2005 NFL Draft
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The last team to start 4 white DB's was the St.Louis Cardinals around 1980. Roger Wehrli, Lee Nelson,and Kevin Greene were three of them. I have a mental block on the other name. I remember listening to KMOX radio's footballtalk show. Black (and white)fans called in to criticize the Cardinals for this. They did appreciate Wehrli as a good DB, but felt he should be shifted off the corner to safety.
Charlie Waters and Cliff Harris were the best safety tandem in the 70's.Multiple All-Pro and Pro Bowls between them as well as five Super Bowl apperances and two championships.Big game players and it's an absolute crime that Cliff Harris is not in the Hall of Fame.It's Cowboy envy.
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Dan Cody ran the 40 twice for a time of 4.75 and 4.76 .
Vertical 33 inches, 10 foot 1 long jump, a 4.56 in the
short shuttle and a 7.09 in the cone drill.
Vertical 33 inches, 10 foot 1 long jump, a 4.56 in the
short shuttle and a 7.09 in the cone drill.
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Dan Cody is a beast and will be a pro-bowler at the
next level.His motor is always running.What a player!
Thanks for posting his stats from the pro-day.
next level.His motor is always running.What a player!
Thanks for posting his stats from the pro-day.
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Jordan Beck did his pro day workouts today and all
everyone can say is WWWOOOOOWWW!!!He ran his 40 in
times of 4.45 and 4.46 on grass.Then he knocked off
a 42 inch vertical.This kid can run and jump just like
Matt Jones.He is around 6'2 1/2 and 233lbs.He could
either stay at linebacker or possibly move to safety.
Heck,they could play him on offense and defense with
his athletic ability.Eye popping numbers.Maybe some of
the times these guys are posting will shut up the stupid
ignorant media!Great job Beck!
everyone can say is WWWOOOOOWWW!!!He ran his 40 in
times of 4.45 and 4.46 on grass.Then he knocked off
a 42 inch vertical.This kid can run and jump just like
Matt Jones.He is around 6'2 1/2 and 233lbs.He could
either stay at linebacker or possibly move to safety.
Heck,they could play him on offense and defense with
his athletic ability.Eye popping numbers.Maybe some of
the times these guys are posting will shut up the stupid
ignorant media!Great job Beck!
Kiper has moved Barrett Ruud, a linebacker from Nebraska, into the first round of his latest mock draft.He has Ruud being taken by New England as the final pick of the round. However, Matt Roth is now nowhere to be found. Here is Mel Kiper's projected first round:
1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws. The Niners likely won't get a good enough deal to move down because there is not a particular player creating a buzz as the surefire No. 1 prospect, but getting Smith would be a good start toward revamping a struggling offense.
2. Miami Dolphins: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Brown is the top running back available after his outstanding combine workout. He showed impressive speed for a 230-pounder, he can catch the ball out of the backfield and also has excellent instincts and quickness, something new Dolphins coach Nick Saban knows all about having coached against Brown in the SEC while at LSU.
3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he put height questions to rest at the combine. Rodgers is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.
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4. Chicago Bears: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
The Bears addressed their need for a big-time wideout with the free agent signing of Muhsin Muhammad and Benson would give quarterback Rex Grossman two topflight weapons to help out on offense. Benson is a tough, productive runner who can go the distance and always showed up in his team's biggest games.
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years, and Tampa coach Jon Gruden is very familiar with him after coaching Williams in the Senior Bowl.
6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones (jr.), CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs. Jones also fills a major need after hits in free agency.
7. Minnesota Vikings (from OAK): Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards' size, strength, speed and overall athleticism would go a long way toward filling the void left by the trade of Randy Moss, which is how the Vikings acquired the selection in the first place. Minnesota also has needs on defense but can address them later in the first round.
8. Arizona Cardinals: Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
The best pure linebacker in the draft, Johnson has sideline-to-sideline speed and is always around the ball. His consistency would be welcome on a defense looking for playmakers.
9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams has the size and strength to dominate corners with his 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame. He must answer questions about his speed, but beyond that his hands, body control and natural receiving skills make him a very attractive package for a team that needs to help quarterback Patrick Ramsey.
10. Detroit Lions: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
The Lions need their front seven to get more pressure on the quarterback and Cody would help with his fiery attitude and relentless motor. He stepped up in big games and was one of the most consistent performers on a defense full of stars.
11. <A href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal" target="_blank">Dallas Cowboys:</A> Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior with incredible physical skills, Merriman would be an ideal end/linebacker combo in a 3-4 scheme. He fits the mold of Patriots linebacker Willie McGinest, who was the first draft pick of Cowboys coach Bill Parcells when Parcells began his tenure in New England.
12. San Diego Chargers: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
The Chargers need more playmakers on the front seven and Spears would be a good option for providing pressure along the defensive front. He boosted his stock immensely with a great week of work at the Senior Bowl.
13. Houston Texans: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
Texans quarterback David Carr is improving but needs more protection, making the versatile Barron an ideal fit. He is very strong in the lower body and has quick feet in pass protection.
14. Carolina Panthers: Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
Williamson showed great speed at the combine and would be a nice option for a team that lost Muhsin Muhammad in free agency. Williamson did not play in a passing offense in college but has the speed all teams are looking for.
15. Kansas City Chiefs: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
The Chiefs likely will dedicate most of their draft to defense, and Rogers is a good place to start. He was Auburn's best defensive player last season, Rogers can support the run or excel in pass coverage and has plenty of experience against top-shelf collegiate competition.
16. New Orleans Saints: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
Brown is equally adept in pass and run blocking, using his quick feet and long arms to move defensive linemen away from the action.
17. Cincinnati Bengals: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Johnson has the size and strength to be a force up front. He raised his stock throughout the 2004 season and would give the Bengals some beef along the defensive front.
18. Minnesota Vikings: Fabian Washington (jr.), CB, Nebraska
Washington was the talk of the combine after running the 40 in 4.28 seconds, and his speed and athleticism are just what the Vikings need in a secondary that struggled against top wideouts and quarterbacks last season.
19. <A href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=stl" target="_blank">St. Louis Rams:</A> David Pollack, DE, Georgia
Pollack plays with tremendous intensity and his motor does not stop. He makes up for a lack of size with good initial quickness and great closing speed, but his 40 time at the combine was a bit disappointing and he will have to show more speed during his individual workout.
20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Roddy White, WR, UAB
Averaged 20 yards per catch during his senior season and was very good at both the Senior Bowl and the combine. The acquisition of quarterback Drew Bledsoe means the Cowboys will have to find him some help in the passing game.
21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
The Jags are thin in the secondary and need a player with Rolle's speed and toughness, a player who can be solid in coverage and also a force in run support.
22. Baltimore Ravens: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
James is an outstanding pass rusher who also plays the run very well thanks to his strength and quickness. He will have to answer a bit of a speed question after a disappointing 40 at the combine, and there are also durability concerns since he missed all of 2003 and part of 2004 with various injuries.
23. Seattle Seahawks: Shaun Cody, DE/DT, USC
Cody would be a nice addition to a line that already includes Pro Bowl player Chad Brown. Cody has the size and versatility to play end or tackle and was a major force for the nation's leading rush defense.
24. Green Bay Packers: Thomas Davis (jr.), S/OLB, Georgia
Davis played safety in college but has the size and speed to move to outside linebacker at the pro level. He is a punishing tackler who is always around the ball and would form a nice outside tandem with Nick Barnett.
25. Denver Broncos: Demarcus Ware, DE/OLB, Troy
Ware would fit perfectly in Denver's new 3-4 scheme with his ability to either play on his feet or put his hand on the ground in a three-point stance. He is not physically imposing but has shown the necessary speed and burst.
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26. New York Jets: Marlin Jackson, CB, Michigan
His combine performance showed Jackson has the speed to be a true corner and not a safety/corner combo like he was in college.
27. Atlanta Falcons: Brodney Pool (jr.), S, Oklahoma
Another OU standout, Pool has tremendous instincts and is always in the middle of the action. He led the Sooners in tackles last season, showing his willingness to mix things up in run support, and he is adequate in pass coverage.
28. San Diego Chargers: Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
Clayton has speed, quickness and elusiveness that make him dangerous after the catch. He would round out a receiving corps bolstered by the addition of WR Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates.
29. Indianapolis Colts: Channing Crowder (3rd so.), MLB, Florida
An impressive physical specimen who adjusted immediately to top-level collegiate competition, Crowder has ideal size and athletic skills for a man in the middle.
30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
There is some question whether Miller will be able to work out before the draft due to a pelvic injury, but he still remains the best tight end prospect and would give Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger a nice option in the middle of the field.
31. Philadelphia Eagles: Jerome Mathis, WR, Hampton
Played at the Division I-AA level in college but showed at the Gridiron Classic and the combine he belongs with the big boys. He dominated Hampton's playoff game this season and was the best player on the field at the Gridiron thanks to his overall athleticism.
32. New England Patriots: Barrett Ruud, LB, Nebraska
His speed and athletic ability made him Nebraska's all-time leading tackler and Ruud would help the Patriots get younger at a key position, a big key with the health of Teddy Bruschi in question.
1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws. The Niners likely won't get a good enough deal to move down because there is not a particular player creating a buzz as the surefire No. 1 prospect, but getting Smith would be a good start toward revamping a struggling offense.
2. Miami Dolphins: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Brown is the top running back available after his outstanding combine workout. He showed impressive speed for a 230-pounder, he can catch the ball out of the backfield and also has excellent instincts and quickness, something new Dolphins coach Nick Saban knows all about having coached against Brown in the SEC while at LSU.
3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he put height questions to rest at the combine. Rodgers is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.
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4. Chicago Bears: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
The Bears addressed their need for a big-time wideout with the free agent signing of Muhsin Muhammad and Benson would give quarterback Rex Grossman two topflight weapons to help out on offense. Benson is a tough, productive runner who can go the distance and always showed up in his team's biggest games.
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years, and Tampa coach Jon Gruden is very familiar with him after coaching Williams in the Senior Bowl.
6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones (jr.), CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs. Jones also fills a major need after hits in free agency.
7. Minnesota Vikings (from OAK): Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards' size, strength, speed and overall athleticism would go a long way toward filling the void left by the trade of Randy Moss, which is how the Vikings acquired the selection in the first place. Minnesota also has needs on defense but can address them later in the first round.
8. Arizona Cardinals: Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
The best pure linebacker in the draft, Johnson has sideline-to-sideline speed and is always around the ball. His consistency would be welcome on a defense looking for playmakers.
9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams has the size and strength to dominate corners with his 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame. He must answer questions about his speed, but beyond that his hands, body control and natural receiving skills make him a very attractive package for a team that needs to help quarterback Patrick Ramsey.
10. Detroit Lions: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
The Lions need their front seven to get more pressure on the quarterback and Cody would help with his fiery attitude and relentless motor. He stepped up in big games and was one of the most consistent performers on a defense full of stars.
11. <A href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal" target="_blank">Dallas Cowboys:</A> Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior with incredible physical skills, Merriman would be an ideal end/linebacker combo in a 3-4 scheme. He fits the mold of Patriots linebacker Willie McGinest, who was the first draft pick of Cowboys coach Bill Parcells when Parcells began his tenure in New England.
12. San Diego Chargers: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
The Chargers need more playmakers on the front seven and Spears would be a good option for providing pressure along the defensive front. He boosted his stock immensely with a great week of work at the Senior Bowl.
13. Houston Texans: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
Texans quarterback David Carr is improving but needs more protection, making the versatile Barron an ideal fit. He is very strong in the lower body and has quick feet in pass protection.
14. Carolina Panthers: Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
Williamson showed great speed at the combine and would be a nice option for a team that lost Muhsin Muhammad in free agency. Williamson did not play in a passing offense in college but has the speed all teams are looking for.
15. Kansas City Chiefs: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
The Chiefs likely will dedicate most of their draft to defense, and Rogers is a good place to start. He was Auburn's best defensive player last season, Rogers can support the run or excel in pass coverage and has plenty of experience against top-shelf collegiate competition.
16. New Orleans Saints: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
Brown is equally adept in pass and run blocking, using his quick feet and long arms to move defensive linemen away from the action.
17. Cincinnati Bengals: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Johnson has the size and strength to be a force up front. He raised his stock throughout the 2004 season and would give the Bengals some beef along the defensive front.
18. Minnesota Vikings: Fabian Washington (jr.), CB, Nebraska
Washington was the talk of the combine after running the 40 in 4.28 seconds, and his speed and athleticism are just what the Vikings need in a secondary that struggled against top wideouts and quarterbacks last season.
19. <A href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=stl" target="_blank">St. Louis Rams:</A> David Pollack, DE, Georgia
Pollack plays with tremendous intensity and his motor does not stop. He makes up for a lack of size with good initial quickness and great closing speed, but his 40 time at the combine was a bit disappointing and he will have to show more speed during his individual workout.
20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Roddy White, WR, UAB
Averaged 20 yards per catch during his senior season and was very good at both the Senior Bowl and the combine. The acquisition of quarterback Drew Bledsoe means the Cowboys will have to find him some help in the passing game.
21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
The Jags are thin in the secondary and need a player with Rolle's speed and toughness, a player who can be solid in coverage and also a force in run support.
22. Baltimore Ravens: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
James is an outstanding pass rusher who also plays the run very well thanks to his strength and quickness. He will have to answer a bit of a speed question after a disappointing 40 at the combine, and there are also durability concerns since he missed all of 2003 and part of 2004 with various injuries.
23. Seattle Seahawks: Shaun Cody, DE/DT, USC
Cody would be a nice addition to a line that already includes Pro Bowl player Chad Brown. Cody has the size and versatility to play end or tackle and was a major force for the nation's leading rush defense.
24. Green Bay Packers: Thomas Davis (jr.), S/OLB, Georgia
Davis played safety in college but has the size and speed to move to outside linebacker at the pro level. He is a punishing tackler who is always around the ball and would form a nice outside tandem with Nick Barnett.
25. Denver Broncos: Demarcus Ware, DE/OLB, Troy
Ware would fit perfectly in Denver's new 3-4 scheme with his ability to either play on his feet or put his hand on the ground in a three-point stance. He is not physically imposing but has shown the necessary speed and burst.
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26. New York Jets: Marlin Jackson, CB, Michigan
His combine performance showed Jackson has the speed to be a true corner and not a safety/corner combo like he was in college.
27. Atlanta Falcons: Brodney Pool (jr.), S, Oklahoma
Another OU standout, Pool has tremendous instincts and is always in the middle of the action. He led the Sooners in tackles last season, showing his willingness to mix things up in run support, and he is adequate in pass coverage.
28. San Diego Chargers: Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
Clayton has speed, quickness and elusiveness that make him dangerous after the catch. He would round out a receiving corps bolstered by the addition of WR Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates.
29. Indianapolis Colts: Channing Crowder (3rd so.), MLB, Florida
An impressive physical specimen who adjusted immediately to top-level collegiate competition, Crowder has ideal size and athletic skills for a man in the middle.
30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
There is some question whether Miller will be able to work out before the draft due to a pelvic injury, but he still remains the best tight end prospect and would give Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger a nice option in the middle of the field.
31. Philadelphia Eagles: Jerome Mathis, WR, Hampton
Played at the Division I-AA level in college but showed at the Gridiron Classic and the combine he belongs with the big boys. He dominated Hampton's playoff game this season and was the best player on the field at the Gridiron thanks to his overall athleticism.
32. New England Patriots: Barrett Ruud, LB, Nebraska
His speed and athletic ability made him Nebraska's all-time leading tackler and Ruud would help the Patriots get younger at a key position, a big key with the health of Teddy Bruschi in question.
Colonel_Reb
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Well, what is that, 8 out of 32? I guess if nothing changes, we'll look back 20 years from now and say these were the good ole days. By then, there won't be 2.
okra63
Guru
White players are too shy to make a name for themselves and are too much "old school". They need to up tempo themselves and try a little harder. All black people have to look forward to is doing good in athletics because most of them can't do much else except mooch off the welfare system. Atleast it is like that here in the Mississippi Delta.
If Matt Jones was black, he would be the #1 overall pick in the draft,
without any question. How can someone with that kind of unprecendented
combination of size and speed not even be a consensus first-round
selection? I have tried to talk about this to people, but all I get are
blank stares. It's really frustrating; there is absolutely nothing
else, besides the color of his skin, to explain how an incredible
athlete like this is ignored by every team in the NFL. And they are
talking about turning him into a TE? What? Has any TE in history run
that fast? Why would you not turn him into a WR, where he would not
only be one of the biggest-if not the biggest-WR in the league, but one
of the fastest as well?
without any question. How can someone with that kind of unprecendented
combination of size and speed not even be a consensus first-round
selection? I have tried to talk about this to people, but all I get are
blank stares. It's really frustrating; there is absolutely nothing
else, besides the color of his skin, to explain how an incredible
athlete like this is ignored by every team in the NFL. And they are
talking about turning him into a TE? What? Has any TE in history run
that fast? Why would you not turn him into a WR, where he would not
only be one of the biggest-if not the biggest-WR in the league, but one
of the fastest as well?
Agree completely bigunreal. There's no question he'd be the first overall pick, and as a quarterback. Yeah, he's a bit raw and sometimes made dubious decisions and wild throws at Arkansas, but he's far ahead of where Michael Vick was coming out of college in those areas.
As weget closer to the draft alot of these caste system propagandists still insist on calling him a "tight end" or "H-back" or "hybrid wide receiver/H-back." It all depends on which team drafts him. There's probably only a half dozen or so that will give him a full shot at wide receiver and not destroy him in one way or another by turning this unprecedented athletic talent into a TE or some other disgrace.
As weget closer to the draft alot of these caste system propagandists still insist on calling him a "tight end" or "H-back" or "hybrid wide receiver/H-back." It all depends on which team drafts him. There's probably only a half dozen or so that will give him a full shot at wide receiver and not destroy him in one way or another by turning this unprecedented athletic talent into a TE or some other disgrace.
kevin
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what is sad is that if jones where 20 lbs lighter and black he would be getting compared to randy moss. instead he has to be compared to other TE because his size doesn't represent his speed.
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If you guys go to the nfl.com site,Matt Mccoy had a
excellent workout with speed in the 4.5 range.He put
on alot of muscle and the scouts think highly of him.
There is a picture of him.He reminds me a little bit
of Urlacher with his haircut.Good luck to him.I am still
anxiously awaiting both Lumsden to work out and also
Chance Kretschmer.
excellent workout with speed in the 4.5 range.He put
on alot of muscle and the scouts think highly of him.
There is a picture of him.He reminds me a little bit
of Urlacher with his haircut.Good luck to him.I am still
anxiously awaiting both Lumsden to work out and also
Chance Kretschmer.
Colonel_Reb
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If Matt gets a chance somewhere, he will impress for sure. I think these guys will open some eyes, but you will always have the people who "just don't see it." You will also have those who know it exists and deny it, they always tow the line for the Caste System.
Dennis Dodd of NFL.com has Bill Swanncutt going to St. Louis at #19. Heknows enough to guess thata team like St. Louis is mostlikely to select a talent like Swanncutt. Pete Prisco of NFL.com has guard-center David Baas of Michigan going to Green Bay at #24, a team that likes white o-linemen, but blacks at every other position except for QB.
That makeseight whites who have been mentioned in the first roundby one "expert" or another so far.
There are two silver linings about this draft so far: The top two QBs are white, and most quarterbacks who are drafted will be white; Jason Campbell and Adrian McPherson (!) look to be the only two black ones who are sure to be picked. But the biggest positive has to be that of the generally agreed upon top six defensive linemen, four are white -- Pollack, Roth, Cody and Swanncutt. Additionally, one of the other two, Shaun Cody of USC (not to be confused with Dan Cody of Oklahoma), is at least three-fourths white. Also, several white safeties should be drafted. And of course we have Matt Jones, so talented that every team may be afraid to draft him in an early round.. WR Chase Lyman also deserves to go in the first day butmost likely won'tbe drafted at all.Edited by: Don Wassall
That makeseight whites who have been mentioned in the first roundby one "expert" or another so far.
There are two silver linings about this draft so far: The top two QBs are white, and most quarterbacks who are drafted will be white; Jason Campbell and Adrian McPherson (!) look to be the only two black ones who are sure to be picked. But the biggest positive has to be that of the generally agreed upon top six defensive linemen, four are white -- Pollack, Roth, Cody and Swanncutt. Additionally, one of the other two, Shaun Cody of USC (not to be confused with Dan Cody of Oklahoma), is at least three-fourths white. Also, several white safeties should be drafted. And of course we have Matt Jones, so talented that every team may be afraid to draft him in an early round.. WR Chase Lyman also deserves to go in the first day butmost likely won'tbe drafted at all.Edited by: Don Wassall
Colonel_Reb
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I hope we do have 8 or 9 in the first round. I'll tell you guys Jason Campbell should get a real job. He has no business in the NFL. He will fall, but will probably get carried by a team because he's black.
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Barret Ruud LB Nebraska 40 time: 4.72
Short shuttle 3.94
Joel Dreessen TE Colorado State 40 time: 4.72
Short Shuttle: 4.01
Dan Buenning OG Wisconsin 40 Time: 5.33
Short Shuttle 4.59
Short shuttle 3.94
Joel Dreessen TE Colorado State 40 time: 4.72
Short Shuttle: 4.01
Dan Buenning OG Wisconsin 40 Time: 5.33
Short Shuttle 4.59
kevin
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why does quincy carter still have a job, he is horible.
Colonel_Reb
Hall of Famer
Because of his skin tone, Kevin. You know that speeds him up at least 3 seconds in the 40, yeah right! It also gives him an all screw ups ignored pass from the media.
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Bill Flowers had his pro day workout today.He is related
to Richmond Flowers and the whole family.They all have
incredible speed and athletic ability.Bill is probably
not quite as fast as the others but can still blow past
most cornerbacks.He ran a 4.50 in the 40 today.Bill
also turned alot of heads as he caught every ball in
site.He has very good hands and is an excellent wide
receiver.He is 5'11 and should go in around the middle
of the draft.Good luck to him.
to Richmond Flowers and the whole family.They all have
incredible speed and athletic ability.Bill is probably
not quite as fast as the others but can still blow past
most cornerbacks.He ran a 4.50 in the 40 today.Bill
also turned alot of heads as he caught every ball in
site.He has very good hands and is an excellent wide
receiver.He is 5'11 and should go in around the middle
of the draft.Good luck to him.
Colonel_Reb
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whitelightning, I'm glad you brought up a guy who I should have when I first got on the site. Bill Flowers is an acquaintance of mine. He was a great reciever at Ole Miss. He is a top-notch, courteous, Christian kid. He grew up in and starred at Pelham, Alabama High School before playing split end at UM. I truly hope he gets on somewhere. I saw him outrun many of the SEC best DB's over the last 4 years. He never got a chance to star at Ole Miss, as there were several other good recievers, but he made the most of his time on the field. I hope to see him contributing and further integrating the NFL reciever ranks.
Adam Seward, an ILB from UNLV, is moving up the ranks and has a chance to be drafted in the first three rounds. Here's a capsule summary from Scouts Inc.:
"UNLV's Adam Seward is one of the fastest-rising prospects right now. Seward was an ultra-productive and durable linebacker on the collegiate level who answered many questions about his natural tools with a jaw-dropping performance at the combine.
"At 248 pounds, Seward was either near the top or set the standard at the ILB position for the bench press (33 reps), 40-yard dash (4.62), vertical jump (36½), broad jump (10'), short shuttle (4.11) and three-cone drill (7.16). If Seward sneaks into the first day of the draft, it will be a direct result of his combine workout."
The same source has this description of Nebraska's Barrett Ruud, which manages to pack insix racial euphemisms in the course of one short paragraph. Ruud has a chance to go in the first round:
"Ruud is a notch below Crowder and Thurman in terms of natural skill, but he's the "cleanest" of the three. Ruud is a high-motor, blue-collar type MLB who will show up every day for work. He was extremely durable as a three-year starter at Nebraska and notched a mind-boggling 292 tackles in his last two seasons in Lincoln. If a team winds up taking Ruud ahead of Crowder and/or Thurman, it will be a direct result of the intangibles."
"UNLV's Adam Seward is one of the fastest-rising prospects right now. Seward was an ultra-productive and durable linebacker on the collegiate level who answered many questions about his natural tools with a jaw-dropping performance at the combine.
"At 248 pounds, Seward was either near the top or set the standard at the ILB position for the bench press (33 reps), 40-yard dash (4.62), vertical jump (36½), broad jump (10'), short shuttle (4.11) and three-cone drill (7.16). If Seward sneaks into the first day of the draft, it will be a direct result of his combine workout."
The same source has this description of Nebraska's Barrett Ruud, which manages to pack insix racial euphemisms in the course of one short paragraph. Ruud has a chance to go in the first round:
"Ruud is a notch below Crowder and Thurman in terms of natural skill, but he's the "cleanest" of the three. Ruud is a high-motor, blue-collar type MLB who will show up every day for work. He was extremely durable as a three-year starter at Nebraska and notched a mind-boggling 292 tackles in his last two seasons in Lincoln. If a team winds up taking Ruud ahead of Crowder and/or Thurman, it will be a direct result of the intangibles."
Colonel_Reb
Hall of Famer
These guys are really something else. They can't praise one guy, without belittling another in the process. They just can't give a white guy any credit.
I find it interesting,at least in this years anyway,the number of highly ranked white DE's.The less athletic d-lineman are the DT and that is where you will find white guys playing but in this years draft all the fat bubba tackles seem to be black.Maybe this is the bizzaro world draft.But if you look at the NFL the Falcons starting DE's are both white and the same thing is true in Buffalo,throw in Grant Wistrom and just maybe the football world is starting to notice white athletic ability.Could the worm be starting to turn?
Colonel_Reb
Hall of Famer
I hope so speedster, where did that expression come from anyway, the worm turns? Just curious. I used to play Defensive end in Junior High, man I loved it, you could pin your ears back and knock someone into next week.