Now this I certainly agree on, the NFL definitely, and should be 70-80% white if things were truly "fair."P-NutLane said:Ill say 80% for Football, how about my brothers?
Jimmy Chitwood said:as i documented in the Arkansas High School post on the front page of Caste Football (and in also the thread), out of 6 possible football State Champions, 5 of the championship teams were all-white. that is 83%.
i'm speculating here, but i would suspect that at the high school level across the country a similar percentage plays itself out. it is very likely that 83% of the nation's various state champion football teams are all-white.
so, if at the high school level where white kids are given a more fair chance at competing with blacks, we see that the white kids/teams dominate (despite possible disadvantages to later physical maturity as has been suggested), why then would the numbers alter in favor of black athletes at higher levels of football?
seems to me, facts beat fictions. and if someone has contrary evidence, i'd love to see it. other than the Caste System, i can't think of a legitimate reason why whites wouldn't make up a similar percentage in both college and professional football.
Jimmy Chitwood said:so, if at the high school level where white kids are given a more fair chance at competing with blacks, we see that the white kids/teams dominate (despite possible disadvantages to later physical maturity as has been suggested), why then would the numbers alter in favor of black athletes at higher levels of football?
seems to me, facts beat fictions. and if someone has contrary evidence, i'd love to see it. other than the Caste System, i can't think of a legitimate reason why whites wouldn't make up a similar percentage in both college and professional football.
ToughJ.Riggins said:Solid point; but isn't Arkansas a pretty white state overall; especially for the south. I think that in lots of states the best football teams are majority white with a few blacks mixed in here and there too. The H.S near me is like that and their best year recently they still started a dominant white HB who is now playing LB unfortunately in the FBS.
And I understand this argument is used by our opponents a lot, including one of my friends whose definitely a caste whore; but it does have some merit sometimes. The poor urban neighborhood schools sometimes aren't well coached, at least as far as play calling. However, I'd have to agree that that doesn't explain the top majority black teams that are certainly well coached getting beat by a team like South-lake Carroll in Texas that in fact has all those "white speed demons". Or Booker T. Washington (in Florida isn't it?) getting beat by top nationally ranked vast majority white teams certain years.
In our 66% white country I would find a 70% white NFL pretty fair and to my liking. A 80% white NFL would seem to cut down on some of the racial comparisons and racial competition if you ask me. The fans would start to say; "well maybe white players are getting favored again and aren't that good", if there were indeed few blacks to compare them to. In an only 66% white country now a 65-70% white NFL sounds pretty fair to me; and I think that's close to what it was in the first few Super Bowls.
The thing that's most important is to end the ban of whites at certain positions (even if we could get 3 or 4 starting white NFL RBs or CBs, they'd have to be freakish to break through the system, it would change things dramatically) b/c then when we perform the caste system will be exposed and the league will start to whiten a bit at other positions too IMO. The tight hipped/ overachiever Tom Luginbill type propaganda will start to fade.
Colonel_Reb said:Great thread JC! To help put this info into perspective, your readers should know that about 68% of the overall student population (not just public high schools) of Arkansas in 2006-2007 was white. The rest were 23% black, 8% mexican, 1% asian, and less than 1% native American.
[url]http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/ar/district_profile/69#s tudents[/url]
Colonel_Reb said:A couple of years before that data was collected, I remember that Arkansas public high schools were roughly 55% white and 45% black. The mexican population, like that of several Southern states, has increased dramatically over the last few years.
ToughJ.Riggins said:Again I admit I should probably look this stuff up before making a guess. But I had heard a couple times in conversations that Arkansas was fairly white, but now that I recall I think the people who said it were comparing it to other southern states in that area.