http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2740972
Good job, I figured someone would reward him, the Lions will be happy with this.
Good job, I figured someone would reward him, the Lions will be happy with this.
jaxvid said:Now for the ultimate copy cat league to draft and play a bunch of quick, small, sure handed white guys in the slot. (Mike Hass anybody?)
White Shogun said:I was going to make a funny comment in support of Jax's post about Mike Haas, but now I guess I'll just have to ask Freedom:
Reche Caldwell or Mike Haas?
Caldwell have enough affleticism for you?
Patriots with Caldwell? Watching the Super Bowl.
Patriots with Hass? Playing in the Super Bowl.
Oh, and that guy Dallas Clark? He's a real speedster! Him and Jerry Rice, those two guys set the grass on fire and leave a smoke trail when they run down the field!
jaxvid said:and then I thought, if he was white and he dropped it he would've been benched, cut, villified, maybe assasinated.
Bart said:jaxvid said: and then I thought, if he was white and he dropped it he would've been benched, cut, villified, maybe assasinated.ÂÂ
You got that right! He would have been singled out for losing the game and would have been compared to Bill Buckner.
 Caldwell could have skipped into the end zone.  At worst they would have had 4 downs near the goal line. They walked away with 3,  but should have had 7.
White Shogun said:Posted: 24 January 2007 at 10:18pm | IP Logged
Caldwell also dropped another pass when he was wide open in the endzone. The pass hit him in the cradle and he dropped that one, too. I don't remember if the Pats had to settle for a field goal after that or not.
You can't really blame the Pats loss on Caldwell, or any one player, but those drops definitely had a huge impact on the game.
White Shogun said:Did you bother reading the rest of the thread before you wrote that post, Sandwich?
White Shogun said:Posted: 24 January 2007 at 10:18pm | IP Logged
Caldwell also dropped another pass when he was wide open in the endzone. The pass hit him in the cradle and he dropped that one, too. I don't remember if the Pats had to settle for a field goal after that or not.
You can't really blame the Pats loss on Caldwell, or any one player, but those drops definitely had a huge impact on the game.
If you think those dropped passes didn't have an impact on the outcome of that game, I don't know what to tell you. Did you even watch it?
Sandwhich said:White Shogun said:Did you bother reading the rest of the thread before you wrote that post, Sandwich?
White Shogun said:Posted: 24 January 2007 at 10:18pm | IP Logged
Caldwell also dropped another pass when he was wide open in the endzone. The pass hit him in the cradle and he dropped that one, too. I don't remember if the Pats had to settle for a field goal after that or not.
You can't really blame the Pats loss on Caldwell, or any one player, but those drops definitely had a huge impact on the game.
If you think those dropped passes didn't have an impact on the outcome of that game, I don't know what to tell you. Did you even watch it?
According to the post, Hass would have been able to be a starting reciever and play better than Caldwell did. You can't say that he wouldn't have dropped those passes either. He is a rookie afterall.
Are you sticking up for Caldwell's performance or using this thread as an excuse to bash Furrey and Haas? Do you think Caldwell's dropped passes effected the outcome of the game or not?
Obviously no one can predict 100% how a given player will respond in a given situation. The logical thing to do is explore a player's track record and assess his performance during big games.
Haas was the Biletnikoff award winner, leading the NCAA in a number of receiving categories. He played well in big games, and according to press reports he had an outstanding camp.
Caldwell was cut from the San Diego Chargers, a team that is just oozing talent at wide receiver /sarcasm.
Based on what I saw of Haas in college and read about him in scouting reports, in comparison to what I've seen of Caldwell on the field, I don't think it is much of a stretch to believe that Haas is a much better receiver than Caldwell.
As far as rookies and their performance on the field, ever heard of Marques Colston? Wasn't Reggie Bush a rookie this year? Their rookie status didn't keep them from getting all the accolades from the media and fans, did it? Bush was a star before he ever hit the field as a Saint. If Haas was black, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. He'd have played in the NFC Championship for the New Orleans Saints.
You say that college stats mean nothing, but use Bush's track record in college in support of his status as an elite player. Why doesn't Haas get credit for his performance in the same way?
You cited a few examples of players who performed well in college but did not make it in the pros. The difference is those guys got a shot at playing; Haas and others like him did not. In addition, even when a white skill player performs well in the pros, he is often demoted or cut. (Cf. Brock Forsey)
And thanks for using only white college players as examples to prove your point that college success does not necessarily equal success in the pros. That's never happened to a black player. Or did you assume that I would only know about white college players?
And speaking of Jason White, how does a guy like Tarvarius Jackson land a job as a starting quarterback in the NFL, but Jason White doesn't even get drafted? How does Tarvarius start at quarterback in the NFL over a guy he couldn't beat out in college, Matt Jones? Why does Jones have to make the switch to receiver but Tarvarius doesn't?
How do you know Haas isn't better than Caldwell? On what are you basing your opinion? You said if Haas is better than Caldwell, he wouldn't have been dumped by the Saints. Make your argument with Colston, maybe you have something. Caldwell? Haas didn't get the opportunity to play for the Patriots, did he? If he did, I say he makes those catches in the AFC Championship game. I am basing my opinion on what I've seen of him on the field.
On what are you basing your low opinion of him? Solely that he was cut by the Saints? Is your opinion colored by his lack of color? Be honest.
Sandwich said:The fact he was a 6th round pick who was cut and then signed to a practice squad. And I am white, if you were wondering.
devans said:It was good while it lasted, but I think the writing is on the wall for Mike. The following is from the Lions website
"When it came down to it, the Lions didn't even use all 15 minutes before naming Johnson as their first-round selection. "What we were looking for was to help our football team the best way we could - that was the bottom line," said Millen. "If what we were looking for would have helped us become a better team with X extra picks or even another player, yeah we would have done that. But it didn't, and that's fine because it's a high price. It would have to be a high price to equal the talent and the intangibles that this guy brings to us."
What makes Johnson such a special talent is that - at 6-4 and 237 pounds - he has the explosiveness, speed, separation and body control of a smaller receiver.
Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz also puts current Lions receiver Roy Williams into that category of rare players, meaning that adding Johnson will allow the Lions to have two players with that unique skill set on the field at the same time."