Deontay Wilder: The Great Black Hope

Discussion in 'Boxing' started by Charles Martel, Aug 16, 2013.

  1. LucasBryant

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    It is fairly typical to have such an opponent after a tough championship fight, Fury deserved the W vs Wilder...hard for anyone to say otherwise and say so while being intellectually honest.
     
  2. Charles Martel

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    Yes. I was hoping Breazeale would prepare well and come in his best shape and beat Wilder, but at the weigh-in he looked to be in poor physical condition. It's pathetic that he didn't put in his best effort to be ready for an opportunity against a heavyweight titleholder as vulnerable and beatable as Wilder.
     
  3. white is right

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    It's fight week and Wilder is "blessing" Luis Ortiz with a rematch for the paper WBC belt. Rematches typically play out with the previous winner beating the losing fighter in a more emphatic fashion than the first time. I expect that this time as Ortiz who is rumored to be in his mid 40's really didn't do anything fundamentally wrong but got caught with a few Wilder wild bar room straight rights. I will say this that Ortiz is leaner than the first fight and his camp claims that they weren't fully fit for the first fight(but does any fighter say anything different. )
     
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    Ortiz looks like he is closer to 50 years old....
     
  5. Charles Martel

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    Wilder likes his opponents to be limited (Molina, Breazeale), shot (Arreola, Lyakhovich, Stiverne), coming off long layoffs (Fury), or in the case of Luis Ortiz, old as the hills.

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  6. white is right

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    Wilder has only taken on one live opponent that was anything close to his prime as was clearly out boxed but Al Haymon got to the officials to influence them to give "close" rounds to Wilder.

    Boxing has an unofficial scouting system with gym spies and the word was out that Ortiz was slipping and the age rumors have plagued him from the get go.

    If anybody wants to know why a guy would lie about his age turning pro, his signing bonus would be much higher at 34 versus nearly 40. A near 40 year old novice would get virtually nothing from a big promoter as a signing bonus.

    PS, Wilder's cruiserweight younger brother was laid out again on his under card. Marsellos was felled by one shot.....https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_...-luis-ortiz-2-live-undercard-results-analysis
     
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  7. Westside

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    To be honest, Wilder has paid his dues. He is at the elite level due to his obvious knock out power. He comes to fight and wreak his opponents. Ortiz who is probably over 40 has a chance. If his condition is improved and uses his boxing skills to avoid Wilder's power shot he can win, as demonstrated by Fury who made Wilder look like an amateur.

    But being 40 is being 40 in boxing. I will state that Wilder removes Ortiz before round 7. But, and it's a huge but if Ortiz boxes and does not get gassed he wins by MD.
     
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    Karnak, lives! Wilder KO's Ortiz round 7. Next up the real Heavyweight Championship with Fury come 2/2020.
     
  9. white is right

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    I was going to say Nostradamus, did you put any green on the fight?

    Seriously Ortiz is a dumb ass, unless he was getting tired. Wilder was missing badly all fight and then he landed three range finding jabs and Ortiz stood their like a cigar store Indian begging to be ktfo, funny thing but my feed froze when he looked like Bambi with the referee counting him out and then it started up again with Ortiz being escorted back to his stool.....
     
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    I just watched the replay. Damn, Ortiz was giving Wilder a boxing lesson and imposing his will on Wilder for almost the complete 7 rounds. He won every round. Then out of now where Wilder drops a bomb on him. LOL Incredible. Fury is better skilled and longer. He should be the favorite. But Wilder does have the power.

    No green on the fight in CA. But if I was in Vegas I would have been 400.00 down!

    Ortiz was not getting tired. It came out of nowhere!
     
  11. NWsoccerfan

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    How is nobody able to drop Wilder? He get's outboxed time after time yet never seems to get hurt. Someone should have been able to catch him by now. He seems to defy all the standard rules of boxing. He's not one of those elusive slick athletic boxers, he literally just swings away for 12 rounds. It's is truly odd.
     
  12. Charles Martel

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    Perhaps some of his opponents have been paid to lose.

    But he's always avoided prime-aged top heavyweights: Parker, Joshua, Ruiz and anyone else who seemed at all dangerous, as well as the older but still very good Wladimir Klitschko who wanted to fight him after Wilder got the WBC belt.

    Fury of course was coming off a long layoff due to drug abuse and mental problems. Let's not forget, Fury lost about 100 pounds in the months before Wilder, and it takes a lot of time to recover one's strength after such a huge weight loss since some muscle disappears with the fat.
     
  13. white is right

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    We talked about this before but he was allowed to grow into his style, his management team literally had him in dark bouts or deep mid card bouts on obscure cable tv for years in tank towns in Mexico and the US. They also hired Shelly Finkel while being a greedy enabler is shrewd when it comes to moving guys and getting guys ranked and matched with the right guys. I know if Wilder gets tagged with a huge right hand he is counting sheep but at the moment there really isn't a huge puncher that is positioned to fight him.

    His brother's chin or lack of one is what Wilder would be if he was in a normal height range for a heavyweight but his punching power is elite and frightening.....

    PS, on the under card broadcast they mentioned Marsellos losing before and compared him to Rudy Clay(Rahman Ali), boxing has a history of an elite brother having a total stiff as a sibling, Ali's brother was so bad he eventually ended up in his entourage as a gopher rather than lose for pennies compared to Ali's millions......
     
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  16. white is right

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    It's not rumored it's a fact. Shelly Finkel openly told reporters Deontay wasn't ready for Klitschko after Wilder beat Stiverne in January of 2015. He basically stated that Wilder was still a work in progress and would fight often to build up the future super fight ie we will wait till Wlad looks like he is obviously slipping then will negotiate for a mega fight.

    This cautious approach backfired as Wlad lost that November to Fury and never got his career back on track.
     

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