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I guess I just don't know the rules of football anymore. Boatang would never have received the ball if it weren't for a handball. Even though it was accidental play should've been ruled dead if it led to the offending team gaining advantage.

i'm tired of seeing matches decided on refereeing "mistakes" each and every time

if milan qualifies to the next round, i'll stop following soccer for a year, i'm serious
after the 2010 world cup when uruguay was robbed i stopped watching it for a year
 

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the fans in the milan AC stadium celebrating: even if they do qualify instead of barcelona (i don't think they will) their team is still disgusting and they can only score with a refereeing "mistake"
so ridiculous
it's OK when you see celtic very happy to beat barcelona, but when AC milan does the same it's so ridiculous because of the club's history
now they are like a club from the french league who won't win anything this season, and which main achievment in the season was beating a superior club in a ridiculously weak way (fouling messi every time he had the ball, scoring a goal which should have been ruled out, then falling on the ground every 5 minutes and act like you're badly injuried)
poor AC milan, poor serie A

funny how malaga and barcelona both played without european-black player and how then the referee allowed 2 goals that should have been ruled out against these 2 teams
that's why barcelona had abidal
you NEED a black european player (or african, it's the same since europe is just an expansion of africa nowadays)
 

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the fans in the milan AC stadium celebrating: even if they do qualify instead of barcelona (i don't think they will) their team is still disgusting and they can only score with a refereeing "mistake"
so ridiculous
it's OK when you see celtic very happy to beat barcelona, but when AC milan does the same it's so ridiculous because of the club's history

Wretched result for an undeserving side. I hadn't watched a Barcelona game yet this season and was rather unimpressed with their possession-heavy style of play. Perhaps they meant to play a bit more conservatively in the away leg, but the passing lacked purpose.

AC Milan's roster is a travesty. I have to force myself to remember that not all the fans are rootless cosmopolitans.

[video=youtube;6G4ly0hIThY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G4ly0hIThY[/video]

Could one of our multilingual posters please translate these chants? My Italian is rather rusty, and I would not want to misquote the succinct wisdom of these sage heralds. Unfortunately, the Berlusconi billionaires are more concerned about selling shirts in Africa and Arabia than to their original fanbase.

(you may omit "pezzo di merda" because that is rather banal and predictable as well as profane... but please clarify the villains that this is meant to refer to ie "fuoritud")
 
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I couldn't stand watching as AC Milan kept putting on black after black. They had Ziang out there who the commentator said just had trials at Arsenal and Tottenham, but was not signed and now he plays for AC Milan in the CL. It was bad enough with players like Gullit, Riijkard, Weah, Seedorf, but now Milan are a joke.

Both goal scorers played for Portsmouth of all teams.

The AC Milan fans are just as bad as any other team's fans. They'll root for anybody. As Fifa is trying to stamp out any anti-black feeling in Italy, Serie A will get more black.

I agree with Phall. Barcelona holds the ball too much some times. Maybe defenses pack it in and they have to, but they almost run a four corner offense like college basketball teams did when there was no shot clock. It's not that extreme, but they are frustrating to watch.

Milan can now be called the mohawk team because so many players have that ridiculous haircut.

Wilshere was called for a handball on a cross against Brazil even though it was accidental and way away from the goal. I don't know if he should have been.

If it's an accidental handball and leads to a goal should it be called? According to Matra it should be called.Suarez had one for Liverpool early in the season and they let it stand. A lot of you guys have watched soccer much longer than me, so I defer to you.

I think even an accidental handball against the defense should be called if it is really close to the goal and especially if it leads to a goal.


disapointing that walcott started instead of giroud, it's champions league and it's notorious that walcott can use his speed against weak teams but it doesn't work with good teams

It's too bad about Arsenal. They should have started Giroud upfront and Walcott on the right. He kept losing the ball in the middle. On the right he can just run past people and cross. They still almost tied it with Giroud's shot.

Milan is the last team I want to win this.
 
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I couldn't stand watching as AC Milan kept putting on black after black. They had Ziang out there who the commentator said just had trials at Arsenal and Tottenham, but was not signed and now he plays for AC Milan in the CL. It was bad enough with players like Gullit, Riijkard, Weah, Seedorf, but now Milan are a joke.

and in the last minutes, bakaye traore came in!
he played in ligue 2 and then at nancy a bottom placed ligue 1 club
they finisged the match with 6 blacks :alien:

I agree with Phall. Barcelona holds the ball too much some times. Maybe defenses pack it in and they have to, but they almost run a four corner offense like college basketball teams did when there was no shot clock. It's not that extreme, but they are frustrating to watch.

i'm not the biggest fan of the way barcelona plays, but like phall also said, this was a match played away, they were just trying to keep the ball to prevent AC milan from scoring


Wilshere was called for a handball on a cross against Brazil even though it was accidental and way away from the goal. I don't know if he should have been.

If it's an accidental handball and leads to a goal should it be called? According to Matra it should be called.Suarez had one for Liverpool early in the season and they let it stand. A lot of you guys have watched soccer much longer than me, so I defer to you.

I think even an accidental handball against the defense should be called if it is really close to the goal and especially if it leads to a goal.


i have heard many professional referees about this problem over the years
the handball has to be intentional, but you see very few really intentional handballs
so the referees give a penalty even if the handball was unintentional, as long as the defender has his arms in an "unnatural position"
i don't like this rule because very often penalty is called for big teams, and not called for smaller teams
and in football an unnatural position of the arm is defined as having the arms away from the body, like this for example:

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while a handball with arms in this position won't be called: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/285/7/c/Standing_Fast_by_Invisible_NME.png

the reason why i think it's unfair is because in soccer you need your arms to get perfect balance, and a striker can intentionally shoot in your arm to get a penalty

BUT, in AC milan's case, the player had the arms in the air like this:

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so the arms position was clearly unnatural, the handball should have been called
and i'm talking about defensive handballs
if this handball was done in the penalty area it should have been a penalty (they don't give a yellow card though, while they give it if the handball is really intentional)
but there the handball was done in the other team's penalty area, so taking the decision of calling the handball would have had less dramatic consequences than giving a penalty, so the referee had no excuse for not calling it

the fact that clearly, the handball led to the goal, like matra said, should also be taken into account, while sometimes you do a small handball that doesn't help you to score
 
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Milan can now be called the mohawk team because so many players have that ridiculous haircut.

did you see how many times they showed balotelli celebrating in the stands/next to the field? he was with other black players like robinho, and with his new girlfriend,who looked like an american singer like niki minaj for example

anyways the second leg will be a nightmare for AC milan, the atmosphere in barcelona's stadium will be incredible, there will be around 100 000 people
barcelona knows how to do that
i remember in 1999 i think when barcelona lost 3-1 in chelsea in the first leg, chelsea had good players like the norwegian flo
it looked like barcelona had few chances of qualifying, then in the second leg the stadium was incredible, the fans asked for a 2-0 win:

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then they won 5-1 i think with their best players like figo and rivaldo making the difference

i think that it will be the same

in italy the pressure put by the public is huge, in spain it's bigger
 

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The outcome of the Barca-Milan match was a huge disappointment. Except for the Italian players and Mexes, none of Milan's players deserve to wear the shirt. If not for the club's recent financial policies, none of those blacks would be anywhere near the club: Zapata, Traore, Muntari, Niang, and Constant had combined transfer fees of just €6 million - they have and will amount to nothing. Prince Booteng was a flop at Spurs and has been worthless this season, while Robinho and Balotelli are unwanted rubbish from what are now bigger clubs than Milan. There was not AC Milan at the San Siro last night, but a bunch of thugs that look like they're from the French or Belgian leagues.

To illustrate just how much Milan have decayed in the last year-and-a-half
http://i50.tinypic.com/21l2y5i.jpg

This was a typical Barca-dominated game in which the opponent parks the bus and hopes to score a lucky goal on a counter or set piece. Except for some of Montolivo's passing, there was nothing positive about Milan's performance. The highlight of Milan's game was Mexes and Ambrosini's strong, calm defending.

This is the second match I've seen Sharaawy play, and he was again useless. Early in the match, his poor touch allowed Puyol to tackle him in what was a good scoring chance. His passing was poor and he frequently lost possession. If this is Italy's top young player, then the future is not good for Italian football.

Barca had a poor game, yet another one of endless passing and no cutting edge. Messi had an off day and didn't get much support in attack. Sanchez came on in the second half, and he was horrid the way he misplaced passes and was disposessed. Barca took only 2 or 3 shots from outside of the box, and hardly created any clear chances. Barca's central defense has been vulnerable since 2011 primarily because Puyol is too old and past his prime. The way the managers of neglected their central defense has been totally mistaken. Instead of investing in a world-class centre half like Thiago Silva, they went out and bought a €20m token black benchwarmer in Alex Song.
 
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Yesterday's game was an absolute travesty. Barca's short passing game is obviously been debunked. First Chelsea, then others copied the "Chelsea template", and the result was the same - Celtic, now Milan. Apart from the fact that this kind of short pass game is unwatchable, others adapted to Barca's game, parked the proverbial bus and broke tham down with a "physical" game. I am not a fan of the physical "English" game, but Barca's players are physically way too small. Barca needs to play more direct!
And John is right, Barca's defense needs to be refurbished with a couple of good central defenders who can pass the ball diagonally, the Matts Hummels types. Puyol is great, but is getting old. In any event, Barca has to be praised for raising their players from their own school, and having an overwhelmingly White and local (moltly from Catalunya) squad.

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Barca's short passing game can be hit and miss. Sometimes they look unstoppable, other times they are going nowhere, or as was the case yesterday, backwards. I like their style but as Porthos points out they've now been beaten a few times with the same template. I don't think they need to change a lot; they just need to be a little less one dimensional. You can have a short passing game but still put the occasional cross into the box. On Wednesday they had a late free kick, slightly beyond shooting distance, that could have been swung into the box, but instead they passed it laterally and then went backwards so it was completely wasted.

Barca took only 2 or 3 shots from outside of the box

And yet one of those shots, by Iniesta, was the closest they came to scoring.
 

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Could one of our multilingual posters please translate these chants? My Italian is rather rusty, and I would not want to misquote the succinct wisdom of these sage heralds. Unfortunately, the Berlusconi billionaires are more concerned about selling shirts in Africa and Arabia than to their original fanbase.

(you may omit "pezzo di merda" because that is rather banal and predictable as well as profane... but please clarify the villains that this is meant to refer to ie "fuoritud")

porthos speaks italian, i don't but i can tell you that in this clip they are insulting the rival club (internazionale milan)
an interista is an internazionale milan suporter
 

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There are stories now on Laurie Cunningham, who was the the first English player to play for Real Madrid.

He also played for Man United for 5 games. so I guess that is why they are talking about him now.

To my surprise I found that he was black. So the first English player to play for Real was black. He was also the first black to represent England.
 

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i don't know who i want to qualify, it will depend if madrid starts the black defender varane and the arab benzema
either way the dortmund/shaktar donetsk match will be very interesting, it's a shame that it happens the same day as real madrid-manchester united
 

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Alex Ferguson starts Welbeck instead of Rooney. Ferguson says it is because Welbeck is "the best forward defensively in our team...Hopefully Wayne will come off the bench and score the winner for us".
 

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Best moment of the night was when Mourinho sent would-be substitute Benzema back to the bench when Luka Modric scored. Seeing a bitter Fergie at the end was pretty good too.

I guess the worst moment was when Brazilian Santana scored for Borussia Dortmund.
 

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Best moment of the night was when Mourinho sent would-be substitute Benzema back to the bench when Luka Modric scored. Seeing a bitter Fergie at the end was pretty good too.

higuain created the goal that gave the victory to real madrid :high5:


it's a shame for rooney
i don't like the way he's treated this season


I guess the worst moment was when Brazilian Santana scored for Borussia Dortmund.

it's better than seeing one of the 5 brazilian blacks playing for donetsk score
great result by dortmund
10 white starters!
they could go as far as the final
 

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The Real -Mu game was a joke. Why do the refs continue to give ridiculous red cards that ruin the game. Nani was just going for the ball. I see guys put there foot up to get the ball like that all the time. It's certainly no red.

Why have a Turkish ref even do these games?

Rooney not starting? But it was working because I don't think Real would have scored. Ronaldo wasn't doing much.
 

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i had something to do so i didn't see the game , just highlights and a friend who told me what happened
i'm not really surprised to see controversy about the refereeing
it's been the same in each match
i'm not really bothered because as i said i didn't really want any of these 2 teams to qualify more than the other, but if you were rooting for manchester i understand your reaction :mad2:
 

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i had something to do so i didn't see the game , just highlights and a friend who told me what happened
i'm not really surprised to see controversy about the refereeing
it's been the same in each match
i'm not really bothered because as i said i didn't really want any of these 2 teams to qualify more than the other, but if you were rooting for manchester i understand your reaction :mad2:

I would much rather have Dortmund win the CL than Real. Ronaldo is good, but he gets on my nerves.
 

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The Real -Mu game was a joke. Why do the refs continue to give ridiculous red cards that ruin the game. Nani was just going for the ball. I see guys put there foot up to get the ball like that all the time. It's certainly no red.

Why have a Turkish ref even do these games?

Rooney not starting? But it was working because I don't think Real would have scored. Ronaldo wasn't doing much.

It was a bad decision but few will care about Man United, of all teams, getting mistreated.

I disagree with you: Real were starting to dominate and I think they would've scored one eventually, but probably not two in 90 mins. OTOH Mourinho was putting on Benzema - then sent him back when Modric scored - so he probably would have taken off a defender or more defensive midfielder thus giving United a break opportunity.

BTW hasn't Modric looked good coming on as a sub a couple of times now? Perhaps he should be in the starting 11.
 

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It was a bad decision but few will care about Man United, of all teams, getting mistreated.

I disagree with you: Real were starting to dominate and I think they would've scored one eventually, but probably not two in 90 mins. OTOH Mourinho was putting on Benzema - then sent him back when Modric scored - so he probably would have taken off a defender or more defensive midfielder thus giving United a break opportunity.

BTW hasn't Modric looked good coming on as a sub a couple of times now? Perhaps he should be in the starting 11.

Yea, most fans who don't like United will be happy, but it's not like it was a smaller, underdog team that benefited.

Jose now has two bad calls at OT go his way. Remember against Porto, MU had a goal that wasn't given because of a wrong offside call and then Porto went on to win the CL.

Modric did play well. I guess people in Spain have been saying that he has been a horrible signing, but now he is starting to play better.

Jose said the better team lost. Maybe he is campaigning for the United job. Although, I'll bet he is at Chelsea next year.

Welbeck was said to have started to counteract Alonso's passing, but I don't know why they started Nani over Rooney. That's just ridiculous. Rooney can't play out on the right?
 

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this match was more important to real madrid than it was to manchester united, because manchester united is likely to win the premiere league, while real madrid won't win la liga and they probaby won't win champions league, but mourinho and the club will do anything to win it

anyways, manchester united was almost as white as real madrid in the first leg:

real madrid with 7 whites, 1 black and 3 arabs

manchester united with 6 whites, 1 asian, 3 blacks and 1 mixed brazilian

and they got a good result (a draw in madrid)
benzema played for madrid, that was a big factor too

then in the second leg real madrid was significantly whiter:

real madrid: 8 whites, 2 arabs, 1 black

manchester united: 5 whites, 4 blacks, 1 brazilian mestizo, and giggs (looks white but is 1/4 black)

if you look at it more generally, based only on skin colour you could see that manchester had 5 blacks in the second leg (including the brazilian) and real madrid only 1

and benzema didn't play

so i won't complain about real madrid winning

and i agree about modric, he was bought but he knew that he wouldn't be more than a substitute, not this season, even though he plays well when he comes in

by the way, black defender varane was horrible
dortmund is better than both teams in my opinion
 
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The answer!

To everyone who cannot decide if its good or bad:doh:,regarding Real Madrid's win,here are two pictures:


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Manchester United's squad for 2012/13
7 blacks,3 mulattos,1 asian...A WHOLE TEAM OF NON-WHITES!
And that too after I counted Rafael,Chicharito as white!!

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Real Madrid's squad for 2012/13
1 black,3 mulattos,2 arabs.

I have made my ****ing choice.
 

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PSG reaches the quarter finals with 7 whites, 3 mixed brazilians, and a black defensive midlefielder :thumb:

remember, that's a french club :thumb: so it's the whitest team in the french league, maybe nice are a little whiter, not sure
 

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barcelona-milan in 4 hours :thumb:

"I was looking at the league table earlier and we've scored more goals than anyone else, something like 20 more than the team in second place. If there is one thing that this team does not lack it is goals. We know it is Milan that stand before us, a great side, and small details may decide the tie, but I am convinced that we will have chances.

"If the fans do not believe in us, I would say to them: look at the last four or five years, or even the last 20 or so.
"For 90 years this was a club that never won anything, then Johan Cruyff arrived [in 1988] and changed our history. Then [Franck] Rijkaard, then [Pep] Guardiola and Tito [Vilanova]. You have to have faith in this team. People seem to have short memories, they don't seem to realise that we can do this … and more."
If there seemed to be a spark of indignation, something vindicatory about Piqué's words, he denied that.
Asked if he felt like Barcelona had to get through in order to silence the critics, he replied: "No, not at all. We're top of the table, 13 points ahead of the team in second and we now could go through to the quarter-finals of the Champions League. It's hard? Yes, it's hard, but we can.
"The season has been brilliant, magnificent. We got knocked out of Real Madrid in the Cup, sure. That can happen. But now we want to try to get through against Milan: not to shut people's mouths but because we're ambitious and I am convinced that we can. The pitch will be perfect, the grass short and wet, we're in front of our fans. There are no excuses." The question is how Barcelona approach the game, given the likelihood of Milan playing deep and trying to deny them space, much as they did in the first leg. "We have played against teams that have done that for five years," Piqué said, "and we know how to overcome teams like that, but of course it is difficult. And on this occasion we're talking about Milan: lots of teams do that but few do it as well as Milan.
"We will have to open the pitch out as much as we can. It's a big pitch and we have to take advantage of that; we have to move the ball very quickly. With the players we have up front I trust 100% that we will have many, many chances on goal. We have to pressure high up the pitch and hopefully we can get an early goal – but you never know."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/11/barcelona-gerard-pique-ac-milan
 
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