Tom Brady

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  1. Don Wassall

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    You're right. Brady sat behind Brian Griese for two years, in fact he was third string at that time, then won the starting job over Henson his junior and senior years.
     
  2. Bart

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    Tom Brady is featured in JB's latest column, it is a must read explaining the situation very well. He makes several points but one thought stands alone in my mind. Why the heck isn't Tom Brady a big star? We should see his face all over the TV screen, doing commercials, endorsements and even promotions for the NFL. Vick and McNabb have never won a single Super Bowl and their faces are plastered everywhere. They must be better looking I guess.[​IMG]


    The average person wouldn't recognizeTom Brady's picture if you gave a dozen clues. He should star in the next remake of "The Invisible Man." Walk through a mall sometime and check out the jerseys kids wear. I live in Wisconsin and for every Favre jersey, I see dozens of Vick, Culpepper, McNabb and even McNair but Never -BRADY-what gives?


    We also see basketball names such as Iverson, Bryant, O'Neil etc. but never Nowitzke or Nash. I even see yesterday's names such as Payton, Singletary, Jordan and Perry. These are being worn by white folks. Do you ever see a black wearing a jersey with the name Bird, McHale, Stockton, Clemensor even Peyton Manning? Not in a million years!


    Have we become ashamed or afraid to identify openly with white athletes and heroes? Is the pressure so great in our multi-cult schools, whites are placating blacks to keep their lunch money and teeth? Hey everybody don't beat me up, I'm a wigger, I'm hip. What are we telling the youth of our country? I can't even drive down the street without my car windows vibrating from hip-hop crapand it's usually white kids looking like bobble head dolls. The worst part is they often are girls. What the hell is happening? Beam me up Scotty.
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    Sports Illustrated, whichregularly takes a beating at Caste Football and rightly so for its half-century-plus contributions to building the caste system,deserves credit for naming Tom Brady its 2004 Player of the Year. SI took into consideration not only the regular season (which most NFL awards are based solely on) but also the post-season, where Brady didn't throw a single interception in three games and was the key Patriots player in all three wins. Congratulations to Tom Brady, a class individual who, as J. B. Cash writes, should be the face of the NFL along with Peyton Manning instead of the likes of Moss, Owens, Vick & Co. Edited by: Don Wassall
     
  4. Colonel_Reb

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    I'm going to buy a Brady jersey and a Manning soon. I may even get some throwback Bird and Riggins jerseys. It has gotten horrible Bart, especially with the music. I don't know who coined the phrase self-hate, but it sure fits the attitude that many whites have about white athletes who are more like them than most blacks would be.
     
  5. Bart

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    Col. Reb, I'm with you. Iattendeda family gathering recently. At least a dozen kids were watching a basketball video game and all their favorite players were black. They love McGrady , Shaq and everyone who's not white. When I asked some of them if they liked Nash or Nowitzke, they scrunched their noses and said " Mmm, theyr'e okay. The music playing was jungle jive hip-hop.


    Guess what, for now on instead of givng them money for Christmas and birthdays they are getting jersey's!Why should I give them more cash to buy trash. Whose names... Brady, Manning,Nowitzke, Nash, Urlacher, Stokley and anyone who is white. I'm tired of this garbage. The poor kids are brainwashed fromthe cradle to the grave. Parents dump them off in day care which ismulti-cult, theolder kidsare subjected to Black history month presentations whichin effect are year round. They have nosports heroes or role models who are white except for FavreI guess.
     
  6. Don Wassall

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    As disspiriting as it is to see the devotion to only black athletesshown by so many white kids (and adults), there is a significant portion out there who aren't completely brainwashed. What the percentage is I don't know, but we know they are out there because at various times the jerseys of Alstott, Chrebet, Urlacher, and of late Big Ben, have been at or near the top of best-sellers. I'm sure some of the white QBs like Favre, Manning and maybe Brady are up there too. Here in Western Pennsylvania, practically everyone was wearing some kind of Big Ben jersey or T-shirt by the end of the '04 season, though that may change after showing he's mortal in the playoffs!


    I'll bet a lot of kids would like towear a Stokley jersey. Of course they may not even be available. I tried to buy Patrick Jeffers jerseys for two of my nephews after his great 1999 season, and they were nowhere to be found.
     
  7. Colonel_Reb

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    Oh yeah Don. You can get Stokley jerseys easy. I've seen several on ebay and such. Those Colts jerseys are really cool. I've always liked that look a lot. I guess cause it hasn't changed that much.
     
  8. speedster

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    Oh,Patrick Jeffers.My most recent dissapointment of a white athlete.After the Cowboys aquired him from Denver at the start of 1998 season it seemed the Cow were going to do the same thing Denver did and not play him,but then at the half way point of the season they gave him a shot and,whoa he made some plays.He caught 18 passes the last 8 games and additional 7 receptions in the Cows playoff loss to Arizona.It prompted Troy Aikman to say that Jeffers could propably start the next year,which he did but with Carolina and he had a big year with a thousand yards in receptions and truckload of TD passes.Unfortunately a knee injury finished him for the year in 2000 and he re-injured the knee the following year and his career was done.Big shame.
     
  9. Colonel_Reb

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    Wrong thread speedster, but glad you posted anyway.
     
  10. Bart

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    ThePatriots beat the Steelers in a hard fought game. I like Big Ben but in the fourth quarter with the game on the line Brady went 12-12 executing beautifuly. There are plenty of razzle dazzle QB's in the league but if you want to win games on a consistent basis... Brady is the man.
     
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    probably the best quarterback in the game right now.
     
  12. robcat

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    Tom Brady is as good as Joe Montana, and he is still in his 20s.
     
  13. Colonel Callan

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    Bart, not all of the kids are brainwashed. During last week's Seattle /
    Atlanta game, I was stunned by the behavior of a bunch of guys in their
    20's on the one side of the bar. They booed Vic, laughed at his errors,
    hooted about how overrated he is, ragged on the commentators, you
    name it. I joined right in. A good time was had by all. These guys knew
    the deal. Unlike a friend of mine, who has surprised me again and again
    with his lock step belief in whatever the media trumpets when it comes to
    sports. We were gettin' loud during the Raider / Philly game arguing
    about... Barry Bonds. He came up while I was bemoaning the special
    treatment blacks get, like Vick, McNabb and so on. Next thing I know, out
    comes the "You will never give a black guy credit," defense. Heh, an
    answer that I can shred through facts - and having had to deal with it a
    million times. However, not everyone is brainwashed, not even all of the
    kids. But they do get intimidated. These are the people who will run
    when you try to get them to read one of JB's columns.

    Tom Brady should be the face of the NFL. Three rings in four seasons.
    His 12 for 12 4th quarter yesterday. But all we hear about is the
    supposedly more mobile, run and gun QBs of the "future". Like Vick. It's
    always fun to poke at the sheeple by asking them who they want at the
    helm when the Superbowl is on the line: Vick or McNabb? Or Brady? Or
    Manning? Or Favre... you get the idea.
     
  14. Bart

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    I read that Brady's record as a starter is 50 winsof 65 regular season games. If you count playoffs and Super Bowls it's even more impressive--60 of 75. And yes, he should be the face of the NFL.


    By Joe Bendel TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Thursday, September 22, 2005



    All Ben Roethlisberger needed Wednesday was a Tom Brady bobblehead and an "I love Tom" pin stuck to his shoulder pads while discussing the New England Patriots star.


    "To me, he's the best quarterback in the NFL -- hands down," Roethlisberger said. "People say (Peyton) Manning. Tom Brady is, by far, the best quarterback in the NFL. The things he does, the way he manages a game, manages the offense. It seems like he has a force field around him all the time. It is fun to watch him play."


    Roethlisberger called Brady -- who returns to Heinz Field on Sunday for the first time since leading the Patriots past the Steelers in the AFC title game - Superman.


    "It seems like he can make all the reads before the ball is even snapped," Roethlisberger said. "It's like he has special powers. That's how good he is. Hopefully, our defense will have a bunch of Kryptonite."
     
  15. Extra Point

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    white lightning called it. Brady turned out to be a great quarterback.

    He's played in 6 Super Bowls and won 4. And counting...
     
  16. PHillisFan

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    Brady is a master and one of the best ever. Buffalo knows why he is the king.
     
  17. Average American

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    Greatness is subjective. But I think there are essential must-haves on most football fans' greatest QB list. Montana, Otto Graham, Elway, P.Manning etc.. Great leaders, with championships to their credit.

    But my opinion, Brady is the greatest QB ever.. 6 conference championships, 4 Super Bowl titles. He's done it with a revolving door of receivers who were often virtually unheard of, and vanished after they left New England. He hasn't had a long-term Jerry Rice, Biletnikoff, etc.. no dominant running game to lean on. Granted he's had a great TE later in his career in Gronkowski..

    Brady's pushing 40 yrs old, and is arguably still the best passer in the game; wouldn't surprise me if he wins another Lombardi. At this pace, I'm actually starting to feel Brady is becoming the greatest going away.
     
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    During the “Deflate Gate†investigation, a personal email that Brady sent to a friend was revealed to the public. Below is an excerpt in which Brady stated that he plans to play until his mid-40’s, unlike Peyton Manning…

    "I've got another 7 or 8 years. He has 2. That's the final chapter. Game on."

    Let’s just hope that Gronkowski remains healthy into his 30’s and Edelman/Amendola remain with the team or are replaced by new white WR’s as their careers wind down.

    I do believe that Brady is the best QB to ever play for a number of reasons. The countless championships (division, conference, Superbowl), Superbowl MVP awards, and sheer number of playoff appearances should be enough…now factor in his humility, professionalism, leadership, character, etc. He wasn’t surrounded by offensive talent until 2007 (Welker/Moss) and his teams have rarely had a quality defense. The salary cap era was intended to prevent “dynasties,†but New England is always in the mix with Brady at the helm. Nothing was handed to Brady in his career. It took one team to believe in him (199th overall) and an injury to a franchise QB (Drew Bledsoe) for him to get his chance. The primary reason that the Patriots are a model NFL franchise is because of his hard work.
     
  19. Old Scratch

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    Welker never suffered a single concussion while playing with Brady, as far as I know. Under Manning he got 2 or more and now no team will sign him (I think it's a BS excuse though). Manning also destroyed Collie's career. That's one thing Brady definitely excels at; protecting his guys. Manning throws his guys under the bus and will often put them in unnecessary danger for a couple yards, and will chew out white receivers for any mistake, but he never did so towards blacks like Garcon who made innumerable routine mistakes.

    Brady's demeanor and ability is why he has become my favorite QB ever.
     
  20. Extra Point

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    Tom Brady overcame 5 first half sacks to defeat the Cowboys.

    Brady is unstoppable!
     
  21. Average American

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    Brady surpassed Ray Finkle's arch-nemesis- Marino yesterday on the all-time (passing) TD list, moving into third.

    He still probably needs a couple productive regular, & post, seasons to catch Favre and P. Manning.
     
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    From Brady to MH-17, Power Defines Reality

    Power – far more than fact – determines what is defined as true in America, a nation that has become dangerously disconnected from reality in matters both trivial and important.

    The way it works now is that, in case after case, the more powerful entity in the equation imposes the answer and the rest of us are invited to join in by throwing stones and jeering at the weaker party. Two current examples make the point:

    On the more substantive side, there is the 2014 case of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shot down over eastern Ukraine, killing 298 people – and blamed by U.S. officials and the Western media on ethnic Russian rebels and Russian President Vladimir Putin. (More on that below.)

    On the more personal side is the case of New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, who has been defined by the powerful National Football League as a perjurer for denying under oath the NFL’s scientifically dubious charges that he was part of a scheme to slightly deflate footballs.

    Image: A Malaysia Airways’ Boeing 777 like the one that crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014. (Photo credit: Aero Icarus from Zürich, Switzerland)

    On Monday, a federal appeals court ruled that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had the power to do to Brady or any other player pretty much whatever Goodell wants in acting as judge, jury and executioner.

    In the Brady case, the NFL and Goodell were the stronger parties, so they got to define the reality as far as the major U.S. media was concerned, depicting Brady as a liar and cheater although there was no direct evidence that any footballs had actually been deflated.

    NFL officials, who launched the brouhaha known as “Deflategate,” admitted that they didn’t know that cold air and moisture reduce a football’s internal air pressure. They simply assumed that the drop in PSI, detected at the halftime of the AFC Championship game more than a year ago, could only come from letting air out of the balls.

    A Vendetta on a Roll

    Once the vendetta got started, however, it took on a life of its own. In the major U.S. media, the NFL and Goodell controlled the narrative and – with rival NFL owners playing a significant behind-the-scenes role – engineered both a four-game suspension of Brady and the stripping of draft picks from the Patriots.

    Despite many scientific experts challenging the NFL’s sloppy scientific claims, the U.S. media – from The New York Times to ESPN – took the NFL’s side while fans of other teams joined in the mocking of Brady and laughing at any attempts to apply science and reason to the case.

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    Image: New England Patriot quarterback Tom Brady.

    The NFL and Goodell were allowed to decide what was “true” despite their corrupt role in covering up the dangers from concussions to players. In other words, the NFL’s history of lying on a matter as consequential as the safety of all football players – both amateur and professional – was not taken into account when balancing the league’s credibility against the denials of Brady and two locker-room assistants linked to the supposed scheme to intentionally deflate footballs.

    And, despite all the time and attention this silly scandal absorbed, there was almost no examination of the science involved and no one in the major U.S. media looked at the conflict of interest in rival NFL owners on the NFL’s Management Council pressing Goodell to impose harsh penalties against Brady and the Patriots.

    The Management Council controls whether Goodell gets to keep his $35 million job and these rival owners made anti-Brady recommendations to Goodell as he was considering Brady’s initial appeal of his suspension, according to Goodell’s own appeals decision.

    After Goodell rejected Brady’s appeal – calling Brady’s sworn testimony false – the NFL got to choose which federal court would handle the case, picking one in New York that was known to be heavily pro-management.

    Although District Court Judge Richard Berman last year overturned Brady’s four-game suspension on largely technical grounds, the deck was stacked against the player when the NFL appealed.

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    Image: NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell

    On Monday, the NFL got a 2-to-1 favorable ruling from appellate judges who reinstated Brady’s suspension and asserted that Goodell had nearly unlimited authority in disciplinary matters. [For more on the history, see Consortiumnews.com’s “A Deflategate Slapdown of NFL and MSM.”]

    New Claims on MH-17

    On a far more serious level, there’s the tragic case of MH-17, which has been thrust back into the news by British press reports about an upcoming BBC documentary that cites seven eyewitnesses in Ukraine who reported seeing a warplane in the vicinity on July 17, 2014, just before MH-17 was shot down – and one witness saying he saw the warplane firing what looked like an air-to-air missile.

    That account, if taken seriously, would put another chink in the West’s narrative absolving the U.S.-backed Ukrainian government of any responsibility and blaming ethnic Russian rebels and Putin.

    In the MH-17 equation, the rebels and Putin have been the weaker parties, subject of an intense U.S.-led propaganda campaign aimed at getting Europe to impose economic sanctions that serve a larger neoconservative goal of weakening and destabilizing Russia.

    So, at the time of the shoot-down, eyewitness reports from Ukraine of people seeing one or two Ukrainian warplanes in the sky – a claim apparently backed up by Russian radar – were dismissed in Western media. The Ukrainian government claimed it had no warplanes in the area and that assertion was widely accepted in the West.

    But the regime had turned off its primary radar systems over the area supposedly for reasons of malfunction and maintenance. That left only Ukraine’s secondary radar, which tracked aircraft equipped with transponders such as commercial flights but would not show military aircraft, which don’t identify themselves with transponders for obvious reasons of stealth.

    The Russians said their radar, looking into Ukraine, appeared to detect a possible warplane approaching MH-17, but they said their primary radar was not saved because it was outside their jurisdiction. They offered only the visual screen images, which Western investigators discounted.

    A Divergent Finding

    However, within days of the shoot-down, the official U.S. story blaming Russia and what U.S. intelligence was discovering sharply diverged, a source briefed by U.S. intelligence analysts told me. The source said U.S. spy data revealed what looked like an ambush by a Ukrainian warplane and a ground-to-air missile fired by a rogue element of the Ukrainian military associated with a hardline Ukrainian oligarch.

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    Image: A side-by-side comparison of the Russian presidential jetliner and the Malaysia Airlines plane.

    The source said CIA analysts gave serious weight to the possibility that the attack was originally intended to kill President Putin who was returning from a state visit to South America aboard his official plane with markings similar to MH-17.

    But this analysis contradicted the out-of-the-gate public statements by Secretary of State John Kerry and other senior U.S. officials and thus, the source said, would “reverse the narrative,” making the pro-U.S. Ukrainians look like the bad guys and the Russians not so much.

    So, if the source’s information is correct, the needs of America’s global power took precedence over any mandate for honesty in reporting the facts to the American people and the world’s public, including the families of the MH-17 victims.

    Since summer 2014, the MH-17 investigation has moved at a glacial pace with the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) and a Dutch criminal investigation still not issuing any official findings as to who was responsible.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. government continues to withhold the data that Secretary Kerry cited shortly after the crash, which he claimed implicated the rebels and Russia.

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    Image: Secretary of State John Kerry speaking about the Ukraine crisis on April 24, 2014. (Screenshot from state.gov)

    While Kerry declared that the U.S. government knew almost immediately where the ground-to-air missile was fired, the Dutch Safety Board report last October could only put the firing location within a 320-square-kilometer area (covering both government and rebel territory) and a Dutch intelligence report stated that the only operational missiles in the area capable of downing a plane at 33,000 feet were controlled by the Ukrainian military.

    But the Western media still reports routinely that a “Russian-made” Buk missile was fired from rebel territory, leaving the public impression that the Russians were responsible (although the “Russian-made” element was always misleading because the Ukrainian military also uses “Russian-made” equipment).

    What impact the BBC program may have on the West’s dominant storyline blaming the Russian rebels and Putin is hard to know since the U.S. government has invested so heavily in that narrative and would face a serious loss of credibility by reversing its position at this late date. [For more on this topic, see Consortiumnews.com’s “Kerry Balks at Supplying MH-17 Data.”]

    Plus, there is the arrogance of powerful institutions,whether the NFL or the U.S. government, that they can literally define reality for us commoners — and who’s to stop them. [Also, see Consortiumnews.com’s “A Media Unmoored from Facts.”]

    Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his latest book, America’s Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon andbarnesandnoble.com).

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/from-brady-to-mh-17-power-defines-reality/5522142

     
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    The game in which the footballs were supposedly deflated was a blowout win over the Colts. The Patriots would have won no matter what.

    The attack on Brady by the commissioner is nothing but a witch hunt.
     
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    This also gives ammo to the many Brady and Patriot haters out there. I have already heard the calls on sports squawk radio, calling him a cheater, a fake, a phony. If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious.
     

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