Zeke Markshausen

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The Bears released QB Mike Teel from Rutgers, and to replace him on the roster signed Zeke Markshausen.

Now Zeke "only" caught 91 balls last year, the 7th highest total in Big 10 history, but went undrafted, which is to be expected for an "undersized" player of his ethnicity. Hopefully he gets a legitimate shot, but considering that he's on Hatie's team, I wouldn't count on him being anything other than training camp fodder.
 

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I'll agree with you on all the players you mentioned having NFL talent except Markshausen. I watched some film of him and I think he is a 6th WR on a team without good WR depth at best. No doubt Mike Hass, Eric Peterman, Jake Sharp and David Ball should be getting PT in the NFL. The worst of these four- David Ball- could still be a QUALITY 3rd WR or not too shabby #2. The others should all be getting starter's level snaps- or in Sharp's case- proving he deserves "AT LEAST" a third of an NFL team's carries.

Hatie Smith is the most racist coach in the NFL though and Chicago fan's are notorious rabid caste hounds I don't see the Hat(i)e in this city improving any time soon.
 

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Dirk and Urlacher need to watch this and see if it causes them to start LOVING their race; they could be lost causes though:

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPBwXKgDTdE[/tube]

I don't like the cold, but I'd live in Siberia with her and start the repopulation!
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Simply one of the best videos I've ever seen.. man has a few tats which adds something IMO.
 

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I think Zeke couldve been a decent slot receiver on a handful of teams, maybe the teams 4th receiver when they run 4 receiver sets could be a great possession guy on underneath routes, he can get a few yac if needed be. He wouldn't be up there with guys like Welker or even Amendola but he could still perform better than some of the NFL's 3rd and 4th receivers. Yes on an ideal team he would be a 6th wideout if you had guys like Hass, Peterman, Ball etc, but not on some of these NFL teams. Hes not THAT bad. He would be like a Lance Moore type, who ive seen in person and the guy is not only short, he has a very thin frame. He has below average speed for an NFL wide out and has average agility, yet he led the Saints in receiving one year. He doesn't even get yac, if there isn't a wide open lane he will just go down, but that year he had 700 yards. Granted he had Brees throw him the ball, but I think Zeke could at least put up around 200 to 300 yards a year on some teams which is better than some guys that were drafted highly like Robiskie etc. He is a receiver that actually fits the stereotype of being a great route runner and being smart and able to find the soft spot in coverage. He won't give you much more than that, I guess a white guy to compare him to would be David Anderson of the Texans. Its not great like Welker or even close to it but its still good enough to be in the NFL imo.
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snow said:
I think Zeke couldve been a decent slot receiver on a handful of teams, maybe the teams 4th receiver when they run 4 receiver sets could be a great possession guy on underneath routes, he can get a few yac if needed be. He wouldn't be up there with guys like Welker or even Amendola but he could still perform better than some of the NFL's 3rd and 4th receivers. Yes on an ideal team he would be a 6th wideout if you had guys like Hass, Peterman, Ball etc, but not on some of these NFL teams. Hes not THAT bad. He would be like a Lance Moore type, who ive seen in person and the guy is not only short, he has a very thin frame. He has below average speed for an NFL wide out and has average agility, yet he led the Saints in receiving one year. He doesn't even get yac, if there isn't a wide open lane he will just go down, but that  year he had 700 yards. Granted he had Brees throw him the ball, but I think Zeke could at least put up around 200 to 300 yards a year on some teams which is better than some guys that were drafted highly like Robiskie etc. He is a receiver that actually fits the stereotype of being a great route runner and being smart and able to find the soft spot in coverage. He won't give you much more than that, I guess a white guy to compare him to would be David Anderson of the Texans. Its not great like Welker or even close to it but its still good enough to be in the NFL imo.

Zeke was helped a lot by the QB play of Kafka and the other WRs. I think Ebert is better than him too and of course Peterman. Yeah, Zeke had a lot of catches, but averaged under 10 YPC. He's not much of a threat after the catch, but has good enough hands, toughness and game smarts to find a soft spot in the D that maybe he could make it as a 5th or 6th WR in the NFL. I just think there are so many white small schoolers that get ignored that are better! Good point on Anderson, but I'd say a poor man's David Anderson is probably a good comparison for Zeke. I like Anderson's short area quickness better.
 

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His ypc was under 10 because he used as an extension of the running game, as their running game was terrible that year, avging 3 ypc with no guy going over 300 yards. Mike Kafka is overrated as qb imo. He is very athletic and has a strong arm, but wasn't that good on short and intermediate routes, which is where Zeke mainly had his plays, alot of catches he had to adjust for which hurts your ability to get yac. When I was watching Peterman, I always wondered why they used CJ Bacher over Kafka, since Bacher couldn't throw a pass over 15 yards, and the few times Kafka played he would launch the ball downfield as well as better running ability, then once he started I realized why, he was good but inconsistent, and despite Bacher's deficiencies, he led NU to 9 wins that year. There weren't too many other good receivers getting significant playing time, Ebert rarely played with 21 catches, the only other threat was Brewer, who probably should be on NFL team himself.

Yes there are a ton of other white receivers that are better that I would rather see get a shot, but the NFL tends to ignore athletic freaks like Peterman. I mean, imagine them trying to explain a white guy that is 6'1 with freakish agility and 4.4 speed, a white Percy Harvin without the injuries. The receivers that usually get a shot have around 4.5 speed or lower (the msm tends to ignore agility and every other drill whites put up great numbers and considers them as not important) and many tend to be under 6 foot, so they can mock their size constantly even though tons of black guys with similar size play. At this point, Zeke has a better shot of getting into the NFL than Peterman, so I would rather settle for that than neither being in the NFL. I am hoping, but I am not holding my breath about Peterman. Peterman and Danny Woodhead would be too much, but we are seeing progress, it just has been several years since he played. Hopefully Sharp is still trying to get into a league, whether it be CFL, UFL etc.

just look at Jake Sharp, totally ignored. He has elite measurables, including 40 yard dash, and isn't 5'9 or shorter. Danny Woodhead is one of the few who are elite in all categories that has gotten a shot, but they constantly talk about his height. Guys like Welker have freakish agility and short area quickness/initial burst but average 40 times. The MSM media doesn't want dwfs to know that there are white football players with the same measurables as black prospects who have elite speed in the 40 as well as better agility times. They want us to think that every white player is deficient in some area, whether it be height, straight line speed etc. even though the 4.5 isn't really being deficient in straight line speed, they just have us think that. So when we try to argue where are the white dbs/rbs/wrs, dwfs will say, where is a guy like Chris Johnson, (which I think Sharp could be like) or where is guy like Moss, which Jones could be with a team using him the same way, or where is a guy like Harvin, which is who Peterman is like. So the answer to the question is they haven't gotten a shot, which their response is "bs, the coaches play the best players to win" Danny Woodhead is finally defying stereotypes, he is like a Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk, but you would get so many people attacking you if you made those comparisons, apparently his ceiling is Kevin Faulk although his ability and playing has shown otherwise.
 

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Woodhead is one of the few players that brings back memories of Barry Sanders for me. Woodhead is actually pretty darn close to Barry in the freakish elusiveness department and is a joy to watch.

Brewer is a guy who could have been a late round gem for a team last year ie. a big guy who can go up and grab/adjust to the ball with solid speed and good hands, but he isn't spectacular (like Todd Blythe he didn't get a shot that a similar black player probably would have in the later rounds- same goes for Nate Swift). The aforementioned guys would have gotten lots of pt in preseason to see if they were in the teams who drafted them's plans and could work their way up the depth charts. Guys like Mike Williams and DeWayne Jarrett of USC and Malcolm Kelly are black guys with a similar skill set drafted high, but didn't pan out. But guys like Plaxico (before his EQ/IQ got in the way) and Kevin Walter DID pan out!

The Harvin/Peterman comparison actually makes a lot of sense. I think dwid made the same comparison on Youtube and I agree, but Peterman's 4.43/4.45 at his Pro Day would be more like a 4.5 at the combine. Still his short area quickness and burst he showed in the agility drills are mesmerizing and VERY similar to Harvin who ran a 4.4 at the combine.

Zeke ran mostly underneath routes with the more athletic receivers going deeper. He has some short area quickness, but not enough to stand him out from the pack of guys in the NFL trying to get playing time. Welker might be used in a similar way to Zeke, but Wes has MUCH more short area quickness and has averaged over 10 YPC each year at the higher level in the NFL and is a BEAST after the catch. Welker still might get his 10+ YPC this year in his bounce back year from a serious injury.

Snow, I've always thought our descriptions of athletes in our scouting is USUALLY similar...Great minds think a like! I haven't watched any film of Zeke recently so I could be remembering wrong because I usually think you're SPOT ON.

And when it comes to Sharp, I haven't thought of a comparison yet. His measureables and ability are very similar to Felix Jones, but Jones has perfected his patience as a runner. Reggie Bush might be a better comparison for Sharp. If Sharp could figure it out his upside could be that of Felix Jones or maybe even better since he runs harder (Jamal Charles, DeAngelo Williams?). Right now I'd predict a Reggie Bush like career (without returner's experience) for Sharp if he doesn't improve his patience and vision as a runner any more.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
 

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Yeah I remember Blythe, saw him in training camp and he looked like a skinnier version of Colston, or a poor man's Colston. He actually looked like a better version of Adrian Arrington, who the Saints drafted in the 7th round and every fan is waiting for him to come off the practice squad and have a monster season....any day now, except he keeps getting injured.


I thought Blythe was better at knowing how to use his size, while Brewer was better at finding the soft spots in coverage, both were good though.
Yeah we usually agree, I should probably go back and look, it has been a while since I have watched film from that season.

As far as Peterman's time, I don't every pro day time would equate to a much slower combine time. Some tracks are slow as well. Ross Lane ran a 4.9 and I know he is a slow guy, but I don't think he wouldve ran borderline 5 seconds at the combine, so I still think Peterman is a sub 4.5 guy. We'll never know because of no invite as well as s Sharp, Woodhead etc. When Kahlil Bell got one, and Benard Scott one, who also d2, put up lesser numbers and had numerous problems going back to junior high. '

I think Sharp would be a little better than Reggie right now, I thought he improved on his patience as a runner as time went on, still there is work to do. He could still return kicks, he did it in high school and I think that is what the Bears tried him out as.
 

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"I think Sharp would be a little better than Reggie right now, I thought he improved on his patience as a runner as time went on, still there is work to do. He could still return kicks, he did it in high school and I think that is what the Bears tried him out as."

Sharp needs to be persistant, work on his hands and his return game and try making an NFL team. I would love to see the Packers maybe bring him in next year as a free agent but doubt that will ever happen. Sharp has elite speed and with the recent success of white speedsters he may be able to catch someones eye!
 
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