs. the individual," "the state vs. you" - this is suddenly the language of the conservative movement. Well, that is not quite right: The conservatives have still maintained their excitement about national greatness and war.
The contradiction is a wonder to behold. In one breath, they talk about the fundamental violations of natural rights and constitutional law that modern American statism represents. In the next breath, they decry the president for being insufficiently enthusiastic about American imperialism and the national security state. He is too soft on foreigners and not proud enough of the history of the US war machine - this is still a key rightwing criticism of Obama, right alongside the contradictory claim that Obama puts love of the national government ahead of individual rights.
Conservatives seem to define tyranny as losing to the Democrats. . .
full article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory185.html
For eight years, Republican protest of income taxation was scant. Some conservatives complained quietly about Bush's domestic welfare spending, but all in all they were apologists for the regime we are still paying for. They certainly did not talk about the state as their enemy, as many of them do today. The quickness of their transition to opposition rhetoric has been staggering.
"Tyranny vs. liberty," "the collective vs. the individual," "the state vs. you" - this is suddenly the language of the conservative movement. Well, that is not quite right: The conservatives have still maintained their excitement about national greatness and war.
The contradiction is a wonder to behold. In one breath, they talk about the fundamental violations of natural rights and constitutional law that modern American statism represents. In the next breath, they decry the president for being insufficiently enthusiastic about American imperialism and the national security state. He is too soft on foreigners and not proud enough of the history of the US war machine - this is still a key rightwing criticism of Obama, right alongside the contradictory claim that Obama puts love of the national government ahead of individual rights.
Conservatives seem to define tyranny as losing to the Democrats. . .
full article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory185.html
Colonel_Reb
Hall of Famer
An early morning injury took the Colonel out of the Tea Party picture today, but I must admit my enthusiasm for it was waning anyway, after hearing that Keyes was speaking in D.C.
More on the co-opt effort can be read about in this blog by James Edwards.
<a href="http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2009/04/09/alan-keyes-to-speak-at-washington-dc-tea-party/" target="_blank">
</a><a href="http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2009/04/09/alan-keyes-to-speak-at-washington-dc-tea-party/" target="_blank">
http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2009/04/09/ alan-keyes-to-speak-at-washington-dc-tea-party/ </a>
They always have to get multicultural on us, even when something half decent comes along.
More on the co-opt effort can be read about in this blog by James Edwards.
<a href="http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2009/04/09/alan-keyes-to-speak-at-washington-dc-tea-party/" target="_blank">
</a><a href="http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2009/04/09/alan-keyes-to-speak-at-washington-dc-tea-party/" target="_blank">
http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2009/04/09/ alan-keyes-to-speak-at-washington-dc-tea-party/ </a>
They always have to get multicultural on us, even when something half decent comes along.
Tom Iron
Mentor
Gentlemen,
I went to one on a boardwalk in a hard cold rain and there were a thousand people. After we marched, people wouldn't disperse. The cops didn't know what to do. all those people stayed out there for over two hours in the pouring cold rain. The participants ran the gamit from Gun people to anti socialists, to anti tax people, etc. I'm really surprised. I thought there'd be about four people on a day like today.
People have had it up to their eyeballs with all the baloney. The usual suspects better tread lightly if thety know what's good for them.
Tom Iron...
I went to one on a boardwalk in a hard cold rain and there were a thousand people. After we marched, people wouldn't disperse. The cops didn't know what to do. all those people stayed out there for over two hours in the pouring cold rain. The participants ran the gamit from Gun people to anti socialists, to anti tax people, etc. I'm really surprised. I thought there'd be about four people on a day like today.
People have had it up to their eyeballs with all the baloney. The usual suspects better tread lightly if thety know what's good for them.
Tom Iron...
Don Wassall said:
Very excellent article! I asked one of my republican friends today where was the outrage at government spending during the Bush years. It was the first time since I've known him, 23 years, that he actually started stuttering while trying to explain.
Boy, this has been some Tea Party!!! So glad to see so many people show up and voice out their concerns. The Republicans and Democrats are a bunch of idiots!!! No difference between the two. What we need is a 3rd party to rise up against them. Hurray for the folks!!!
Edited by: j41181
I went to two of them today in Vegas. There were several of them in different locations, lasting over 12 hours all told. The second one I attended had hundreds and hundreds of folks, probably well over a thousand during the time it lasted as people were constantly coming and going. Very impressive. And most people driving by at a very busy intersection honked in support, gave thumbs up gestures, etc. Even if it's been co-opted to a certain degree by the usual charlatans, it was a massive national grassroots outpouring of discontent with the monstrosity in Washington.
The Hock
Master
About five hundred at the one in my town.
There were about 3 to 4 thousand at the tea party I was at. The weather was damp, cold and very muddy but it didn't seem to damp anybody's enthusiasm or affect turnout. There were alot of funny signs in the crowd, my favorite was "you can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out". There was a very funny one I saw on Fox News last night which showed a poster of Obama dressed like Urkel with the Urkel glasses and the poster said "did I do that".
Freethinker
Hall of Famer
CNN reporter putting out propaganda about a Tea Party gets put in her place.
Alamo & Cali ProtestsEdited by: Freethinker
Alamo & Cali ProtestsEdited by: Freethinker
Jimmy Chitwood
Hall of Famer
gentlemen, i received this email today from a fellow fan of liberty.
while there are certainly issues that i have with some people who've become involved in the movement, there is legitimate outrage concernig what our federal government has become.
it's also equally obvious that the mainstream media is doing everything in there power to quell the grassroots fire that is beginning to spread across our nation, even if they have to resort to juvenile, completely un-professional, derogatory insults.
it is important that White people, and have no doubt that the people involved in this are White as there's not a negro or mexican anywhere to be seen at these rallies, stand up and take action.
White folks must fight for our country with our votes and voices, or soon we will literally be fighting for our survival ... with our guns, our wits, and whatever else we have at hand.
while there are certainly issues that i have with some people who've become involved in the movement, there is legitimate outrage concernig what our federal government has become.
it's also equally obvious that the mainstream media is doing everything in there power to quell the grassroots fire that is beginning to spread across our nation, even if they have to resort to juvenile, completely un-professional, derogatory insults.
it is important that White people, and have no doubt that the people involved in this are White as there's not a negro or mexican anywhere to be seen at these rallies, stand up and take action.
White folks must fight for our country with our votes and voices, or soon we will literally be fighting for our survival ... with our guns, our wits, and whatever else we have at hand.
I'm not an Ann Coulter fan, but this is a very good piece:
OBAMA'S RECIPE FOR CHANGE NOT MY CUP OF TEA
I had no idea how important this week's nationwide anti-tax tea parties were until hearing liberals denounce them with such ferocity. The New York Times' Paul Krugman wrote a column attacking the tea parties, apologizing for making fun of "crazy people." It's OK, Paul, you're allowed to do that for the same reason Jews can make fun of Jews.
On MSNBC, hosts Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have been tittering over the similarity of the name "tea parties" to an obscure homosexual sexual practice known as "tea bagging." Night after night, they sneer at Republicans for being so stupid as to call their rallies "tea bagging."
Every host on Air America and every unbathed, basement-dwelling loser on the left wing blogosphere has spent the last week making jokes about tea bagging, a practice they show a surprising degree of familiarity with.
Except no one is calling the tea parties "tea bagging" -- except Olbermann and Maddow. Republicans call them "tea parties."
But if the Republicans were calling them "tea-bagging parties," the MSNBC hosts would have a fantastically hilarious segment for viewers in San Francisco and the West Village and not anyplace else in the rest of the country. On the other hand, they're not called "tea-bagging parties." (That, of course refers to the wienertail hour at Barney Frank's condo in Georgetown.)
You know what else would be hilarious? It would be hilarious if Hillary Clinton's name were "Ima Douche." Unfortunately, it's not. It was just a dream. Most people would wake up, realize it was just a dream and scrap the joke. Not MSNBC hosts.
The point of the tea parties is to note the fact that the Democrats' modus operandi is to lead voters to believe they are no more likely to raise taxes than Republicans, get elected and immediately raise taxes.
Apparently, the people who actually pay taxes consider this a bad idea.
Obama's biggest shortcoming is that he believes the things believed by all Democrats, which have had devastating consequences every time they are put into effect. Among these is the Democrats' admiration for raising taxes on the productive.
All Democrats for the last 30 years have tried to stimulate the economy by giving "tax cuts" to people who don't pay taxes. Evidently, offering to expand welfare payments isn't a big vote-getter.
Even Bush had a "stimulus" bill that sent government checks to lots of people last year. Guess what happened? It didn't stimulate the economy. Obama's stimulus bill is the mother of all pork bills for friends of O and of Congressional Democrats. ("O" stands for Obama, not Oprah, but there's probably a lot of overlap.)
And all that government spending on the Democrats' constituents will be paid for by raising taxes on the productive.
Raise taxes and the productive will work less, adopt tax shelters, barter instead of sell, turn to an underground economy -- and the government will get less money.
The perfect bar bet with a liberal would be to wager that massive government deficits in the '80s were not caused by Reagan's tax cuts. If you casually mentioned that you thought Reagan's tax cuts brought in more revenue to the government -- which they did -- you could get odds in Hollywood and Manhattan. (This became a less attractive wager in New York this week after Gov. David Paterson announced his new plan to tax bar bets.)
The lie at the heart of liberals' mantra on taxes -- "tax increases only for the rich" -- is the ineluctable fact that unless taxes are raised across the board, the government won't get its money to fund layers and layers of useless government bureaucrats, none of whom can possibly be laid off.
How much would you have to raise taxes before any of Obama's constituents noticed? They don't pay taxes, they engage in "tax-reduction" strategies, they work for the government, or they're too rich to care. (Or they have off-shore tax shelters, like George Soros.)
California tried the Obama soak-the-productive "stimulus" plan years ago and was hailed as the perfect exemplar of Democratic governance.
In June 2002, the liberal American Prospect magazine called California a "laboratory" for Democratic policies, noting that "California is the only one of the nation's 10 largest states that is uniformly under Democratic control."
They said this, mind you, as if it were a good thing. In California, the article proclaimed, "the next new deal is in tryouts." As they say in show biz: "Thanks, we'll call you. Next!"
In just a few years, Democrats had turned California into a state -- or as it's now known, a "job-free zone" -- with a $41 billion deficit, a credit rating that was slashed to junk-bond status and a middle class now located in Arizona.
Democrats governed California the way Democrats always govern. They bought the votes of government workers with taxpayer-funded jobs, salaries and benefits -- and then turned around and accused the productive class of "greed" for wanting not to have their taxes raised through the roof.
Having run out of things to tax, now the California legislature is considering a tax on taxes. Seriously. The only way out now for California is a tax on Botox and steroids. Sure, the governor will protest, but it is the best solution ...
California was, in fact, a laboratory of Democratic policies. The rabbit died, so now Obama is trying it on a national level.
That's what the tea parties are about.
http://www.anncoulter.com/
OBAMA'S RECIPE FOR CHANGE NOT MY CUP OF TEA
I had no idea how important this week's nationwide anti-tax tea parties were until hearing liberals denounce them with such ferocity. The New York Times' Paul Krugman wrote a column attacking the tea parties, apologizing for making fun of "crazy people." It's OK, Paul, you're allowed to do that for the same reason Jews can make fun of Jews.
On MSNBC, hosts Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have been tittering over the similarity of the name "tea parties" to an obscure homosexual sexual practice known as "tea bagging." Night after night, they sneer at Republicans for being so stupid as to call their rallies "tea bagging."
Every host on Air America and every unbathed, basement-dwelling loser on the left wing blogosphere has spent the last week making jokes about tea bagging, a practice they show a surprising degree of familiarity with.
Except no one is calling the tea parties "tea bagging" -- except Olbermann and Maddow. Republicans call them "tea parties."
But if the Republicans were calling them "tea-bagging parties," the MSNBC hosts would have a fantastically hilarious segment for viewers in San Francisco and the West Village and not anyplace else in the rest of the country. On the other hand, they're not called "tea-bagging parties." (That, of course refers to the wienertail hour at Barney Frank's condo in Georgetown.)
You know what else would be hilarious? It would be hilarious if Hillary Clinton's name were "Ima Douche." Unfortunately, it's not. It was just a dream. Most people would wake up, realize it was just a dream and scrap the joke. Not MSNBC hosts.
The point of the tea parties is to note the fact that the Democrats' modus operandi is to lead voters to believe they are no more likely to raise taxes than Republicans, get elected and immediately raise taxes.
Apparently, the people who actually pay taxes consider this a bad idea.
Obama's biggest shortcoming is that he believes the things believed by all Democrats, which have had devastating consequences every time they are put into effect. Among these is the Democrats' admiration for raising taxes on the productive.
All Democrats for the last 30 years have tried to stimulate the economy by giving "tax cuts" to people who don't pay taxes. Evidently, offering to expand welfare payments isn't a big vote-getter.
Even Bush had a "stimulus" bill that sent government checks to lots of people last year. Guess what happened? It didn't stimulate the economy. Obama's stimulus bill is the mother of all pork bills for friends of O and of Congressional Democrats. ("O" stands for Obama, not Oprah, but there's probably a lot of overlap.)
And all that government spending on the Democrats' constituents will be paid for by raising taxes on the productive.
Raise taxes and the productive will work less, adopt tax shelters, barter instead of sell, turn to an underground economy -- and the government will get less money.
The perfect bar bet with a liberal would be to wager that massive government deficits in the '80s were not caused by Reagan's tax cuts. If you casually mentioned that you thought Reagan's tax cuts brought in more revenue to the government -- which they did -- you could get odds in Hollywood and Manhattan. (This became a less attractive wager in New York this week after Gov. David Paterson announced his new plan to tax bar bets.)
The lie at the heart of liberals' mantra on taxes -- "tax increases only for the rich" -- is the ineluctable fact that unless taxes are raised across the board, the government won't get its money to fund layers and layers of useless government bureaucrats, none of whom can possibly be laid off.
How much would you have to raise taxes before any of Obama's constituents noticed? They don't pay taxes, they engage in "tax-reduction" strategies, they work for the government, or they're too rich to care. (Or they have off-shore tax shelters, like George Soros.)
California tried the Obama soak-the-productive "stimulus" plan years ago and was hailed as the perfect exemplar of Democratic governance.
In June 2002, the liberal American Prospect magazine called California a "laboratory" for Democratic policies, noting that "California is the only one of the nation's 10 largest states that is uniformly under Democratic control."
They said this, mind you, as if it were a good thing. In California, the article proclaimed, "the next new deal is in tryouts." As they say in show biz: "Thanks, we'll call you. Next!"
In just a few years, Democrats had turned California into a state -- or as it's now known, a "job-free zone" -- with a $41 billion deficit, a credit rating that was slashed to junk-bond status and a middle class now located in Arizona.
Democrats governed California the way Democrats always govern. They bought the votes of government workers with taxpayer-funded jobs, salaries and benefits -- and then turned around and accused the productive class of "greed" for wanting not to have their taxes raised through the roof.
Having run out of things to tax, now the California legislature is considering a tax on taxes. Seriously. The only way out now for California is a tax on Botox and steroids. Sure, the governor will protest, but it is the best solution ...
California was, in fact, a laboratory of Democratic policies. The rabbit died, so now Obama is trying it on a national level.
That's what the tea parties are about.
http://www.anncoulter.com/