The Brazilian Disease...

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  1. Rebajlo

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    I was looking through this weekend's results from Spain and a particular name sprang out at me from Barcelona's lineup against Almeria - Thiago Alcantara do Nascimento (commonly known as Thiago Alcantara). This twat exemplifies the slower, more subtle erosion of White football identity resulting from the importation of Brazilians (and other non-Whites), who very often remain in Europe after the conclusion of their playing careers.

    Thiago Alcantara was born in Italy, is a "naturalised Spaniard" and has played for Spain at youth and U-21 levels. His father is Mazinho, the black Brazilian ex-international, World Cup-winning midfielder who played club football in Italy and Spain during the 1990s. Here is a photo of this latest "Thiago" with daddy:

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    Funnily enough, I find myself reflexively testing the weight of an imaginary nail-studded baseball bat...




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    In all honesty, I couldn't be bothered to analyse the Europa League quarterfinals, asI believe that the tournament is rather redundant[​IMG], but a quick glance at the teamsheets reveals that the Brazilianstarters on the teams in action numbered as follows:

    Spartak Moscow: 3
    FC Porto: 3
    SC Braga: 7
    Dynamo Kiev: 1
    PSV Eindhoven: 1
    Benfica: 2
    FC Twente: 1
    Villarreal: 0 (Thank God!)

    That's 18 out of 88 starters, or 20.45%. And some people claim that I'm simply"xenophobic", for the Brazilian presence obviously isn't in the least way detrimental to the development of European talent...

    By the way, three of the semifinalists are Portuguese (FC Porto, SC Braga, Benfica) plus Spain's Villarreal.
     
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    Europa League semifinals, first legs.

    Benfica 2 SC Braga 1

    BENFICA

    Started: 9 Whites (3 Portuguese), 1 black, 1 mestizo 2 Brazilians (1 White, 1 black)
    Finished: 6 Whites (1 Portuguese), 2 blacks, 3 mestizos 3 Brazilians (1 White, 2 blacks)

    SC BRAGA:

    Started: 4 Whites (3 Portuguese), 5 blacks, 2 mestizos6 Brazilians (1 White, 3 blacks, 2 mestizos)
    Finished: 4 Whites (3 Portuguese), 5 blacks, 2 mestizos 7 Brazilians (1 White, 4 blacks, 2 mestizos)

    FC Porto 5 Villarreal 1

    FC PORTO:

    Started: 4 Whites (1 Portuguese), 6 blacks, 1 mestizo 3 Brazilians (3 blacks)
    Finished: Unchanged ratios

    VILLARREAL:

    Started: 11 Whites (8 Spaniards) 1 Brazilian (1 White)
    Finished: 10 Whites (7 Spaniards), 1 black

    That's 12 Brazilians out of 44 starters, or 27.272 %...

    Although the Europa League is a patently second-tier tournament, these results unfortunately provide more ammunition for the leftists. FC Porto are allbut through to the final following that big home win. I was really hoping that Villarreal wouldlift the trophy but instead we see the majority-black Porto progressing.

    Benfica hold a one goal lead over the abominably non-White and heavily Brazilian Braga and I amquite"optimistic" that the Lisbon side shallfeature in the final - and shall hopefully win it. This "optimism" is, of course, purely relative - one look at Benfica's personnel on the field at the end of the match should provide a sufficient explanation...
     
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    FC Porto shall play SC Braga in a black Brazilian-soaked Europa League final. This is avery, verydamaging anti-White propaganda coup... [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
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    i'm going to tell you how soccer works: brazilian are the bests
    other south american countries are superior BIG TIME to european soccer players

    they are the best because everyone plays soccer there

    EVERY COMPETITION is won by a southern american player, often white, sometimes non-white (mestizo= indian+black)

    this year:
    messi for champions league
    falcao+hulk for europa league

    last year:
    inter milan won the champions league with a lot of southern americans, and a lot of them were white, of nothern italian descent, or other (julio cesar=italian - lucio=italian - zanetti=italian - cambiasso=italian+french - milito=southern italian - motta=italian - samuel= spanish passport, jew)
    forlan won the europa league (he is french, and italian)
    before there was ronaldinho
    ect ect

    in fact, the more brazilians you have, the more you win


    BUT: it is supposed to be ENGLISH league, SPANISH league, ITALIAN league ect
    so only ENGLISH players should be allowed to play in the ENGLISH league
    it is common sense, and it would be very easy to apply

    but it is important for you to understand: for now, the players that make a team play badly, and lose, are the african players, that are bought by european clubs for no reason, exept their so called "superior athleticism"

    once you understood that, let's take a look at last year's champions league:
    what team included the least non-southern-american blacks? barcelona (abidal+ keita sometimes)
    and who won the champions league? barcelona

    let's take a look at the 2010 champions league: what team had the least non-southern-american blacks? inter milan (etoo, and mourinho cleverly made him play in a more defensive role)
    who won? inter milan

    who will win next year?
    barcelona, because they will have only 1 non-southern-american black

    (excuse my english if you don't understand, english is not my first language, not even my second one)
     
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    frederic38 - Well, that was awfully generous of You to tell me "how soccer works" - after all, what would a dumb-arsed Australian like me know?

    I'd like to believe that the exceedingly arrogant tone of Your statement is a function of Your self-confessed lack of expertise with the Queen's English - and yet Your English seems good enough...

    Forgive me if I appear confrontational and aggressive, butI have the tendency to repay like with like - comprenez-vous ? Now, permit me to address Your idea that Brazilian players are the "bests" and that South American players are "superior BIG TIME" to European players.

    Let's begin with a glaringly obvious statistic: European nations have won 10 World Cups while South American nations have won 9. That's hardly evidence of crushing South American superiority. Even if we disregard the three pre-Second World War tournaments which were blighted by quite limited participation (the vast majority of European nations didn't compete in 1930; champions Uruguay refused to enter in 1934; Uruguay and Argentina did not enter in 1938), the Europeans and South Americans would still be level on 8 apiece. Brazil, however, competed in all three pre-1939 tournaments, yet failed to win a single time, despite having more Brazilians than everyone else...

    Speaking of Brazil's World Cup record, here are a few points to consider (I've already posted this information in another thread some time ago, but I'll say it again as it is germane to the topic at hand). Brazil's population is roughly equal to that of Germany, Italy and Spain combined. In addition, as You implied, the sport is elevated to a quasi-religious status in Brazil that is unseen anywhere else on the planet, which translates into an unparalleled participation rate. Let's compare the World Cup wins of the four nations in question (in descending order of population):

    Brazil: 5

    Germany: 3

    Italy: 4

    Spain: 1

    Ponder that for a moment. Then ponder the following: Brazil "won" the 1994 final against Italy on penalties. Now, if that particular penalty shootout had gone the other way then Italy would currently hold the record for most World Cup wins...

    I wouldn't even say that Brazil is the greatest South American footballing nation. Why? Brazil (population a whopping circa. 190 million!) has won 5 World Cups - whereas Argentina (40 million) has won 2, as has Uruguay (a mere 3.5 million). It is also interesting to note that while Santos have just won the Copa Libertadores, Argentine clubs have won the trophy on 22 occasions while Brazilian clubs have won it 15 times. Uruguayan clubs, with that small population base, have triumphed 8 times.

    How about a look at European club football? If Brazilians are the "best" and "the more Brazilians you have, the more you win" then I'd naturally expect the Portuguese clubs to have a stranglehold on all trophies, wouldn't You think? It may seem a whimsical point, but consider it for a while...

    You mentioned Internazionale's Champions League winning side of 2009-2010. That's an isolated example of a team starting 7 South Americans (3 Brazilians, 4 Argentines) in the final and winning the trophy. They beat Bayern Munich in the decider - but, wait! According to Your theory, Bayern (with their one South American, Argentine Martin Demichelis) shouldn't have got past Lyon in the quarterfinals, given the "French" team's high South American content (3 Brazilians, 1 Argentine). The more Brazilians You have...

    With the exception of Internazionale in 2010, no European Cup / Champions League winner has started more than 3 South Americans in the final since 1960, when Real Madrid fielded Argentines Alfredo Di Stefano and Rogelio Dominguez, Uruguayan Jose Santamaria, and Brazilian Canario in the legendary 7-3 victory over Eintracht Frankfurt. When one removes the Africans from the equation, who does that leave? The answer: European players.

    With regard to the stream ofSouth American players signed by European clubs and their obvious impact on European football, consider this: if the biggest football money was in South America, European players would be signed by South American clubs and we would talk of the impact of the Old World players on the leagues of Argentina, Uruguay and (dare I say it?) Brazil. I'd like to see just how strong the Brazilian national team would be if Brazilian clubs were filled with Spaniards, Italians, Germans, Englishmen, Serbs, et cetera - plus several dozen Africans.

    Now, don't get me wrong - South America produces an endless array of fine players in addition to truly exceptional individuals like Di Stefano, Maradona and, currently, Messi. But it is rather foolish to claim that South Americans (especially Brazilians) are somehow head and shoulders above European players, for the records veritably yell otherwise.

    Look at the 2005 Champions League final. As they featured no South Americans, I guess that Liverpool must have been pretty lucky against an AC Milan side which started 3 magical Brazilians (Dida, Cafu, Kaka) plus Argentine Hernan Crespo. In order to avoid technicalities, we can also count Suriname-born black "Dutchman" Clarence Seedorf to raise the total to five South Americans. Hell, Milan even brought on a fourth superhuman Brazilian, Serginho, near the end of the second half - yet Liverpool still came back from 0-3 down to level the match and eventually win on penalties. Who would have imagined it? Maybe the Liverpool players were armed with Kryptonite?

    How about 2001? Only the Devil knows how Bayern Munich managed to avoid annihilation against a Valencia side containing 4 Argentines (Kily Gonzalez, Pablo Aimar, Roberto Ayala and Mauricio Pellegrino). Maybe Bayern's salvation was their lone Brazilian myrmidon, Elber? Hmm, no... Elber went off in extra time, but they did bring on another Brazilian guaranteed-match-winner in Paulo Sergio - but wait! That particular Brazilian demigod missed the first penalty in the shootout, didn't he? Oh, my...

    The 1999 final between Manchester United and Bayern Munich was South American-free [​IMG]. The Barcelona side which reached the 1994 final contained one Brazilian superman - Romario. Too bad they were belted 4-0 by a South American-less AC Milan.

    By all accounts, Benfica should have pulverised AC Milan in the 1990 edition, as the Portuguese fielded 3 Brazilian internationals (Aldair, Valdo, Ricardo Gomes), while poor old Milan (gasp!) didn't have a single South American, let alone a Brazilian "samba artist", in their lineup! Yet, against such insuperable odds, Milan won the match. Perhaps they should have registered such a miracle with the Vatican... [​IMG]
     
  8. frederic38

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    hello rebajlo
    i'm sorry, i don't speak english well enough so people think i am aggressive when i am not
    i support white teams, like you
    but what i said was true
    let me precise what i wanted to say
    if you look a a match, and you want to know who will win, you have to look at the number of africans blacks and european blacks
    it's a known fact, the less blacks you have, the better you are
    BUT, you have to take another thing into consideration: south america produces players that are partly black, but that are "game breakers", or at least talentfull players
    so, counting the black players is not enough, you have to look at the non southern american players

    then, you have to take the status of the player into consideration
    portuguese clubs don't win every champions league, because they often have bad brazilian players, while spain and italy usually have the best ones
    but, if you look at the money they have, it is very impressive: they won the 2004 champions league, with a combination of excellent european players (the russian, maniche, ect) but also with brazilian players like deco
    and this year, 3 clubs out of 4 in europa league semi finals
    these results are not portugal's result, this happens because they have an amazing number of south americans, and sometimes good ones like hulk and falcao


    as for the number of victory brazil has, yes they dominate soccer: yes they have the biggest number of victories , but they also are favorites EVERY 4 YEARS, this is incredible

    just look at this: 1994: they won
    1998: second (they were better than france, they should have won, and i'm french)
    2002:they won
    2006: quarter finals, they lost because they had a black goalkeeper, and because edmilson was injuried
    2010: quarter finals, they lost because of a red card, and the injury of elano blumer
    these results are amazing

    not only this, but also paraguay did very well in 2010, with a ridiculously low population
    they eliminated spain, but the referee gave the match to spain without even noticing it i think, because of the status of the spanish team (the foul piqué made=red card, not yellow, it's a joke, and he also refused a goal for paraguay)
    uruguay should have beat holland (http://rutube.ru/tracks/4029333.html this is a video i made about the referee's "mistakes")

    also, europe has the largest number of participants to the world cup
    it's OK, but it's easier to win this way

    yes, and it's amazing
    uruguay even won more copa america than brazil
    i think uruguay will win the next copa america by the way

    great accomplishment, but it can't be significant, since the best south americans are in europe, unfortunately

    let's apply what i told you about the number of blacks
    munchen had no african blacks, while lyon had a lot of them
    and the brazilian in french ligue 1 are bad brazilian players, while demichelis is a monster (of northern italian blood)
    BUT, if you look at lyon, their best players eveer, the ones that allowed them to gain respect in the champions league, were brazilians: sonny anderson,edmilson, and juninho, and now lisandro lopez

    not significant, since there is a limit of not europeanplayers per team....3 non europeans per team
    internazionale could play with a lot of south americans because they had european blood, and so they could have european citizenship ( i listed the origins of every player)


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    i agree, and i noticed that the english team for example is less and less skillfull because of that, even the white players are not on the same level as shearer, owen ect


    liverpool had an excellent team, with only one black i think, maybe zero
    milan had a great team too

    kaka for example, is one of those brazilian players that can win a champions league on their own: he did it in 2006 i think (now he is injuried)
    hernan crespo too
    and the two are white
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    "brazilians" that play for european national teams are the ones that are not good enough to play for brazil
    this is why dunga (of german and northern italian descent) said that portugal was the B team of brazil



    again, this example proves my point
    valencia is a team that was nothing, but bought a lot of southern americans, and because of that, managed to attain 2 times the champions league final, that is unbelievable
    and by the way, a lot of those south americans were whites, because they had european cityzenship
    kily=french and spanish
    lopez= spanish
    ayala=spanish
    aimar=italain
    pellegrino= italian



    if we look at the last editions of the champions league:
    2011: messi
    2010:inter full of brazilians and argentineans
    2009:messi
    2008: c.ronaldo
    2007:kaka
    2006: ronaldinho

    we can see that brazilians and argentineans dominate








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    LOL what dumb excuses you made for the mongrel brazilians.

    Everytime they lost, they lost because they were inferior to the side that beat them.

    94 they barely won on penalties, in a game they didnt produce one big chance.
    98 they lost fair and square, france(or should I say Zidane) was much better than them. The mongrel brazilians took a 3-0 beating, again hardly produced any chances, and france played in 10 for 22 min after negro desailly made a dumb foul and was deservedly sent off.
    02 they won.
    06 again they lost fair and square.
    2010 again they lost fair and square, holland dominated them whole game. The red card was totally deserved, the mongrel who collected it couldnt stand that they were dominated by holland and chimped out.

    The mongrel football brazilians are the most overhyped affletes by the marxist media, right there with the afroletes from usa.
     
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    also, donetsk did well in last year's champions league, with bad brazilian players
    and they won the europa league in 2009-2010
    with very bad brazilians
     
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    No european club needs these overated and overhyped mongrel brazilians. These mongrels only steal jobs from White players.
     
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    i agree on that, they steal jobs, and english premier league should be reserved to english players for example

    for example, ukraine produced two wonderfull players, of world class level, rebrov and shevchanko
    now they can't produce them, because there is no ukranian player that plays foward, they are all brazilian or other

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    motta is not naturalised,he is italian, he was born in brasil but he always had italian passport
    amazing white player by the way, it's a shame italy didn't let him play before, while letting play balotelli, and recently they let zarate be selected, zarate is of spanish origin

    rodrigo taddei could have played for italy too, his 4 grand parents were born in italy, he always had italian passport too




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    donetsk, quarter finalist in last champions league, bought another brazilian: alan patrick
    this is world class brazilian
    donetsk will be hard to beat (they were already, but even more)
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    Fair enough, mate. Please accept my apologies for the rather confrontational tone of my previous post. By the way, welcome to the forum. [​IMG]


    Ah, yes, I'm very much aware that the top Brazilian players are with Spanish and Italian clubs - my statement was deliberately loaded to elicit the response about different grades of Brazilian player. [​IMG]The importation of comparatively cheap Brazilians into the so-called "lesser leagues" stifles the development of European players as they are denied places in their own teams. These Brazilians are generally no better than their European counterparts, but:

    (a) they are cheaper; and

    (b) they are often black, mulatto, mestizo or some combination thereof, which serves the usual political purpose of "darkening" European football

    The very fact that they are Brazilian perpetuates the myth of Brazilian football supremacy, undermines European confidence and - conveniently - simultaneously reduces the pool of European players that shall potentially compete against the Brazilians at international level, making their massive 190 million population even more significant.

    As I said in my previous post, the 1994 final could have gone either way in the penalty shootout, so it's not exactly an example of Brazilian domination, is it? [​IMG]

    Now, let me make it clear that I'm not using this as an excuse, but both Roberto Baggio (hamstring) and Paolo Maldini (ankle) were quite heavily injured in the semifinal victory over Bulgaria which was only 4 days before the final, in which they both played. As Italy had used their substitutes in the semi Maldini, despite barely being able to hobble, had to stay on and limped about for the final few minutes - he laterstated that his anklewas "never the same afterwards". If, however, the situations were reversed and two of the Brazilians' most important players had been injured in the semifinal and then played in the final, the meda would have made a very big deal of it in the event of a Brazilian loss (see the final sentence ofmy following paragraph)...

    Brazil was comprehensively beaten by France in the 1998 final. The 3-0 scoreline says it all and no amount of dissection or questing for phantom extenuating factors can erase the reality that this was a heavy defeat. As alln2 pointed out, France was reduced to 10 men in the 68th minute after Marcel Desailly (surely one of the most overrated players of the last 25 years) received a second yellow card. At that point, the score was 2-0 yet the so-called "samba kings" couldn't capitalise on their numerical advantage - as we all know, Emmanuel Petit added a third goal for France in the final minute. Of course, the Brazilians used Ronaldo's supposed pre-match "fit" as one of their many customary excuses for any defeat.

    In their opening match against Turkey in 2002, the Brazilians employed their usual underhanded tactics and received help from the match officials. They were awarded a penalty (which resulted in the winning goal) for a foul which occurred outside the area. But the icing on the cake was Rivaldo's performance when Hakan Unsal harmlessly kicked the ball against his knee - the Brazilian theatrically collapsed clutching his face as if he had been smashed in the mouth with a fence paling, writhing about in apparent agony as the referee sent the Turk off. Afterwards, Rivaldo openly and guiltlessly admitted deceiving the referee. Diving, feigning injury, shirt-pulling, haranguing the officials, constantly attempting to have opposing players booked - that is the "Brazilian way" (and, to a lesser extent, the "South American" way):

    [TUBE]DFq4N6ndzSg[/TUBE]

    But, nevertheless, Brazil reached the final, which they won against Germany so I don't have any further complaints. [​IMG]

    Do You really believe that Brazil only lost that 2006 quarterfinal against "France" because the black Dida was in goal and that Edmilson had to pull out of the squad prior to the tournament due to injury?On the point of Edmilson's absence, I'm not trying to be funny, but aren't the Brazilian supermen supposed to have an unparalleled depth of talent? After all, we are forever being told that they have enough world-class players to field several teams which could win the World Cup. I thought that Brazil lost because they failed to create any chances and simply couldn't contain Zidane...

    Brazil didn't lose to the Netherlands in last year's tournament because of a red card or the absence of Elano Blumer. In the first half, the Netherlands played some really bad football, conceding a laughably soft goal after onlyten minutes. The Dutch looked like they had succumbed to the perennial Brazil-are-unbeatable hype before a ball had even been kicked - but that all changed in the second half. Once the Netherlands came out and started to play their customary confident football Brazil began to look very uncomfortable, as they are wont to do when their opposition isn't psychologically hampered by the media-driven "Brazil mystique".

    After the score was levelled withinten minutes of the restart, the Brazilians started to panic: they were no longer having it all their own way. You see, that's what I hate about the Brazilians - their open arrogance and belittling of opponents, their supercilious conviction that they are always the best and, despite contrary results, their belief that they are always the de facto champions and have a divine right to be viewed as such, a notion which is constantly fuelled by the media in the same manner as black athletic supremacy is promulgated in North American sports.

    The moment the Dutch took the lead, I knew that Brazil were mentally shot and would resort to their dirty, thuggish type - breaking the rhythm of the game with foul after foul, attempting to injure opposing players, pestering the referee and provoking the opposition in the hope of eliciting a sending off to gain a numerical advantage. In other words: the typical Brazilian behaviour which is always conveniently glossed over by the media and ignored by brainwashed fans.

    It came as no surprise when that worthless black prick Felipe Melo stamped on Arjen Robben out of malicious frustration. Yet again, that's the "Brazilian way" - they are always told that they are the best, they tell everyone else that they are the best, but when it is shown to be untrue the bastards behave like the shanty-town scum that they are and cannot stop themselves from lashing out violently...


    Not quite as irrelevant as You may believe. Do You recall the fake passport scandals back at the beginning of last decade? For instance, Uruguay's Alvaro Recoba was banned for (a paltry) four months for using a false passport in order to be counted as an "EU player".

    Following the Bosman decision the only restrictions clubs could impose were those on non-EU players. ButSouth American players were also gaining entry into European clubs by claiming Portuguese, Spanish and Italian citizenship on the basis of ancestry. South American players could also gain citizenship of EU countries if they had played in (and hence resided in) a nation for a certain period of time - for example, Rivaldo was eventually granted Spanish citizenship. This technically allowed them to be counted as "Europeans", thus freeing up non-EU places for other South Americans or Africans - and also meant that a manager could potentially select more than three South Americans, as in the case of Internazionale...

    Now, let's get things straight - I'm not saying that Brazil produces bad players. I'm simply saying that Brazilian players aren't the superior beings the media wishes everyone to believe and that there is no need for the mass importation of Brazilians and other South Americans into European football. The overwhelming majority of Brazilian players in Europe are no better than the European players they displace.

     
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    Here's an interesting idea: as Motta was born in Brazil, he should represent Brazil. Sounds vaguely logical? [​IMG]
     
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    the weak point of brazilian soccer are the free kicks and corners
    in 1998 against france they lost with two corners
    in 2006 they lost on a free kick, and it was a joke of a free kick, every white goal keeper would have intercepted it
    in 2010 on a corner against netherlands



    they are aware of that, and they know it comes from the black players, that are weaker in the airs



    that is why a player like lucio or edmilson is so important



    but they can't have an all white team, because the team is suposed to represent the whole country

    the team is very carefully done, with players from every part of the country


    netherlands was the most cheting country i have seen, and i have seen a lot of cheaters while following south american soccer
    http://rutube.ru/tracks/4029333.html
    felipe melo lost his mind because he xas losing, but also because robben is a very quick-to-the-ground player, he always simulates

    i was surprised to see how the brazilians got no respect from the referees

    in their match against ivory coast they lost kaka
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xgCjciavtk&amp;feature=related

    and elano blumer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-5TuDhGTI4&amp;feature=related


    clubs that buy soccer players obroad destroy local soccer, it's a "no tomorrow" type of management
     
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    if you are familiar with reading between the lines:



    «On a eu une immigration allemande, italienne, polonaise là-bas, expliquait-il récemment à L'Equipe
    Mag. C'est naturel d'avoir davantage de discipline, d'exigence.
    L'idéal, c'est de mêler le talent et l'esprit de haute compétition.
    »

    ="we had german, italian, polish immigration here (the south of brazil) it's natural for us to have more discipline, exigeance
    the ideal is mixing talent (=mestizo players) and fighting spirit (whites)"

    from the coach himself, mano menezes (his real name is venker, he is of german origin)

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    one of the best examples of this is felipe scolari, of italian (veneto) descent: his nickname was "</font></font></font>wooden leg" because he was not very skillfull, but he was also nicknamed "felipao" or "big felipe", because he was a very powerfull player, and good in the airs, and he had charisma
    he even looks like bepe, the symbol of his club, caxias do sul (wich is a caricatural venetian immigrant)
    http://www.sercaxias.com.br/_images/mascote_bepe.jpg


    same thing with manuel pellegrini, the chilean coach
    the other chilean players always said he played soccer because he was educated, had charisma, blue eyes and blond hair
    they said he was really not skillfull
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    you talk about the "brazilian myth"
    what i try to do, is say first why brazil is good at soccer(it's cultural and they have a big population)
    and i try to show that despite what is said about brazilian victories, their soccer is often dominated by white players, but this is never said
    they talk about ronaldo, who was one of the most talented players in the 1990, but never about lucas pezzini leiva, who will win the world cup 2014, and never talk about the european roots that a lot of brazilian players have
    they will never say lucas leiva is from veneto mainly, but they have said that boateng was of ghanean ancestry


    a lot of brazilian club legends and national tem legends are white and often very white




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    Great post Rebajlo. I am sick of Brazil. They are destroying European soccer. Inter Milan is especially a joke. I was watching some 20 year old FA Cup games with almost all British whites and those games were skillful and exciting. 3 foreigners per team will allow all the fans to see all the top foreigners. There are also Americans playing in Europe who aren't any better than the Europeans, but are taking up spots like Eddie Johnson. I don't know if he's still there, but he was there.
     
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    In europe you get better salary on average then in south america,football is very populair there and they have won around half of the world cups and espacially they white and mixed with white players do it great.IF yu want the best team it is possibel that you have as a european team around half of the players south american.It is more easy to find (if you have good scouts)more good price to quality players in the whole world then just inside your own country.

    I did some statistics some time ago and saw that foreign players in the dutch league have better price quality on average , the white dutch second and last non white a dutch passport.But I think this is for every country like this except if you have very bad scouts.The not so good thing is it hurts your national team, for example some not so good prioce to quilty players can imporve tremendeous but if you give them never the chance for some years you will never find out.An advantage for the south american teams is that they don't have so high slary on average to buy european players so much more guys of south american background get the change to develop into a great players.

    Fotball clubs could improve a lot if they didn't look for very early mature kids that look like adult men nearly.I saw in holland to that youth teams of players of 14 years old at pro clubs had players like 8 kilo and 6 cm taller or so then average kids.This means that being very early maturte is the biggest factor in combination with ok skills but only small fraction just really skillfull players without being matured very early.Becaese10 kilos and like 8 cm taller is a small group, being big is good for youth team but doesn't help much your senior team which should be.So you se at the most youth teams that the players look on average like 2 years older then they are.You see at the senior teams that the players aren't so big just normal so it doesn't is smart to look so much at very early matured kids.Oh man you would have so much more talent coming out of the youth teams if you just said: let the youth teams of players of weight and height just of the normal size kids, except if very big kid is very skillfull or very speedy also for the age he looks.Now you get that most players stop already before they are adult becuase they think they never could go pro becuase they played aginst pro team who were much stronger etc. and were intimidated and they dont realisy the probably will look like them too just a bit later.
     
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    Good point Waterbed. They must let the kids grow. Rooney was very mature for his age and was playing in the Prem at 16. I don't think Messi started to really play until he was 19.They should be looking at skill first when the kids are young. They should forget about size.
     
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    about black players avoiding local players to be discovered:
    http://www.lesdessousdusport.fr/real-madrid-raphael-varane-fait-deja-scandale-16027


    "le transfert de l'ex Lensois (18ans) provoque l'inquiétude voire la jalousie des jeunes pousses du centre de formation Merengue. Ainsi, le journal Espagnol Marca révèle que le jeune français bloquerait l'émancipation de deux défenseurs centraux, particulièrement talentueux David Mateos (24 ans) et Nacho (21 ans)"

    "the transfer</span> of former</span> Lens player</span> (</span>18 years old, black, french</span>) makes the young players of madrid's training center anxious, or jealous</span></span>.</span> the</span> Spanish</span> newspaper</span> Marca</span> revealed</span> that the young</span> French</span> avoids</span></span> two</span> central defenders</span>,</span> particularly talented</span> David</span> Mateos</span> (</span>24) and</span> Nacho</span> (21)</span></span> to play"

    they also talked about neymar that should go to madrid and take a place in the team

    in my opinion, it is of course more logical to buy neymar, because he is very talented, and proved this in the copa libertadores
    varane, on the other hand, has no experience, and is not (like neymar) one of the most talented players of the world, and he didn't proved anything
    actually, we know blacks are terrible (not good) as central defenders, and it will be the same for varane

    regarding neymar, he is talented, but physically weak, in the final of the copa libertadores, his coach said in portuguese that neymar was only 60 kg, and that every time a player touched him, he felt on the ground
    he even wanted to substitute him, because he was physically not ready

    so we can say that it is a little too early to buy neymar
    but it is a real joke to buy varane

    also, even if i don't like spanish soccer, i have to say that they are right now considered the bests, with victories in world cup and champions league, with an all-white national team, and a club (fc barcelona) that relies on producing his own players in la masia, with a strong identity
    so there is no reason for them to buy a french defender after world cup 2010, and specially a black central defender (since the begining of the champions league, only 5 teams won with a black central defender)





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    right now, it's half time in brazil between sao paulo and atletico MG
    but this match is special
    rogerio ceni is already the goal keeper that scored the most goals (103 as of now)
    but this match is his match number 1000 with sao paulo
    it's unique
    he is a living god

    he always turned down offers from european clubs, including inter milan in 1997
    a model

    he is of german and italian blood, from pato branco


    you can see some of his goals in this video about the legendary 2005 libertadores (champions league of south america) with also lugano and luizao
    [video=youtube;eu36nF91Ls4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu36nF91Ls4&amp;feature=plcp&amp;context=C34a9f85U DOEgsToPDskJ_lOWXAjuKYvhGmLklO5Rt[/video]

    i hope he wins the libertadores this year with sao paulo
     
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    kleber laube pinheiro has been selected for the first time in the brazilian national team
    he is 21, plays for FCporto, and is of german origin
     
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    things didn't turned as i expected in brasileirao (brazilian league) as sao paulo fc didn't manage to qualify for this year copa libertadores (the champions league of south america)

    if you remember, i said dagoberto, their main star, would win the libertadores this year

    but dagoberto didn't play much at the end of the brasileirao....the reason for this is that he had an agreement with internacional porto alegre to play with them!
    so dagoberto will play for internacional, taffarel's favorite team

    and internacional qualifyed for libertadores, so he can still win it! :biggrin:

    look at his fan club wishing him good luck with his new club :biggrin:

    http://globoesporte.globo.com/futeb...se-despede-de-dagoberto.html#atleta-dagoberto

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah2esm0nEMk&feature=related



    he is of french descent and italian descent (he obtained italian citizenship this year because of his ancestors)

    internacional has a lot of gauchos of german descent, argentinian international bolatti and dallessandro, and uruguayan sorondo
     
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