2019 NFL Draft

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  1. Leonardfan

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    His "analysis" sucks - just a real know it all always condescending towards white athletes (ala rotoworld). Total adherence to the caste system, the site itself isn't great.
     
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    I can’t believe there’s almost no draft buzz on Chase Hansen, he is versatile and puts up incredible stats every game every season. At 6’3 230 he should be the prototypical linebacker that NFL teams are looking for these days, especially with his great coverage skills.

    Take a look at his stats, if he was black he’d be garnering 1st round attention no doubt. He may reach 20 TFL’s this season.
    https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/chase-hansen-1.html
     
  3. Shadowlight

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    Some drafts are ultra confusing and hard to read and this one coming up is a doozy. While Chase Hansen's name has been curiously missing in draft guru circles the last game Utah played one of the announcers mentioned first or second round material.

    One thing is certain. You would be hard pressed to find a defender who has played as well as him this season. Converted from safety he has a big enough frame to play LB in the NFL. A fly around defender who is always in on the action. Great tackler too.

    My guess is he rockets up the draft board and I don't see him going any lower than the 4th round. If I was the GM of say the Raiders I would nab him in the first round.
     
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    He's another Harrison Smith, but I guess those scouts will say he's old and too easily to get injured.
     
  5. Shadowlight

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    File this under the things you have to do if you are a white skill athlete to get noticed for the draft. UMASS WR Andy Isabella is finally getting some buzz after putting up mind boggling stats.

    Two huge red flags. First he has to stay healthy and I didn't like the limping around late in his last game. And secondly he can't blink. He has to play well to finish the season.

    But if things play out accordingly there is a chance he gets invited to the NFL Combine and gets drafted. But even though the report I read was glowing they emphasized he is a Day 3 pick.

    Best comparison I can come up for Isabella is Tim Dwight, the lightening bolt out of Iowa. Just a real exciting talent. They are both about the same size. Dwight's NFL career was decent but I always thought it could have been better.

    Briefly Dwight played in the NFL from 1998-2007 mainly with the Falcons and Chargers. His first year he mainly returned kicks and punts and had a sizzling 94 yard TD KO return in the Super Bowl against Denver. The only bright moment for the Falcons in a blowout.

    He was a stalwart return man throughout his career and his best seasons at WR were 1999 with the Falcons (32-669-7 league leading 20.9 per catch) and 2003 with the Chargers (50-623-2). I am a little sketchy thinking back but he missed most of the 2004 season and kind of faded out his last few years.

    So I think the Dwight comparison is pretty spot on and here is hoping Isabella follows in is footsteps and has an even better NFL career.
     
  6. Shadowlight

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    Three players of import who played last night --see College Football thread. All MAC players and usually white MAC stars are ignored come draft time (sans Edelman and a few others).

    Sadly there is a huge gulf between what will happen and what should happen in the NFL Draft when it comes to white skill players. Below are three worthy NFL candidates who should be invited to the Combine and drafted.

    RB-AJ Oullette (Ohio). Seemed that Eastern Michigan's RB Ian Eriksen had a leg up on AJ before the season but I think Eriksen has been banged up all season. AJ has a compact frame and is pretty versatile. He has shown he can carry the load for two straight seasons now. I would grade him out as a late round draft choice 6th or 7th round. We will see. White RBs face too many hurdles as we all know.

    WR-Cody Thompson ( Toledo). Much discussed here he has been picking up the pace lately (8-110 last night against a stingy D). He has a gliding smooth running style and just looks like NFL material. Perhaps a slightly smoother version of Chris Hogan. Not a slot but more of a classic WR who can get deep. Good size. I say he deserves to be chosen between the 3rd and 5th rounds.

    Edge-Sutton Smith (N Illinois). Not a true DE due to his size 6'1" 236. As noted Smith had a sack and returned his own blocked punt for a TD. Right there NFL folk should make a note that if all else fails he is prime ST material. But that is short changing him. He is what you call a difference maker and a terror off the edge. He has the kind of quickness and speed where you can scheme him all over the defense. Underrated and the type of white player the NFL Combine routinely neglects. But he better be invited. I grade him out as high as the 1st round through the 3rd round.
     
  7. Bucky

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    Interesting interview with Porter Gustin of USC.

    https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2018/11/porter-gustin/

    What do you worry about, and why?

    • I often worry about the culture and mindset of my current team and the team I will become a part of in the NFL. Too often I see coaches fail to eliminate players that are cancerous to the culture/success of a team due to their elite individual talent. These players are very difficult to motivate and are rarely willing to change their mindset. I have found that if a player like this is not willing to change their attitude for the better of the team, their elite talent is not worth the trouble that they bring to the team .
     
  8. TwentyTwo

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    Thanks y'all! Was curious & checked em out.
    Nothing overly special about DRAFT SCOUT List >According to Site; approx 60 RB's will get an NFL shot Drafted / Priority Free Agent; Free Agent / Try Out
    #RB's
    Former Walk-on Patrick Laird (Cal) is #18 which means he would get Drafted...Early as 5th? or 6/7th? After Ryan Nall being snubbed; makes it more difficult to be optimistic.
    After that...Domanick Bragalone(Lehigh)#28 would be Priority Free Agent just missing being Drafted? The only other FA Listed is AJ Ouellette (Ohio U.) #45....& QB Chandler Burks (Kennesaw St) #50 will get a shot at RB

    #DB's
    With the exception of Andrew Wingard(Wyoming) listed as #4 Strong Safety...not looking promising for Senior DB's; Chase Hansen(Utah) is Listed #3 OLB ; Posted Here on CF Last season as one of the Top Safety Prospects..but has added 10lbs; into a Hybrid LB/SS now up to 230lbs.
    DB's Tanner Muse (Clemson) & Taylor Rapp (Washington) are BOTH Juniors.

    #WR's
    David Sills (West Virginia) is 3rd Ranked WR...Will this translate into a late 1st Round or Early 2nd Round pick?? (Jordy Nelson was 2nd Rd/ 36th Overall Pick)
    Hunter Renfrow (Clemson) at # 7...success of Adam Humphries only helps!
    Cody Thompson (Toledo) #14....before injury seemed like 2nd or 3rd Round pick; he may drop 4th or 5th Round?
    Trent Irwin (Stanford) #18....w/o gaudy numbers ; can still easily envision him on an NFL Team..

    Not another WR Listed until #37 Neil O'Connor (NewHampshire)
    #38 Flynn Nagel (Northwestern)
    #42 Jesper Horsted (Princeton).."Arrow Pointing Up"
    #43 Luke Timian (Indiana)
    #47 Andy Isabella (U.Mass)..."Arrow pointing Up"...leading Receiver in FBS


    How many Walk-ons like RB Patrick Laird or WR Hunter Renfrow are on College Campuses across the Nation ; just waiting for the opportunity??
     
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    Excellent posts gentlemen. I don’t have anything to add at the moment, just enjoyed reading these informative posts.
     
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    Thanks for the info 22, but one thing you have to keep in mind is a ton of overrated "superhero's" that are juniors and RS sophomore's will declare for the draft at non-caste positions -- particularly at RB, DB and WR. So most of the whites you listed will plummet in Draft Scout's Caste rankings well before the Combine.

    Laird will be lucky to rank in the top 35 after these over-hyped scrubs come out. He could run for 1,600 yards in the Pac-10 and dazzle at the Combine, but he'd still rank behind some "superhero" that posted lesser numbers at Northern Iowa, Fordham or Western State (Co.). He'd also be behind 2nd and 3rd string scrubs from the SEC and other top FBS schools, because their "enormous upside" was only stifled due to being behind "generational talents" like Ronald Jones of the Bucs.

    Only way this might change is if retarded whites stop spending big money to attend these racist NFL games in person and tune them out on TV -- even more than we have since 2015. If the Chicago Bears, for example, played in front of Chicago Blitz (USFL) and Chicago Enforcers (XFL) sized crowds I'd assume the racial composition of the roster would be much different and Nall would have been drafted by the 3rd round and seen as a potential modern day Mike Alstott or Larry Csonka?


    P.S: Small bit of good news is I've been watching Boston College quite a bit this season (I've rarely watched college ball in last several years) and Sean McDonough of BSPN said a couple weeks ago that Eagles have a starting DT that coach Addazio fully expects to be drafted in the latter rounds. White DT drafted in this era, that's fairly significant. I don't remember the goys name, but I think he's from California and I am not mixing him up with the DE from Connecticut, who some project as a first rounder. If any figures out who he is, you can immediately add him to CF's NFL Draft Big Board.
     
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  11. Shadowlight

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    There are certain things about this upcoming draft that have left me in the dark. For example S Tanner Muse? He is a junior but for some reason perhaps mistakenly I thought he was entering the 2019 draft. Perhaps he isn't? But for the sake of argument if he is where does that place him? I have no idea. I don't even know if he registers on draft boards?

    And a star like WR Andy Isabella it is like pulling teeth to get the gurus to come out and say "yes he will get drafted." What more does a player have to do to prove he has the goods to play in the NFL? Meanwhile some overrated black WR gets all the love because of some mysterious upside that frankly can't be quantified. We have been over this a million times but it still astonishes me.

    Truth up above makes a salient point. Among the many annoying things that occur pre draft time perhaps the worst is the slew of black underclassmen skill position players (Truth rightfully cites RBs, WRs and DBs) who declare early causing the media to swoon like schoolgirls at a Beatles concert.

    In comes the Black Cavalry so "step aside pedestrian whitey.". It is like you are waiting in line for over an hour to eat and some punk breaks the line and gets in before you. The white athlete grinds his way through four years of hardship and finally reaches the top of the mountain only to see some raw younger unrefined black punk take his place. It annoys the living daylights out of me.
     
  12. Leonardfan

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    I watched Finley vs Wake Forest on Thursday night and have been reading some of the "expert analysis" on him. I actually have to agree that Finley's arm strength is probably average at best. When he was throwing balls to the flat or WR screens the ball took awhile to get there. He is built alot like Luke Falk who was a 6th round pick last year. I have to think that is the range Finley is going to end up in. I will be interested to see what his fastball times in at the Combine.

    Clayton Thorson is another maddening QB to watch - had high hopes for him coming into the season but he has just been too inconsistent for me to think he is anything more than a third day pick.

    Will Grier and Drew Lock are doing their part and really solidifying themselves as first round picks. They each have two games left and have a great shot to continue trending upward. The Ohio St quotaback has cooled down quite a bit so it's nice to see the buzz around him removed. As for underclassmen - Herbert had a strong outing vs. a good Utah team and Daniel Jones had one of the best performances by a QB all year for Duke.


    As for the MAC players:

    Oulette looks more than capable of being an NFL RB - he looked good vs. Miami OH. Cody Thompson continues his return to pre injury form. Both of these guys should be Shrine Bowl invitees and garner combine invites.
     
  13. Leonardfan

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    Spot on! He nailed everything wrong with the sport! What a great answer.
     
  14. Bucky

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    Yes sir. Gustin has a good head on his shoulders.
     
  15. Leonardfan

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    The first 60 (30 offense/30 defense) SB invites went out yesterday. So far three names have been announced - no surprises thus far if you catch my drift.
     
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    I believe Tanner Muse will end up at linebacker. He is one big dude to being played at safety. Let him put on 25lbs. and he's another Clay Matthews.
     
  17. Leonardfan

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    0-9 so far for Senior Bowl invites.
     
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    Senior Bowl Update - now there are 5

    University of Charleston DE John Cominsky
    Kansas St OT Dalton Risner
    UMASS WR Andy Isabella
    QB Trace McSorely - position change?
    QB Clayton Thorson
     
  19. Bucky

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    Wow never heard of Cominsky! Excellent for Isabella to lock up that Senior Bowl Invite!
     
  20. Leonardfan

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    Time to bring WSU QB Gardner Minshew into the draft conversation. The offense he plays in is no less gimmicky than the offenses the hype up quotas are playing in. His production is incredible - he has two things going against him in terms of the heisman - the west coast bias and the fact he is white.
     
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    A few more Senior Bowl invites:

    LSU TE Foster Moreau
    N. Illinois OT Max Scharping
    Michigan DE Chase Winovich
     
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    I was watching Drew Lock yesterday vs Tennessee. Kid looks like the real deal. Too bad his receivers suck or he'd be putting up even better numbers.
     
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    To me the biggest emerging story in the NFL draft is WR Andy Isabella's swift climb up the boards after having one of the best seasons ever by a college wide receiver. It took a herculean effort from Isabella to finally get noticed and his destruction of the Georgia defensive backfield finally got most of the hold overs to admit that he actually "might be good." Black skill position players from big SEC schools are routinely considered "superior" to mere mortals so it was gratifying to see Isabella speed by them and out juke them.

    As mentioned elsewhere there is now talk of Isabella landing as high as the second or third round a very unusual occurrence when it comes to white WRs. Hell I think he looks like first round material.

    I had compared him to former Iowa speedster Tim Dwight. I want to modify that just a bit. I actually think he is a cross between Tim Dwight and Julian Edelman.

    See below a complimentary scouting report on his talents with some video from various games. You can't help but be impressed. He is a wow player that is for sure. You can't help but root hard for this caste buster deluxe. Word is he is now a shoe in for a combine invite.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...rime-example-of-slot-receivers-growing-value/
     
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    It was so obvious it was like a smack in the nose. There was MISS ST. QB Nick Fitzgerald running rough shed over hapless caste infested Mississippi wearing number 7. Switch the channel and there was all everything Taysom Hill wearing number 7. They looked like twins.

    So as 22 pointed out in his college football post announcer Greg McElroy mentioned that the NFL should find a place for Nick Fitzgerald and Taysom Hill's name was brought up. So far so good .

    Then McElroy stepped in it. His solution was to bulk up Fitzgerald and turn him into a TE.

    Gee what made him think that one up? Below are several reasons why only an idiot would bring it up.

    1-He isn't built like any TE in the NFL

    2-Has he ever caught a pass?

    3- He has never blocked

    4-Has he ever run a pass pattern?

    Now lets look at what we know he can do.

    After two consecutive 1000 season rushing here is breaking news. He can run the ball!!!

    An OK QB in a pinch too.

    So it seems like he should be used just like Taysom Hill. I think teams should look at the diversity Hill brings to a line up and start drafting players like Fitzgerald. Use him as a 3rd QB and an all purpose wing back, running back, slot, special teams player. Fitzgerald should thrive in that role at the NFL level. Will coaches and GMs be brave enough to draft him? They should.
     
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    Shadow, this has been going on for a while now, Caste stooges like McElroy projecting athletic, running white quarterbacks as tight ends. As much as I dislike Greg as an analyst, remember before Taysom MOST athletic white quarterback's moved to tight end. Unfortunately that's how NFL does business -- racial stacking.

    Heck, before (and after) the Jaguars selected Matt Jones in round one as a wide receiver most "draft experts" slotted him at tight end....Tim Tebow never got a shot at tailback, power back. Could he have been a LaGarrett Blount type? I thought so. He only got a brief look at H-Back and punt protector with the Caste Jets.

    Less often smaller quarterbacks are moved to slot receiver (i.e. Julian Edleman). Any one else remember how the Rams tried to move mobile Heisman Trophy winner Eric Crouch to receiver after picking him in round 3? When asked by St. Louis media why he couldn't play tailback, the Rams' black RB coach said he's "too small", which is bizarre, considering several hundred blacks much smaller than Crouch have played tailback in the NFL since the 1970 merger. Crouch refused to move from quarterback and retired. After he decided he needed cash, he tried to come back as a safety with the Packers after a stint with Hamburg (NFL Europe).

    Speaking of quarterbacks moving to safety, I recall vividly from the mid-90's, into the 2000's, many teams were looking for their own, modern day Nolan Cromwell. So we saw goys like Scott Frost drafted as a safety (3rd round Jets)....Rams also picked an Ohio State quarterback (Steve Bellisari?) and moved him to safety. Sure there where others I don't remember. But moving athletic college quarterback's to safety is now unacceptable in the NFL. Edleman was probably the last, and he only dabbled at CB.

    Most quarterback's failed after the move to receiver, particularly at tight end, due to issues you brought up -- size, blocking, never caught a ball, ect. Hopefully the new trend is towards Taysom types going forward -- let them run the ball. It's not rocket science, it's just a man running forward with a ball in his hand trying to advance it as far as he can. Why all the racial machinations?
     

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