Italian Serie A 2015-16

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  1. Porthos

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    Marchisio is still in. They lost Tevez though in addition to Vidal and Pirlo... They look completely different from last year. Today Juve barely snatched a 1:1 draw at home against Chievo from a dubious penalty. Chievo also had a regular goal disallowed by the referee. Pogba again didn't show anything newsworthy. His quotations must be falling fast. The championship is long, but Juve is now one of the last teams with only 1 point after 3 games. Newspapers are already talking about a "crisis". If they loose badly against ManU, they will be in a full crisis mode.
     
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    Match day 5 in Serie A was played today (except the Empoli - Atalanta game which will be played tomorrow). After today's dissapointing 1:1 draw with Frosinone in Turin (both goals scored by Blanchard, one is own goal), juve is now in 13th place, a whoping 10 points behind Inter (Milan 6 points behind, Roma 7, Napoli 9 points behind). As predicted in the intro, Inter is doing good. Inter won all their games by 1 goal, scoring only 6 goals in 5 games, but conceding only one, confirming that in Italy - the defense wins the title. Fiorentina and the surprising (not for me) Sassuolo are second and third. Balotelli scored his first goal from a free kick and the media are slobbering all over him. Higuain for some reason did not get a call for the Argentine national team which is very surprising.

    Results:Carpi - Napoli 0-0
    Chievo - Torino 1-0
    Fiorentina - Bologna 2- 0
    Inter - Verona 1-0
    Juventus - Frosinone 1-1
    Lazio - Genoa 2-0
    Palermo - Sassuolo 0-1
    Sampdoria - Roma 2-1
    Udinese - Milan 2-3


    1. Inter Milan 5 5 0 0 6 1 15
    2. Fiorentina 5 4 0 1 7 3 12
    3. Sassuolo 5 3 2 0 8 5 11
    4. Chievo 5 3 1 1 9 3 10
    5. Sampdoria 5 3 1 1 11 7 10
    6. Torino 5 3 1 1 9 5 10
    7. AC Milan 5 3 0 2 8 8 9
    8. Lazio 5 3 0 2 6 10 9
    9. AS Roma 5 2 2 1 8 6 8
    10. Palermo 5 2 1 2 6 6 7
    11. Napoli 5 1 3 1 10 6 6
    12. Atalanta 4 1 2 1 5 4 5
    13. Juventus 5 1 2 2 5 5 5
    14. Empoli 4 1 1 2 6 8 4
    15. Verona 5 0 3 2 4 7 3
    16. Udinese 5 1 0 4 4 8 3
    17. Genoa 5 1 0 4 2 6 3
    18. Bologna 5 1 0 4 2 7 3
    19. Carpi 5 0 2 3 5 10 2
    20. Frosinone 5 0 1 4 2 8 1




     
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  5. Porthos

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    Biggest Serie A Flops - flop Criteria:
    - Pay at least 1M Euros annually after tax (this may not be very high for the EPL, but it is enormous for Serie A)
    - Did not play a whole game in at least 5 match days
    - Not currently injured

    Here are the worst flops according to the above criteria:

    - Camilo Zuniga (Black), Napoli, pay 3.2M Euros annually after tax - paid 8.5M Euros from Siena, played the last game on October 19, 2014, no game after that, not even on the bench
    - Alex (Black), Milan, 2.5M - brought for 5.5M Euros from PSG last year (who in turn paid 13M Euros for this player), played a total of 41 minutes
    - Ashley Cole (Black), Roma, 2.3M - brought from Chelsea as a reinforcement but fell out of the squad after only a month or two. Currently not listed even at Roma's website. Roma had to buy Lucas Digne to replace him.
    - Maicon Sisenando (Black), Roma, 1.5M - bought by Man City in 2013 for 14.5 M Euros from Inter, but sold to Roma the next year for 5M, played a total of 1 game (63 min)
    - Jonathan De Guzman (Black), Napoli, 1.5M - brought from Villareal for 10M Euros, played last game on April 4, 2015, against Roma.
     
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    Higuain was very bad for Argentina in the Copa America this past summer, arguably he is *the* reason Argentina lost the final to Chile. If I recal correctly he roofed his penalty at the pivotal moment in the penalty shoot out and from there Argentina lost.

    Higuain was also very bad in the WC Final of 2014. He had 1 or 2 clear chances to win the match for Argentina, but absolutely roofed the ball, then Gotze scored in extra time to win it for Germany.

    Argentina has lost 2 tournaments largely because of Higuain failing to come up at important moments.

    He should be benched in favour of Aguero.
     
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    same reason why hachim mastour is a huge star with a lot of followers, well rated in video games, featured in commercials, making headlines all the time, without having played a single game except 2 minutes for morocco in an international match against lybia
    almost every spanish league club has a starter from north africa
     
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    There are now major concerns about the financial stability of AC Milan. The supposed Thai/Chinese investor - Mr. Bee - who offered almost 500M euros for a 48% of AC Milan earlier this year missed a second deadline for coming up with the money. The plan was for Mr. Bee to build consortium of Asian investors who would buy a 48% stake in AC Milan for almost 500M Euros, and then place the shares on Asian markets for an even higher price. However, following the Asian / Chinese market crisis, it seems the investors did not materialize. The evaluation of 1 Billion euros for AC Milan was always unrealistic. for example - earlier this year, a similar investor Thohir from Indonesia bought 70% of Inter Milan for some 250M Euros (which would mean Inter is worth around 350M Euros), while Juventus stock market valuation is around 500M Euros.
    Berlusconi used his own money for an aggressive transfer campaign paying almost 90M Euros (mainly for 3 players, Carlos Bacca from Sevilla, Romagnoli and Bertolacci from Roma) counting on the money from Mr. Bee. Now he's stranded.
    Ac Milan lost aroung 80M euros last year and accumulated 350M Euros of losses in the last 5-6 years (mostly covered by Berlusconi), but even Silvios pockets are not without a bottom. They don't have a Stadium (plans to build a new stadium have been postponed indefinitely), don't have a single world class player in their roster and are not participating in the European competitions for the second year in a row. They are paying 80M euros for player salaries this year (behind only Juventus and Roma) and may have to sell most of their valuable players in january.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...-next-for-ac-milan-if-mr-bee-decides-to-flee/
     
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    disgusting AS roma fall behind inter milan, fiorentina, and possibly napoli if they win today's match
     
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    The president of Italy's football association is again under fire for making "anti semitic" and "homophobic" remarks.

    On Sunday, the newspaper "Corriere della Sera" reported that, while discussing the sale of an amateur league's headquarters to real estate mogul Cesare Anticoli, he said: "It was bought by that lousy Jew Anticoli." He then went on to comment that Jews must be kept under control.


    The report also quoted Tavecchio as saying: "I don't have anything against gays but it's better to keep them away from me."


    http://www.espnfc.us/italy/story/2693355/italian-fa-president-tavecchio-accused-of-discrimination

    The strange thing is that he was recorded by someone while making these remarks in private. They obviously want to get rid of him for some reason.

    Tavecchio is known for being politically incorrect and was in the middle of a "racist" controversy last year for making remarks about how black players get preferential treatment in Italy by stating:

    “In England, they identify the players coming in and, if they are professional, they are allowed to play. Here instead we get ‘Opti Poba’ <a fictitious African name>, who previously ate bananas and then suddenly becomes a first-team player with Lazio.â€￾
    http://www.theguardian.com/football...an-fa-president-carlo-tavecchio-banana-eaters
     
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    The president of Italy's football association is again under fire for making "anti semitic" and "homophobic" remarks.<br><br><div>On Sunday, the newspaper "Corriere della Sera" reported that, while discussing the sale of an amateur league's headquarters to real estate mogul Cesare Anticoli, he said: "It was bought by that lousy Jew Anticoli." He then went on to comment that Jews must be kept under control.</div><div><br></div><div>The report also quoted Tavecchio as saying: "I don't have anything against gays but it's better to keep them away from me."<br><br></div><div>http://www.espnfc.us/italy/story/2693355/italian-fa-president-tavecchio-accused-of-discrimination<br><br>The strange thing is that he was recorded by someone while making these remarks in private. They obviously want to get rid of him for some reason.<br><br>Tavecchio is known for being politically incorrect and was in the middle of a "racist" controversy last year for making remarks about how black players get preferential treatment in Italy by stating:<br><br><div>“In England, they identify the players coming in and, if they are professional, they are allowed to play. Here instead we get ‘Opti Poba’ &lt;a fictitious African name&gt;, who previously ate bananas and then suddenly becomes a first-team player with Lazio.â€￾</div><div>http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/05/fifa-italian-fa-president-carlo-tavecchio-banana-eaters</div></div><br>

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    The president of the Italian football association, Carlo Tavecchio, is again under fire by the politically correct media for allegedly voicing "antisemitic" and "homophobic" remarks.
    On Sunday, the newspaper "Corriere della Sera" reported that, while discussing the sale of an amateur league's headquarters to real estate boss Cesare Anticoli, he remarked: "It was bought by that lousy Jew Anticoli." He then went on to say how Jews must be kept under control.


    The report also quoted Tavecchio as saying: "I don't have anything against gays but it's better to keep them away from me."

    The strange thing is that he was recorded by someone voicing these opinions in private, so he obviously has stepped on someone's toes and the regime is looking for an excuse to replace him.

    Tavecchio is known for voicing politically incorrect opinions. Last year he was remarking on how Black players get preferential treatment in Serie A:
    “In England, they identify the players coming in and, if they are professional, they are allowed to play. Here instead we get ‘Opti Poba’ (a fictitious African sounding name, P.), who previously ate bananas and then suddenly becomes a first-team player with Lazio.â€￾

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    kondogbia plays, but he has to be the biggest flop of the italian league so far
    he's no longer called in the french national team
    40 millions :lol:

    pogba is looking like a huge flop too
    for the 3rd highest earner in serie A
    100 millions :lol:
     
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    I completely forgot that Kondogbia even existed!:nerd:So many black flops,so little time....:biggrin:


    The thing to watch in Serie A now is AC Milan's 16 year old goalkeeping sensation,Donnarumma:

    https://streamable.com/v8gv
     
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    higuain with a vital goal against udinese:

    https://streamable.com/bz50

    if only napoli could win the league this year :icon_grin:
    it must be one of higuain's best seasons
     
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    napoli takes the lead in serie A
    thanks to a win against internazionale, with 2 goals by higuain, the guy who has the reputation to fail in big matches while actually the opposite might be true
    initially (when he was in his first seasons at real madrid) i used to kind of believe this, but now he has shown at both real madrid and napoli that he is the kind of player you need to win big matches and titles
     
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    Higuain is having an absolutely fabulous season with Napoli and is going from strength to strength. He is the best goalscorer in the league.
    I still cannot believe Real kept Benzema over this guy :doh: It is an absolute crime against football.
    On the other side Pogba continues to disappoint and is having a horrible season. He was again one of the worst players on the field in Juventus' last match against Palermo. Juve should have sold him to some EPL dopey with a lot of money last summer. They tried to pump his value too much and it is now blowing in their faces.
    Balotelli underwent surgery and will not play for a couple of months at least, so we won't be seeing his ugly mug for a while.
    Things are looking good in Serie A.
     
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    Yes,two great goals against title-contenders Inter by Higuain:

    https://streamable.com/d2ra

    https://streamable.com/ut2t

    And great goals too:eyebrows:

    Regarding Pogba,I'd beg to differ with all due respect.I'm not disagreeing on the fact that he's playing badly,but I'm sure that they will still get 60m+ for him,which would still be a record fee for a midfielder.

    But yes things are looking good in Serie A,Balotelli out for the forseeable future,Kondogbia is a massive flop,Nagatomo will surely leave soon..good times:icon_smile:
     
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    I agree that Pogba will get at least 50-60M even if he has an absolutely terrible season. Heck - if ManU paid 80M for that clown Martial - the sky is the limit for black players in EPL. They just cant get enough of these guys. However a few months ago Juventus people allegedly rejected 80-100M offers for him (http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/tran...uventus-reject-80m-pogba-offer-from-barcelona , http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/j...s-e100m-offer-for-paul-pogba-mundo-deportivo/). They were just overwhelmed by greed.

    In the case of black players the media/pundits/football-nomenclature has a selective memory. If they had a decent season followed by 3 horrible ones, they will always be remembered by the good season. I'm sure Balotelli will still be called "super Mario" when he comes back, even though he didn't do anything after scoring those 2 goals to Germany in 2012. The opposite is true for White players (look at Charlie Austin, for example).

    Regarding Higuain, during his first goal you can see his skill when playing with his back against the goal, something you see in very few players these days and requires a superior "footbal brain". The second goal he makes the ball stick perfectly in a difficult situation, then manages to to resist a charge of 2 defenders and places the ball perfectly between the 2 players and the goaly. This guy simply has it all - brains + balls.
     
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    higuain was not in the FIFA or UEFA best 11 of the year, benzema was instead
    this will have to change quickly
    higuain has scored so many important goals for napoli, that add to his title winning goals at real madrid
     
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    I still think 80M is still on the cards for Pogba,specially if PSG steps in.Jews will then say that Pogba didn't flop and just that the Juve team was weakened by the sales of Pirlo,Tevez and Vidal and hence poor Saul cannot be blamed just for having a jewish name.:dodgy:

    Regarding the media's selective memory,this is all to well known.It is in action right now in Higuain's case as Frederic illustrated in the post above.The media will ensure that the only enduring memory Higuain will leave will be that miss against Argentina,even though right now he's one of the best CF's out there,with Lewandowski and Suarez(let Aguero get fit first).
     

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