non political correct IQ study

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  1. waterbed

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    http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

    The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."

    The paper, "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors' reply.

    "Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause," write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.

    "Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even after matching on maternal education and other variables," said Rushton. "Therefore they cannot be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. That's why Jensen and I looked at the genetic hypothesis in detail. We examined 10 categories of evidence."

    1.The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

    "¢Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.

    "¢The Gene-Environment Architecture of IQ is the Same in all Races, and Race Differences are Most Pronounced on More Heritable Abilities. Studies of Black, White, and East Asian twins, for example, show the heritability of IQ is 50% or higher in all races.

    "¢Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.

    "¢Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

    "¢Racial Admixture Studies. Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race "Colored" population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.

    "¢IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages--Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.

    "¢Race Differences in Other "Life-History" Traits. East Asians and Blacks consistently fall at two ends of a continuum with Whites intermediate on 60 measures of maturation, personality, reproduction, and social organization. For example, Black children sit, crawl, walk, and put on their clothes earlier than Whites or East Asians.

    "¢Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.

    "¢Do Culture-Only Theories Explain the Data? Culture-only theories do not explain the highly consistent pattern of race differences in IQ, especially the East Asian data. No interventions such as ending segregation, introducing school busing, or "Head Start" programs have reduced the gaps as culture-only theory would predict.

    In their article, Rushton and Jensen also address some of the policy issues that stem from their conclusions. Their main recommendation is that people be treated as individuals, not as members of groups. They emphasized that their paper pertains only to average differences. They also called for the need to accurately inform the public about the true nature of individual and group differences, genetics and evolutionary biology.

    Rushton and Jensen are well-known for research on racial differences in intelligence. Jensen hypothesized a genetic basis for Black-White IQ differences in his 1969 Harvard Educational Review article. His later books Bias in Mental Tests (1980) and The g Factor (1998), as well as Rushton's (1995) Race, Evolution, and Behavior, show that tests are not biased against English speaking minorities and that Black-White-East Asian differences in brain size and IQ belong in an evolutionary framework
     
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    Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic ( this was the title)
     
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    Go to sites like Steve Sailer and halfsigma.They talk all about this.
     
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    Even this non- political correct study is very "PC", I was part of an IQ study back in the 90's.

    and i was told that the average white man scored "BETWEEN" 100 and 106.

    so, that their doing is showing the low average for white men, too make it look like the Asians score higher than whites.
    all IQ tests have an average "Betweens" not just 100 or 101, it's just more propaganda disgusesed as non-PC.....................Edited by: lost
     
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    I for one am sick of hearing about the high average Asian IQ. So, they have a communal, group oriented culture that adheres to rigorous study, academic achievement, and mimicry. And that communal group think values education, and apparently studying for tests like the IQ. I have appreciation for Asianintroverted thinking: namely that of meditation, contribution to philosophy, religion, etc. But their culture can't hold a candle to European extraverted thinking: developments in mathematics, physics, astrophysics, chemistry, and engineering to name a few. The western man has advantages in the spark of creative genius that has shaped the life and cultures of the whole world. We as group are never reminded of this fact. As students we see the obedient Asian student succeed in undergraduate work but who may falter in graduate work when creativity and inspiration take precedence. Those qualities â€" creativity and inspiration - are the prima factor and are not measured by any test. <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" />
    I wonder how the European IQ has changed since the advent of Cultural Marxism. My guess is that it has lowered with each decade. When every face on the front cover of test prep books such as the SAT and ACT is of a non-white male or female, is it any doubt that whites as a group are not achieving their true potential? Peruse the faces that grace SAT, ACT, GRE or any test prep guide at your local books store and you will surly see Asians, blacks, and Latinos. White males need not apply for those print jobs! Advertising has such powerful suggestive qualities that negatively influence the subconscious of whites.
     
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    The average IQ for Caucasians using the Otis test that was administered to all us poor individuals who either got drafted or enlisted in the Vietnam era was 103.The standard deviation for Caucasians was 15 points. The Asians averaged 106 with a standard deviation of 13 points. There are two fallacies here. First almost all the Asians were Japanese and Chinese. Only North East Asians have an average IQ of 106. If you select out North West Europeans you get an average of 105. Secondly most of the Asians had been recruited by Universities or Corporate Technical departments because they had proven intellectual achievements. So their offspring are likely to have higher than average IQ's for Asians.
     
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    Right.The IQ of Asians vary widely depending on the region. Indian average IQ isn't really that high.
     
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    Later evaluations performed in Japan and Korea and Taiwan placed the IQ of Asian dwelling Asians at 103 the same average as caucasioans. The standard deviation suprisingly remained at 13. ( this aample included a greater range of asian than did the testing in the U.S.)
    I believe the rason that researchers still quote the 106 average is to deflect thje charges of racism that are bond to occur when ever you say whites do anything better than any other ethnic or racial group.
     
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    Even if the orientals do have a slightly higher average IQ than us, Whites are #2 overall. However, if you rank the races by contributions to technology, medicine, industrialization, arts, etc. and rank qualities like compassion, integrity, work ethic...Whites will lead the most catagories by far. The cummulative advantages Whites have (rolling up scoring from the catagories above) is what makes us the superior race...bar NONE![​IMG]

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    You aren't kidding DD! I am sure as hell proud to be what I am.
     
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    yeah they taked the highest of the east asians and not the highest of the whites.For example dutch have average 107.
     
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    and iq is part non genetic, and in a lot of east asian countries school is very very important.
     
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    What I think the test data from Japan shows is that North East Asians score as well as whites but no better. Both groups average a 103 when a Random SAMPLE FROM BOTH GROUPs IS USED. The U. S. sample was not random for the Asians because there would have been a significant number of Asians in the sample that been recruited to the U. S. because they were smarter than average and would thus raise the average for Asians by a few points.
     
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    It depends what type of test it is. Some tests just have you pick the next shape in a line and that has nothing to do with school. You don't even have to know how to read.
     
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    the next shape in the line and such is only a part of an IQ test, as far as i know their are als always elements which education plays a part in too.
     
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    Children of professional,upper income black couples have on average lower SAT scores than children of lower income white people.These black children are not at a disadvantage in schooling. There is a good correlation between Sat and IQ of .81 I think. I'll see if I can find the story on the net.
     
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    It's ridiculous to argue whether blacks have lower IQ's or not. If you can't see that from observance and experience then you are the one with the IQ problem.

    Having said that its not all that important to have a high IQ for many jobs. There are plenty of good jobs that average IQ people can do. The problem is forcing low IQ people into higher IQ jobs due to affimative action. Also lower IQ jobs have been offshored or turned over to illegals.

    In my experience it's not IQ that makes or breaks a good employee but other behaviours, attendence, appearence, attitude, all of which unfortunately blacks are poor at too. Add to that a culture which appeases black poor behaviour and the IQ issue is the least of the worries.

    I think IQ issues are most important when talking about schools and grades. The current fetish for trying to get equal outcomes from kids with unequal abilities is insane. People who support that stuff should be committed.
     
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    jaxvid,

    Agreed. Well said.

    Tom Iron...
     
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    Jaxvid, your analysis on job performance is well stated. The key "behaviors" are work ethic, focus, communication skills & professionalism...also which is lacking amongst our AA propelled "pals".[​IMG]

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