west african are faster on avarage

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blacks are naturally faster on avarage

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  1. celticdb15

    celticdb15 Hall of Famer

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    "There could have been over 100 sub-10 guys by now if guys like thesehad committed to track instead"

    HAHAhaha yeah and I wish some of the black LB's would devote themselves to boxing so they could finally make the Heavyweight division competitive......
     
  2. BrockFan

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    Actually, you're not far off. I live in Metro Detroit. There used to be about 40 to 50 boxing gyms stuffed to the gills back in the 70's and 80's. Now there's about 3 or 4,and they're ghost towns.. even The Boxing Jungle on Greenfield that shared space with MMA guys shut down recently.It's like this all over the country.

    Boxing is dead for a reason.. because the cities aren't intereted in the sport anymore.Michael Jordan and Barry Sanders inadvertantly killed the sportin a place whichwas once a boxing mecca.
     
  3. celticdb15

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    "Michael Jordan and Barry Sanders inadvertantly killed the sportin a place whichwas once a boxing mecca."
    HUH?? The Barry Sanders comment somewhat makes sense. But MJ played in Chicago.. Boxing is dead because MMA has taken over and it combines a lot of different aspects of fighting and is more exciting to watch. Not to mention big name boxers take wayyyy to much time off between their bouts. I've seen GSP fight 3 or 4 times this year. Mayweather fights what once a year?
     
  4. jaxvid

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    Yeah, and 70 years ago those gyms were filled with white guys, and white culture decided they didn't want to box either. Only difference is white people (in America) branched out into many other fields and didn't limit their opportunities to footbll and basketball. I know you think this line of thinking is somehow favorible to black people, but it just makes them look stupid, that they can either be athletes and burned out by 30 or boxers and brain dead by 30. Some choice.

    I hope you don't think that lame "caste" way of thinking is going to get any traction here. Boxing, at the heavyweights, isn't devoid of good black boxers because they're all in the NFL or NBA, they are not there because they are athletically inferior to the white boxers of Eastern Europe.
     
  5. BrockFan

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    So you have to be from Chicago to want to "Be Like Mike"? His influence on young people via posters, video tapes, sneakers, and other basketball paraphenaliadidn't cross the borders of Illinois? You don't really believe that, do you?Kids idolized MJ from here to Timbuktu.His moves, and tongue-wagging weremimic'd (and still are)around the globe.The AirJordan phenomena grabbing hold of American youth is what caused kids to leaveboxing gyms in the 90's,forced gyms to shutter, and pushed the sport over the cliffintoobscurity. Now, 10 years later, we're witnessing the after-effect. This all startedLONGbefore MMA became mainstream.

    Boxing's dead because it lacks talent and personalities. Once Mayweather and Pacquieo are gone, it's a wrap. As good as the Klitchkos are, they're now exactly must see tv. The Sugar Ray Leonard's, Marvelous Marvin Haglers's, Tommy Hearns's, the Mike Tyson's, the Spinks brothers, etc., of yesteryear are now all following their hoopdreams.. or gridiron dreams.AfterJordan, kids wanted to be Vince Carter.AfterSanders and Jerry Rice,theywanted to be Randy Moss. Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield couldn't keep the Tyson fans on board 'cuz they have the personalities of doorknobs. No one wants to box anymore 'cuz there's no one to enjoy and idolize.

    If there were more boxers, it's wouldn't matter if they only fought once a year. As much as I like MMA, I'll take late 80's/early 90'sboxing over 2010 MMA any day of the week.
     
  6. jaxvid

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    Why didn't Ken Griffey Jrs. incredible popularity and marketing success plus media blitz encourage black kids to be baseball players?
     
  7. Don Wassall

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    So you sharethe racist,paternalistic thinking of so many white liberals who think any sport not dominated by blacks is because blacks "just aren't interested" in it. That's exactly what you're saying by claiming that because Michael Jordan was so popular, all blacks lost interest in boxing.

    By your logic, the PGA Tour should be 90 percent black by now, and tennis should be a "black thang" because of the great popularity of Tiger Woods and the Williams sisters.

    You also are a typicalanti-white propagandist who believes only black boxers have charisma and "personalities." I could watch the Klitschkos fight every day of the week; what exactly do they lack in your eyes except the acceptable skin color?
     
  8. sport historian

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    During the Duke Lacrosse Hoax, I was reading the Liestoppers forum devoted to the case. A DWF type posted something like, "When African-Americans get interested in lacrosse, they will take it over. Stand back and watch."
     
  9. celticdb15

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    I think corrupt promoters are more to blame for boxing dying out then MJ and Sanders buddy. You say you're from metro Detroit and you named a handful of black boxers that you enjoyed watching. Well here at castefootball, we support our own which I'm guessing is true for you also.
    *Funny you mention that sportshistorian. It really is comical how some people so full heartedly believe the black superiority myth. Do they really think it is possible for 13% of the population to dominate every sport? Just by looking at the numbers it's basically impossible. And people wonder why the quality of some leagues have diminished(cough cough the NBA). It's b\c the rosters are being filled with below average talent..Edited by: celticdb15
     
  10. BrockFan

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    Aren't you also from Metro-Detroit? Can you even name ONE activeboxing gym in the city besides Kronk? And aren't they begging for donations to stay open? You don't find it the least bit peculiar that the decline in American boxing coincided preciselywith innercity kids losing interest in the sport, andthe gym count in a city like Detroit went from 50 to 3 ghost towns that likely won't be open past December?

    If Eastern Europeans areathletically superior, why were their best and brightest, thecrem-de-la-crem of their countries,getting their clocks so immaculately cleanedby black American and Cuban boxers, in the Olympics, for 40 straight years?



    1964 - Black American Heavyweight Joe Frazier beat:


    an Australian in the 2nd round
    a Russian in the 3rd round
    and a German for the Gold



    1968 - Black American Heavyweight George Forman beat:


    a Polish boxer
    a Romanian
    an Italian
    and a Russian for the Gold.



    1972 - Black Cuban Heavyweight Teófilo Stevenson beat:
    a Pole


    an American
    a West German
    and a Romanian for the Gold



    1976 - Black Cuban Heavyweight Teófilo Stevenson beat:


    a Finn
    an American
    and a Romanian for the Gold



    1980 - Black Cuban Heavyweight Teófilo Stevenson (US Boycott) beat:


    a Pole
    a Hungarian
    and a Russian for the Gold



    1984 - Black American Heavyweight Henry Tillman beat:


    a Norweigan
    a Bolivian
    an Italian
    and a Canadian for the Gold



    1984 - Black American Super Heavyweight Tyrell Biggs beat:


    a Puerto Rican
    a Canadian
    a Yugoslavian
    and an Italian for the Gold



    1988 - Black American Heavyweight Ray Mercer beat:


    a Czechoslovakian
    an Italian
    a boxer from Holland
    and a Korean for the Gold



    1988 - Black Canadian Super Heavyweight Lennox Lewis beat:


    a Brit
    a Pole
    and an American for the Gold



    1992 - Black Cuban Heavyweight Felix Savon beat:


    a Pole
    a German
    an American
    a boxer from the Netherlands
    and a Nigerian for the Gold



    1992 - Black Cuban Super Heavyweight Roberto Balado Mendez beat:


    a Canadian
    an American
    a Dane
    and a Nigerian for the Gold



    1996 - Black Cuban Heavyweight Felix Savon beat:


    a boxer from Kyrgyzstan
    a Swede
    a Georgian
    a German
    and a Canadian for the Gold



    1996 - Wladimir Klitschko!


    2000 - Black Cuban Heavyweight Felix Savon beat:


    an American
    a German
    and a Russian for the Gold



    2000 - Black British Super Heavyweight Audley Harrison beat:


    a Russian
    a Ukrainian
    an Italian
    and a boxer from Kyrgyzstan for the Gold



    2004 - Black Cuban Heavyweight Odlanier Solís Fonte beat:


    a Russian
    a Venezuelan
    a Syrian
    and a Belarusan for the Gold


    2004 - Super Heavyweight Alexander Povetkin


    2008 - Heavyweight Rakhim Chakhkiev


    2008 - Super Heavyweight Roberto Cammarelle
     
  11. BrockFan

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    If blacks haven't lost interest in the sport,why is tumbleweed blowing through urban centergyms around the country that were packed a generation ago?This didn't just happen. It started in the 90's (pretty much after the Bulls first 3-peat), and accelerated through the 2nd 3-peat and Vinsanity.Nike,Reebok,The Answer, and David Stern's promo machine killed boxing andit'sprospects in the country.

    Killed black involvement in baseball too, and at the EXACT SAME TIME, but that's for another thread.


    Those are expensive, "country club" sports that are cost prohibitive to most people. Innercity parents are too busy trying to put food on the table and pay their light bills to hop in the Range Rover to drive their daughters to the airport to see them off to NickBollettieri or Rick Macci's Tennis Academies in Florida.

    Also, watchinggolf is like watching paint dry. Throughout the 2000's, Vince Carter highlights were a little more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than a rousing 18 holes of golf.


    Ask the boxing fans who fled from the sport in droves with them at the helm.Madison Avenue could make them household names. Ask them why their Q ratings are too low to even try.
     
  12. snow

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    first of all 40 yard times are different than 100 meter times, two different races. You can't say that any of those guys would be close to 10 seconds flat just because they were faster than Holliday in the 40. Jake Sharp has been timed bw sub 4.3 and 4.4 and ran a 10.6 100 meter dash. You are basically saying since most of those guys never ran college track that it is "untapped potential" yet you claim people mentioning that there are plenty of white guys with untapped potential is just an "assumption"

    if you want proof of white speedsters, plenty are documented on this site

    Oh yeah and just because these guys who do well in the 40 haven't ran college track, it doesn't mean they don't train exclusively for the 40 yard dash, which can raise their draft stock tremendously.

    Just as you claimed blacks aren't interested in stuff like boxing anymore (which is not entirely true, plenty of blacks are still very interested in the sport, I remember this college basketball player about 6 years ago who decided to try his hand in boxing instead of bball, he had relatives in the NBA and had shown promise in basketball. I don't remember him doing well when watching him fight) there are plenty of white kids are who are not interested in the traditional sports such as football, basketball and track like in the past.

    You can read about old time football players such as Archie Manning talking about it "you just don't see white kids playing football as much these days", that they are venturing into other sports such as Lacrosse etc, sports they didn't have when he was a kid.

    There are plenty of white speedsters with similar 40 times, but they usually aren't invited to combines and/or buried on college depth charts and never given a chance to shine, or not given d1 fbs scholarships at all. Where was Jake Sharp's invite? Kahil Bell got one.

    even if blacks had a slight advantage in top end speed in a straight line on average, there are more whites in this country than blacks who are only 13 % of the population, so there should be about the same number of white speedsters. There are, just untapped potential.

    whites on avg seem to have better initial burst, strength, change of direction
    wo losing speed, stamina, hand eye coordination and around the same with vertical jumping. There is no reason for 13% of the population to make up the majority of ppl playing in the most popular sports.

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  13. Don Wassall

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    So you're claiming that all blacks have lost interest in boxing and baseball, and this was because of Michael Jordan. [​IMG] So there are now no blacks in the United States that are interested in any sports except football and basketball, none inspired by the example of say Muhammad Ali, who was more of a superstar than even Jordan? That commonly held belief among DWFs that no blacks are interested in sports they don't dominate is more insulting and racist than anything found on this site.

    You are also perpetuating the myth that all blacks are poor; this isn't the antebellum South anymore, there is a significant and growing black middle class in the U.S. It's also true that the majority of poor in the U.S. are White.

    Whether you like watching golf or not is irrelevant; the reality is that blacks love golf. Many black pro athletes take it up (and most play a lot more like Charles Barkley than they do Rick Rhoden) as do many blacks in general. As a golfer, I can assure you that blacks are found on the links in numbers even higher than their proportion of the U.S. population, yet there is not a black male golfer to be found in the top 500 or so golfers other than one-fourth black Tiger Woods.

    Madison Avenue could make them household names. But doesn't -- interesting. Those disgusting Klitschkos with their Ph.D.s, ability to speak multiple languages, great role models in every way in addition to being unbeatable in the ring; if only they periodically munched on an opponent's ear, and were regularly assaulting people outside the ring, doing various drugs, and spoke in ebonics -- the Madison Avenue boys would be all wet and tingly in their manginas then wouldn't they?Edited by: Don Wassall
     
  14. snow

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    Yes the media portrays fighters like Vitali as boring, with his 97 percent knock out ratio, but had people loving Tyson when he was beating up tomato cans


    btw I don't think Vitali has ever been down on the scorecards, his first loss he was ahead on the scorecards but couldn't continue due to a shoulder injury and was also ahead in his loss to Lennox Lewis which was stopped because of the cuts on his eye. Funny how Lewis refused to give him a rematch and retired after that. I remember Lewis and Holyfield getting tons of hype and coverage in their prime, and they had plenty of fans .
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  15. freedom1

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    Two brothers simultaneously holding heavyweight titles is unprecedented. If they were black, they'd definitely be household names. There's a press black out on them here in the USA. The kids at the high school I work at who are into boxing haven't even heard of the Klitschkos.
     
  16. white is right

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    The Kronk gym died about 12 years ago. Manny now trains his fighters out of suburban regular gym that has a boxing ring. I would say the coaching of Eastern Euro boxing teams have improved. Also you point out any White fighter that a Black American/Caribbean beat. Western European fighters were never as good as the current Eastern European boxers. These countries lacked the participants in the sport that America has had since the mid 60's for Whites and is now starting to get for Blacks. Notice though when White American talent dried up in the mid 60's boxing was never seen as a dead sport it's only now that Black talent is drying up to a point that it's viewed as dead.
     
  17. white lightning

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    Brock Fan needs to go. If you keep posting the garbarge, you can leave the board. It's clear that you are brainwashed like most of the dwfs! Why are you here? You don't apprectiate most white athletes. It's only obvious. You are wasting your time and our time with your stupid posts. Go over to a site where people think like you.
     
  18. The Master

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    Ok guys take it easy :)

    That's not big deal.

    And if black guys are faster so who cares really ?

    I mean it's just sport you know it's not because you run very fast that you are a better human being...
     
  19. white lightning

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    I don't care about which way is true. We all have our thoughts and opinions. Respect has to go both ways though. He is attacking white athletes and white boxers period. That is crossing the line. All I'm saying is he needs to tone it down a little. If he doesn't like white athletes, then why is he here? Some blacks are fast and some whites are fast. If one is faster then so be it. I just don't believe that people should not take up track due to believing that black sprinters are superior. There are many talented sprinters of all colors.
     
  20. white lightning

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    Another day and another coach and his athletes cheating. Most people wonder how many of the sub 10/sub 20 sprinters are clean. Some experts say none. You don't have to get caught to be a cheater. As any person can figure, most that cheat are never caught. I do like it when they catch any cheat. Whether they are black or white. The Performance Enhancing Drugs have ruined the sport that I love.

    I will ask again. If they are so superior, why the need to cheat. So many big names have been caught and that is only the tip of the iceburg.



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    Stewart was kicked out of the sport for life by USADA for obtaining performance-enhancing drugs for his athletes. It was determined by an arbitration panel that he purchased drugs from Angel Memo Heredia who has been named in similar drugs probes of coach Trevor Graham and American sprinter Crystal Cox. Like Graham, Stewart was born in Jamaica.


    "Violating the sacred responsibility and standards of a coach by aiding athletes with doping is truly reprehensible," USADA chief executive Travis Tygart said.


    Steward competed in four Olympics for Jamaica, specializing in the 100 metres. He won a silver medal in the 400-metre relay at the 1984 Games. He was the first athlete to reach three straight Olympic 100 metre finals.


    He joins Graham and Remi Korchemny as the third coach to be banned for life for assisting athletes in getting and injesting drugs.


    Young was on the USA's 1,600-metre, gold-medal relay team at the 2000 Olympics but has since been banned for life for doping.


    Others Stewart coached, include JJ Johnson, a member of the U.S. 2003 world champion 400-metre relay team; Kenny Brokenburr, a member of America's gold-medal, 400-metre team from the 2000 Games; and three-time Olympic medalist Jamaican Beverly McDonald. Stewart and McDonald eventually got married.


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  21. whiteathlete33

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    We have had an infestation of trolls lately. It seems like the same one. It may even be Mr. Goldstein back for more. I'll respond to some of the idiots points though.

    Boxing is dead? Really? I'll admit boxing has lost interest in the US and some of that is due to the gaining popularity of MMA and also the fact that there are few American champs. Pacquiao and Mayweather are not the only two important fighters in boxing. When Pavlik was champ he could sell fights out with ease. The Klitschko's fight mostly in Germany and they are absolutely huge there. They sell out fights all the time and pay per view sales go through the roof in Europe.

    Tomasz Adamek is huge here in the states. I know because I went to one of his fights and there were at least 5,000 Polish fans from all over the country at the fight. The Prudential Center here in Newark, NJ absolutely loves Adamek fighting there because they make huge profits from all the Polish fans.

    His posts and arguments are ridiculous. Boxing has taken a tumble in the US but is very big in Europe.
     
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    BrockFan was a troll from day 1. It was obvious. Now that I called him on it he shows his true colors. Why would a white man be so interested in black men becoming boxers? What is in it for him? Does he get a special thrill from watching africans box and beat white men? Why?

    And who cares about Olympic boxing anyway? It's three rounds judged by politically motivated judges. It's like Olympic basketball, the US dominated in that for 60 years too because the US were the only ones interested in it, now that other countries play notice the difference in the medal count.
     
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    Spain and other European teams have already proved that they can compete with the US team. Basketball is growing in Europe and their teams will only get better. For example, next year there will be quite a few very athletic European prospects such as <a href="http://www.nbadraft.net/players/donatas-motiejunas" target="_blank">Donatas
    Motiejunas and Tomasz Satoransky.
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    the title of this thread is fallacious.

    it doesn't matter what group's "average" is higher, as only the elite runners are competing. as such, they obviously live and compete at the far end of the bell curve, where averages don't come into play. to think otherwise would be to pursue an erroneous argument.

    personally, i think the historical context of the argument illustrates our point better than any other. as so many (more knowledgable than i) posters have pointed out in this thread (and others), blacks have participated in track throughout American history. hell, Jesse Owens was a national hero in "racist" America in the 1930s. yet, despite a level playing field with all races competing, Whites dominated the sprints until the mid-to-late 1960s, setting numerous world records and winning numerous sprint medals in world championships and the Olympics. it was onlyafter the(multi-)cultural revolutionin the '60's that black "supremacy" emerged in the sprints.

    basically, it seems that those who support the notion that black sprinters are "simply faster" than White sprinters believe that, evolutionally speaking, Whitebreeding quit producing fast runners in 1960.

    logically it follows that, if that's not the case, there must be some other reason for the lack of competitive White sprinters at the elite level. and that is the position we at Caste Football feel is more likely. evidence, it seems, would support our position.
     
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    I think the ones with better average are also the ones with the best
    elites,the more difference in average the more likely this is true.In soccer i can't remember a black that was faster then me but i still think their topspeed is a bit better most of the time.what i said before i think it's caste that in teamsports were it's not mostly about topsspeed but also acceleration plays a big part and strength, creativity etc. and that you then see not much whites.A lot say that in the 100 meter, acceleration and decelraion play a big part in the 100 meter but that isn't true.eltie sprinters have often a toppseed of 0.83 and a deceleration pace of 0.85. if you decelerate 0.02 or 0.03 often not makes the diiference, and the commentator would think if you slow down from 0.83 to 0.86 that you have better deceleration pace then someone who slows down from 0.87 to 0.89, because you run faster on the end , so because of good top speed it is cummon to run the deceleration pace faster when you slowed more down then someone with a good decelration pace.

    so i think that 70 blacks have run sub 10 have to be genetic because scouts are not so important in sprinting and don't think caste system in spirintg is like what it is in teamsports where you need a scout.I think caste system is a bit basted on promoting the few thinks blacks have advatage over whites 100 meter sprint, lean black look. It could be that blacvks respond better to steroids but that doens't make sub 10, 70 blacks 0 whites.But I have to say i didn't see much of the black speed in the soccer world cup , also not in sprints against whites from a running start so not a accelration sprint.So that brings a little doubt in me...

    blacks hve the best eliter sprinters and have a musculair look when they are in shape.

    Whites have good strength, quikness first meters , creativity

    east asians : can compete with whites in the long running distances and in the sprints , but don't have a great shot put, 800 meters and other 50% aerobic and 50% non aerobic distances( miidle distance) no great javelin throwers,discuss throwers, but sometijes excetions because of their population which is much bigger then white population.

    In soccer 90% can't compete because the nation average in eight for every country national team is around 5-11, but most average east asian men are 5-7 , but their national teams are as big or nearly as big as the europeans , but their popualtion is not , they compensate it with thier big populaions.
     
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