Jack Lambert
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Hopefully McDaniels will play Peyton and not one of the overrated black RBs that they have. Hillis would be the first white starting tailback in what seems like forever.
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good find, i just saw that article linked by, who else but, draftdaddy.com!
"HONOLULU  There were injuries to each of the Bailey brothers.
There were injuries to all three starting linebackers.
There were injuries to both receiving tight ends.
There were season-ending injuries to seven tailbacks.
The one injury that hurt the Broncos more than any other in 2008?
"I still think if Peyton stays healthy we make the playoffs," said Broncos center Casey Weigmann.
As in Peyton Hillis, the Broncos' fullback turned tailback who played inspiringly until he tore a hamstring while making a sensational catch against the Kansas City Chiefs in the season's 13th game. It was no coincidence, Wiegmann said, that Chiefs' game was the Broncos final win of the season.
"He just ran so hard," Wiegmann said. "Ran people over. It was just a mentality. He gets everybody else fired up. There's no way Buffalo should have beaten us."
Up 13-0 against the Bills in Game 15, the Broncos did not have the power running game required to secure leads. The Broncos eventually lost to Buffalo, lost the AFC West title, and lost Mike Shanahan. "
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Wow, watching highlights of a white RB getting carries and succeeding during the regular season is such shocking imagery. I guessmy"racial conditioning" worked like a charm.
I'm not sure of Hillis' fate this coming season, but Josh McDaniels has to be one of the least caste offensive coaches in the past decade. His Patriot offenses normally featured only two/three blacks: Ben Watson (the worst starting TE since Bubba Franks), whatever blackRB was starting (Morony, Faulk),and RandyMoss.
If Hillis were to start, and rush for 1,000+ yards this coming season....it would be the biggest blow to the caste system in 15 years. Our WR's and TE's have been making thepowers-that-be look foolish year after year...so much so, that I think that artificial barrier is slowly crumbling.
Needlesss to say, next season could be something really special for all of us.
I'm not sure of Hillis' fate this coming season, but Josh McDaniels has to be one of the least caste offensive coaches in the past decade. His Patriot offenses normally featured only two/three blacks: Ben Watson (the worst starting TE since Bubba Franks), whatever blackRB was starting (Morony, Faulk),and RandyMoss.
If Hillis were to start, and rush for 1,000+ yards this coming season....it would be the biggest blow to the caste system in 15 years. Our WR's and TE's have been making thepowers-that-be look foolish year after year...so much so, that I think that artificial barrier is slowly crumbling.
Needlesss to say, next season could be something really special for all of us.
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That is what I am hoping for, thrashen. If Hillis ran for 1,000+ yards this year, the caste system would be dealt a huge blow, and a kick in the face.
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Good point Thrashen: When Rivals ranks their top white h.s WR for '09 51st, yes 51st you heard it right, this year; anyone with even a peanut sized brain should be able to detect something fishy with their farce rankings:
I mean just think Jordy last year in the 2nd round cracking a strong WR rotation, Matt Jones finally shedding the bust label. Anthony Gonzalez is looking promising and vets Kevin Curtis and Wes Welker tearing it up in 2007. This year Wes makes the Pro-bowl and Kevin Curtis has a big playoffs.
Clearly, even Plebeians with ant sized brains must be detecting something fishy with Rivals and ESPN given the circumstances. Our society is nuts if fair minded people don't start to question the status quo.
I mean just think Jordy last year in the 2nd round cracking a strong WR rotation, Matt Jones finally shedding the bust label. Anthony Gonzalez is looking promising and vets Kevin Curtis and Wes Welker tearing it up in 2007. This year Wes makes the Pro-bowl and Kevin Curtis has a big playoffs.
Clearly, even Plebeians with ant sized brains must be detecting something fishy with Rivals and ESPN given the circumstances. Our society is nuts if fair minded people don't start to question the status quo.
<H1 =articleTitle id=articleTitle>Giants RB Ward high on free-agent list</H1>
The Broncos may be among the teams interested in New York Giants running back Derrick Ward when he becomes a free agent on Feb. 27.
Ward, who shared carries with Brandon Jacobs with the Giants, is one of the top free-agent running backs.
The Broncos are in the market for a proven, durable No. 1 running back after starting five players at tailback in 2008. Seven Broncos running backs ended the season on injured reserve.
Ward, 28, has spent five seasons in New York, but is relatively fresh by tailback standards, with only 342 carries in his career. He rushed for 1,025 yards  and an average of 5.6 yards per carry  in 2008, his breakout season, though he scored only two touchdowns.
Ward has made it clear that he wants to be a No. 1 running back, and that isn't going to happen in New York after the team used its franchise tag on Jacobs.
While Ward could be a fit for the Broncos, he might demand more money than the team is willing to pay. Atlanta's Michael Turner, who was in a similar situation when he left San Diego last year, received a six-year contract worth $34.5 million, with $15 million guaranteed.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11744759
The Broncos may be among the teams interested in New York Giants running back Derrick Ward when he becomes a free agent on Feb. 27.
Ward, who shared carries with Brandon Jacobs with the Giants, is one of the top free-agent running backs.
The Broncos are in the market for a proven, durable No. 1 running back after starting five players at tailback in 2008. Seven Broncos running backs ended the season on injured reserve.
Ward, 28, has spent five seasons in New York, but is relatively fresh by tailback standards, with only 342 carries in his career. He rushed for 1,025 yards  and an average of 5.6 yards per carry  in 2008, his breakout season, though he scored only two touchdowns.
Ward has made it clear that he wants to be a No. 1 running back, and that isn't going to happen in New York after the team used its franchise tag on Jacobs.
While Ward could be a fit for the Broncos, he might demand more money than the team is willing to pay. Atlanta's Michael Turner, who was in a similar situation when he left San Diego last year, received a six-year contract worth $34.5 million, with $15 million guaranteed.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11744759
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Apparently Ward will do what's best for him and not the team. If the Bronco's pay him the most money of anyone, he should be able to find it acceptable to have the same role he had with the Giants. He still rushed for 1,000 yards after all.
This is a perfect example of why we have a long way to go to get a white guy the carries to have a shot at 1,000 yards. Most teams are going to HB by committee now, but oh no precious Derrick Ward is too important to split carries with a beast of a cut-back power runner Peyton Hillis, who is quite a bit like Brandon Jacobs btw. Ward's too important to be a team player. Hillis is just made for a Jacobs/ Marion Barber role in the Bronco's zone blocking scheme.
This is a perfect example of why we have a long way to go to get a white guy the carries to have a shot at 1,000 yards. Most teams are going to HB by committee now, but oh no precious Derrick Ward is too important to split carries with a beast of a cut-back power runner Peyton Hillis, who is quite a bit like Brandon Jacobs btw. Ward's too important to be a team player. Hillis is just made for a Jacobs/ Marion Barber role in the Bronco's zone blocking scheme.
Here's another article from the Denver media speculating on what the team may do at RB. The point where thearticle describes Hillis isn't logically consistent:
The Broncos lead the league in running backs that are OK. Peyton Hillis was even superb as a converted fullback, and he will be a keeper providing he sufficiently recovers from his torn hamstring. But the Broncos would need a speed back to complement him.
First of all if he was "superb," which he was, the team doesn't necessarily need a "speed back to compliment him." Hillis is a bruiser who runs over and around people and makes plenty of big plays. A couple of his red zone TD runs were essentially uncontested and could have been much longer than they were. He had lots of runs in the 10 to19 yard range; without knowing the statistic my guess would be that on a percentage basis, Hillis may have been the best back in the league at gaining at least 10 yards on a rush.(Reggie Bush has just one rush longer than 22 yards in his three years in the NFL.)
Earlier the article describes the Broncos' needs as this: "it's no secret the team's greatest offensive need is at running back. A back who can break off a long run in the first half, and protect a lead by moving the sticks"
That sounds like a great description of Hillis, butsomewhatin reverse. Hillis keeps the sticks moving in the first half (and is also capable of breaking off long runs at that point of the game), and then protects the lead late in the game by his ability to wear down defenses and make big plays, the way Mike Alstott did.Most of Alstott's longer TD runs came in the4th quarter againsttired defenses.And Alstott would have been even more effective if he had been the main ball carrier the entire game rather than at best sharing carries. Hillis has the total package, not to mention youth and fresh legs, to be the workhorse back that Terrell Davis was, and even lesser lights like Mike Anderson and Orlandis Gary were at times. But he's constantly faced with limitations imposed on his potential because of the ingrained racist attitudes of management, the media, and the DWFs.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_11778179?source=rssEdited by: Don Wassall
The Broncos lead the league in running backs that are OK. Peyton Hillis was even superb as a converted fullback, and he will be a keeper providing he sufficiently recovers from his torn hamstring. But the Broncos would need a speed back to complement him.
First of all if he was "superb," which he was, the team doesn't necessarily need a "speed back to compliment him." Hillis is a bruiser who runs over and around people and makes plenty of big plays. A couple of his red zone TD runs were essentially uncontested and could have been much longer than they were. He had lots of runs in the 10 to19 yard range; without knowing the statistic my guess would be that on a percentage basis, Hillis may have been the best back in the league at gaining at least 10 yards on a rush.(Reggie Bush has just one rush longer than 22 yards in his three years in the NFL.)
Earlier the article describes the Broncos' needs as this: "it's no secret the team's greatest offensive need is at running back. A back who can break off a long run in the first half, and protect a lead by moving the sticks"
That sounds like a great description of Hillis, butsomewhatin reverse. Hillis keeps the sticks moving in the first half (and is also capable of breaking off long runs at that point of the game), and then protects the lead late in the game by his ability to wear down defenses and make big plays, the way Mike Alstott did.Most of Alstott's longer TD runs came in the4th quarter againsttired defenses.And Alstott would have been even more effective if he had been the main ball carrier the entire game rather than at best sharing carries. Hillis has the total package, not to mention youth and fresh legs, to be the workhorse back that Terrell Davis was, and even lesser lights like Mike Anderson and Orlandis Gary were at times. But he's constantly faced with limitations imposed on his potential because of the ingrained racist attitudes of management, the media, and the DWFs.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_11778179?source=rssEdited by: Don Wassall
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Yeah, I guess they want a "speed back" like Beanie Wells (4.59) to complement Hillis (4.58).
I can see why denver would want a running back to fill out the "scat back" role, but to pick up someone with the intention of making them the No. 1 running back over hillis is not only showing signs of discrimination against white rb's, but its also a waste of money. They have a great player in hillis and they should use the money they have to fill other needs, mostly on defense. They're so afraid of having a feature white rb its ridiculous. Denver fans would fall in love with this guy if they gave him the job and jersey sales would be outrageous for him.
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Yeah, I'm thinking Denver is probably afraid of having a white man be the premier runner for their team. I forgot who the last primary white runner was, I am thinking it was Merril Hodge for the Steelers, before Cowturd came in. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It would be Hoge, but he shared carries with first round bust Tim Worley, so even he wasn't the clear primary runner.
buckhalter and jj arrington to the broncos roster, i wonder what this means for hillis
http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/89900-br oncos-add-rbs-correll-buckhalter-j-j-arrington.html
is where saw it posted, not sure if its confirmed, some say its just a visit, and the broncos and 4 other teams have offers on the table for Ward.
Alot of fans on the Broncos boards are saying Hillis is the best half back on the team and still would be if those 2 were added, and RB is not a pressing need, Defense is. And some are saying Hillis has proved nothing only starting for 4 games and is a fullback, and some say let Hillis "compete" for the starting job with everyone.
They would be dumb to not give Hillis a majority of carries. I don't know about this new coach.Edited by: dwid
http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/89900-br oncos-add-rbs-correll-buckhalter-j-j-arrington.html
is where saw it posted, not sure if its confirmed, some say its just a visit, and the broncos and 4 other teams have offers on the table for Ward.
Alot of fans on the Broncos boards are saying Hillis is the best half back on the team and still would be if those 2 were added, and RB is not a pressing need, Defense is. And some are saying Hillis has proved nothing only starting for 4 games and is a fullback, and some say let Hillis "compete" for the starting job with everyone.
They would be dumb to not give Hillis a majority of carries. I don't know about this new coach.Edited by: dwid
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It could potentially be very good for Hillis -- if they're going to use him as the main RB that is. Arrington is a third down scatback type, and Buckhalter is a 30 year old career backup. Neithershould bea threat to be the main guy.
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I didn't know Buckhalter was that old I could have sworn he was younger; but he only had one season in Phili where he looked good before getting injured; he is injury prone.
A third down scat-back type is exactly what the Bronco's need not a featured guy b/c Hillis will do amazing with 2/3s to 3/4s of the carries.
In the 4th quarter; he should be almost exclusively THE GUY once the other team is worn down. He will play even faster in that quarter and the opposing team won't want to man him up and tackle him that quarter when they are tiring.
A third down scat-back type is exactly what the Bronco's need not a featured guy b/c Hillis will do amazing with 2/3s to 3/4s of the carries.
In the 4th quarter; he should be almost exclusively THE GUY once the other team is worn down. He will play even faster in that quarter and the opposing team won't want to man him up and tackle him that quarter when they are tiring.
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J.J Arrington also looks like more of a receiving threat. He has a pretty low 3.6 YPC average and never eclipsed 400 rushing yards in a season. Last year he averaged a great 6 YPC, but only had 37 carries. Most of his yardage has been on the receiving end.
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He was pretty much a kickoff return specialist with the cards.
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I'm very happy the Broncos signed these two RBs, because it makes it fairly obvious to even professional jock-boys that Hillis is the only legit every-down back on the team.
Buckhalter was decent, but never accomplished much since his horrible patella injury 3-4 years ago. JJ Arrington played at Cal and was above average, but nothing amazing. He was taken in the early 2nd round by the Cards and was their 3rd RB after Hightower and James....nothing amazingindeed.
Josh McDaniels might have any combination of Cutler, Hillis, Stokley, Anderson, and Scheffler on the field during any given game. Assuming they dont draft a RB, and keep Stokley, McDaniels seems to be building the most anti-caste offense in the past decade. Assuming Anderson keeps his mouth shut about his loveof dancing, and never refers to himself as a "whiteboy" ever again....I'll be willing to support him.
Buckhalter was decent, but never accomplished much since his horrible patella injury 3-4 years ago. JJ Arrington played at Cal and was above average, but nothing amazing. He was taken in the early 2nd round by the Cards and was their 3rd RB after Hightower and James....nothing amazingindeed.
Josh McDaniels might have any combination of Cutler, Hillis, Stokley, Anderson, and Scheffler on the field during any given game. Assuming they dont draft a RB, and keep Stokley, McDaniels seems to be building the most anti-caste offense in the past decade. Assuming Anderson keeps his mouth shut about his loveof dancing, and never refers to himself as a "whiteboy" ever again....I'll be willing to support him.
Face it with the signings of JJ and Buckhalter its obvious that the new Broncos regime views Hillis as nothing more than a backup HB/receiving FB who. Why would a team sign two guys like that if they thought their current crop of RBs was sufficient? It pains me greatly but I cannot see Hillis being the main HB this year. Not unless they give him a fair shot in preseason and he just absolutely tears it up to the point where management has no choice but to start Peyton. These signings are the end of Hillis's chances at being a starter.
I'm glad to see the Broncos shelling out money to sign safety Brian Dawkins (the "heart and soul" of the Eagles as unanimously proclaimed by the media, with the Philly DWFs enraged by the team losing him), as the Caste Clowns on the NFL Network tonight were all but begging Denver to sign Derrick Ward even after picking up Arrington and Buckhalter.The more the Broncosspend on free agents at other positions the less chance there is of signing Ward. If the NFL had no black QBs and one "came out of nowhere" and did well in limited playing time, he would be as popular among the media as Barack Obama. But they can't wait to bury a single potential White running back despite the undeniable talent he displayed.
Buchhalter is very injury-prone and Arrington is not even an upgrade over Selvin Young, really. so not much changes here, let's just see what will happen. something tells me that one way or another Peyton wil emerge on top.
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"Buchhalter is very injury-prone and Arrington is not even an upgrade over Selvin Young, really. so not much changes here, let's just see what will happen. something tells me that one way or another Peyton wil emerge on top."
Totally agreed. I was happy they signed these two mediocre (especially Arrington) RB's. Also, as Don noted, I hope they waste more money on elderly, slow safeties like Brian Dawkins....as long as they don't sign Ward.I'm sure the media would have a collective brain aneurism if Hillis shared any carries with a "proven commodity" (1 healthy season splitting carries with 2 other RBs) like Derrick Ward....let alone started over him.
Hillis is far from "doomed," if anything, Arrington and Buckhalter will make Peyton look better by comparison (along with the obese Selvin Young). I couldnt find any Broncos fans that were not impressed with Hillis' play last season.
Totally agreed. I was happy they signed these two mediocre (especially Arrington) RB's. Also, as Don noted, I hope they waste more money on elderly, slow safeties like Brian Dawkins....as long as they don't sign Ward.I'm sure the media would have a collective brain aneurism if Hillis shared any carries with a "proven commodity" (1 healthy season splitting carries with 2 other RBs) like Derrick Ward....let alone started over him.
Hillis is far from "doomed," if anything, Arrington and Buckhalter will make Peyton look better by comparison (along with the obese Selvin Young). I couldnt find any Broncos fans that were not impressed with Hillis' play last season.