UEFA EURO 2012

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  1. frederic38

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    the 23 spanish players for the euro champs:
    23 whites

    GK : Casillas (Real Madrid), Reina (Liverpool), Valdés (FC Barcelone).
    defenders : Albiol, Arbeloa, Ramos (Real Madrid), Piqué (FC Barcelone), Alba (Valence), Juanfran (At. Madrid), Martínez (Athletic).
    middlefielders : Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas (FC Barcelone), Alonso (Real Madrid), Cazorla (Málaga).
    forwards : Silva (Manchester City), Jesús Navas, Negredo (Seville), Mata, Torres (Chelsea), Llorente (Athletic), Pedro (FC Barcelone).


    (david silva is partly asian and jesus navas is a gipsy)
     
  2. Irn Bru

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    Baines is not a bad player, but Cole deserves a starting spot. He's getting old, but was still great, both defensively and in support, in Chelsea's recent run.

    It's too bad Johnson saw the pitch so little this year, I think he's the best pure winger England has except maybe Ashley Young. Downing has never impressed me, Milner showed yesterday he has the speed to play, but struggled crossing the ball, and I hate everything about the way Walcott plays.
     
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    http://www.givemefootball.com/inter...t.&state=59b6cb46ebcb4ed292e5a1e34e384162#_=_
    how many blacks were killed when nazi germany hosted the olympic games? :icon_rolleyes:
     
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    They were fine with having the World Cup in South Afrca where literally every day whites are robbed, raped and murdered by blacks.

    In reality there are few race problems in Poland and Ukraine as there are few blacks. But I guarantee there are more black-on-white attacks than the reverse. Also, the white attacks are probably all retaliatory attacks. Over here, they rob, rape and murder white children and the elderly and we do nothing. It is a different story over in Eastern Europe where they still have pride and honor.
     
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    I just watched the BBC feature about "neo-Nazi" football supporters in Ukraine. It showed fans making monkey noises at some black players and hooligans physically assaulting Asian students in the stands. Sol Campbell was interviewed. He said it was "disgusting" and that non-whites should just watch at home as it would be too risky to visit Ukraine. But we heard all this about Germany in 2006. Michael Wilbon, ESPN's most famous black sports pundit, said he wanted to go to Germany but he was afraid.:icon_eek:
     
  6. Zeus

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    Just checked the 23 roster of England for Euro hahahaha.
    One must be crazy to root for that team, it's nearly 40% Negroes if I am not mistaken. It would be a tragedy in such a white dominated competition if England won it, a real tragedy.
     
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    I think that Friedrich had developed a fine partnership with Westermann (another player who has fallen out of favour with Loew following his injury prior to the 2010 World Cup). I am guessing the German coach wants to rely on younger defenders, but I personally don’t buy this argument – quality should always count for something and many players are still in their prime at 30 (or even when they are older than that). I guess many national team coaches still underestimate the quality of the MLS and do not really monitor the performances of footballers in North American leagues.


    That’s right; I forgot that Laurent Blanc will still need to reduce his squad for the actual tournament.



    Yeah, also Pyatov’s goalkeeping style is similar to that of Rybka (they are both very solid in one-on-one situations). Rybka could have been first choice, as Pyatov lost his starting position with Shakhtar.

    Good point, I forgot about Yarmolenko, he should take Rotan’s place in the starting line-up. A rather dangerous player with a good eye for goal (he scored in yesterday’s friendly against Estonia).

    Chygrinskiy has been extremely unlucky…he didn’t get many chances with Barcelona and hasn’t been the same player after his return to the Ukrainian Premier League; it’s almost as if he has lost his nerve. Just a year ago he was possibly the best defender in Ukraine and was regularly praised for his excellent positional sense.

    Tymoshchuk did very well in the Champions League final, managed to neutralize all the attacks on his side of the pitch…..hopefully he won’t lose confidence due to the dramatic penalty shootout loss against Chelsea. He did play as a defender, but at the expense of Van Buyten.

    Bruno Alves is an interesting case, he is the only non-white player on Zenith’s roster (they had a Turk and a Korean a number of seasons ago)….I don’t think that he has had any issues with the Russian fans.


    Interesting list, there are so many dilemmas in cases like that. Kevin Kuranyi had a choice of four different national teams – Brazil, Panama, Hungary and Germany…..he eventually decided to represent Germany and earned 52 caps for them before he was frozen out by Loew in October 2008 (due to refusing to stay for the second half of a friendly match and going back to his hotel after learning that he had been left out of the starting line-up).


    I would say that most Albanians are European-looking, though there are of course borderline cases…from a cultural standpoint, it’s more difficult to say and likely varies a lot (one serious issue is the continued practice of blood vendettas in some southern areas of the country).
    As for Eduardo da Silva, I think that someone classified him as black, but he is actually mestizo, if I am not mistaken….looks can be deceiving at times.


    Russia, as some of my favourite footballers like Denisov, Pavlyuchenko, Arshavin and Shirokov play for them. I like Poland, Ukraine, England, Spain and quite a few other teams as well.
    Regarding Downing – I think that he is underrated on international level. Another reason Hodgson may have decided to include him is due to his diligence and non-disruptive character: Hodgson likes team players who are likely to be unifying figures within the squad (that’s why he also appointed Gary Neville as an assistant). Psychological factors are very important when assembling a squad.

     
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  8. Irn Bru

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    Okay, barring any further injuries and assuming Glen Johnson is healthy, England vs. France and Sweden should look like this:

    Hart
    Johnson-Terry-Cahill-Cole
    Walcott-Parker-Gerrard-Milner
    Young
    Carroll

    Then the team with Rooney back will slot Young in for Milner and Rooney for Young.

    I don't love it, but I have to say, I understand the thinking behind everything. Lampard deserves to be on the pitch a lot more than Walcott does, but I can't see him playing wide in a 4-4-2. Downing will have a chance to prove himself in the other warmup matches, and he'll likely be the first off the bench should Walcott struggle offensively or prove a liability defensively.
     
  9. Europe

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    That's most likely right. I would play Lampard over Gerrard because he has been playing great.

    Most of the blacks are pretty light skinned mixed race blacks on England, so some people looking for the first time might think Walcott and Johnson are white from afar. Cole is very light skinned too. Only Young is very black.

    I was watching some video of Chamberlain and he looks like he has better ball control than Theo.
     
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  10. Irn Bru

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    I would too, but Hodgson named Gerrard captain over Parker, so he pretty much has to start. I also agree that the Ox is better, but his natural position is in the middle and he's still too inexperienced.

    At worst the ratio (7:4) will still be better than last world cup (6:5), and the 2 weakest players on what everyone knows to be a seriously weak England team are Johnson and Walcott.
     
  11. frederic38

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    why do you all put johnson ahead of jones?
    did he play as a titular in some matches?
    if england play with wingers there is no need for johnson, and jones would play
    but if lampard plays, then johnson instead of jones


    england has the blackest roster and might have the blackest starting 11 also
     
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    You're not even a good troll Zeus/Spartan. Strange, given how much practice you have.
     
  14. Zeus

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    I have been in England 4 times, I speak from experience. Most English people would root for David Haye vs Klitschko, they would gladly bash fellow whites as the French or Greeks, but they would not say a single bad word against Negroes. I am not saying that I hold the key or exclusivity of reality and truth, but at least I speak from personal experience. The white English people I HAVE MET, were the worse liberals I have ever talked to. At least white Americans will be realistic and say that they do not like how their society is right now, but they have no other choice since the "label of racist" in USA today, is worse than being a murderer. Now on the other hand the whites Brits I saw, would fill bars and root for David Haye like mad men against a fellow white man and they did the same back in the 90's when I attended another fight between Benn vs Collins.

    You want to call me a troll for my personal experiences? Ok, go ahead and do so, but fact remains that I have been in over 20 countries and the country where I have seen so many white men rooting for a Negro against a white man, so many white women dating blacks and so many whites being ready to lynch you if you say anything negative against their Negroes, is England.

    I am part French, but I could not root for this African mess back in 2006, I did root for my fellow white Italians.............I can't help it man, my white race is my true country :icon_cool:
     
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    I realize that some guys in here see things differently than me and that is 100% RESPECTED from my side, I have never called someone a troll in here, neither I will ever do, last thing I want to do in today's modern society would be to attack fellow whites.

    I am not bragging neither I ever did so, even though some guys took it this way before, but truth and fact is that I have been a member of political parties which are extremist and pro white, I have taken part in protests and political battles in the streets and of course I have served my country and NATO in the special forces and I understand that my views and way of dealing with things is a little too much or more drastic, even for some members in such site, but calling me a troll against my own race is so wrong.

    Like I said, going back to football, France is my second country, I am glad the team is not as black as it used to be, I am glad the 11 team will be majorly white, but if let's say they play in the final against an 100% white team ala Spain or Ukraine, I am rooting for my white guys, that's how it is.

    So my post about England was not an attack against any white British man of this forum, my views are pretty clear by now, no offense was intended.

    I would never root for England, even if they played against an Asian team, too many Negroes in the team for me to root, sorry!
     
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  16. frederic38

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    if the different european nationalities can't compete against eachother, then what's the point of the euro champs? :laugh:

    even if your post really looks like a troll, i agree with you about one thing
    although i never went to england i noticed that the english usually consider the english blacks like true englishmen
    for example here is what assou ekotto (black frenchman) said about the black englishmen:

    also, i can't remember the name of the player, but he was mentionned here
    he had an african name, nigerian i think
    and he made xenophobic comments about ghanians inmigrant suporting ghana while they should have suported england

    ah, i found it: it was a guy named carlton cole:

    in france we have the same thing to a lesser extent with blacks from antilles (thuram for example)

    france was also (and maybe england, not sure) criticized for sending black or arab soldiers to kill german soldiers:

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    but if england wins the euro champs, it wouldn't be a catastrophy, as most of their key players are white
    i can imagine what the media would say though, about the victory of a multicultural england, with young players who are often half black/half white
     
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    Mon pot, let's agree to disagree, obviously our views are way different, ok, ok, I will admit being an extremist in many ways, but being called a troll is so wrong, well for me it is, knowing how much I have done for my race.

    Let me try to explain my logic in here, so maybe you and Matra will understand better.

    If this was the World Cup, where there are fully black African teams, Asian teams, Brazil with an over 50% non white roster, Colombia etc if England won with a roster of 23 being 35-40% black, no it would not be absolutely catastrophic.

    Here we are talking about EURO cup guys, there will be 16 nations, if you combine the 23 roster of the 13 teams (excluding England, Netherlands and France) the white players will make 99% of all rosters.................do you realize how damaging and EXTREMELY dangerous would be if the two most racially diverse teams like England and France made it into the final, while the rest 13 teams are almost fully white?

    All the filthy Jews, self loathing liberals, cultural Marxists would use that in the media to show us all how great diversity is and how an all white country or continent belongs to the past and we should all welcome multiculturalism and diversity in every nation of Europe blah blah.

    Give those people with such an agenda 15-20 years and there will not be a single European nation with a fully white team or even a majorly white team.

    I don't know, I might being a paranoid, but I am sure if someone told to Americans back in the 60's or 70's that their basketball team won't include a single white player, they would laugh right? If someone said to the French or the English back in the 70's or 80's that their teams during the 00's would become majorly black, would think you are a crazy Nazi..........look at us now.


    Don't underestimate the power of the "Satan's" chosen people, always remember that!

    England or even France winning EURO 2012, is bad for our people, think racially guys.

    Race > "country" in 2012, just my opinion.
     
  18. Europe

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    How come everything has to revolve around black.? Now we have to constantly hear about racism in Poland and how black players feel about it instead of the tournament.

    Life now revolves around black people. It's truly pathetic. Europe and America are completely ruined. There is no going back. That means whites genuflecting in front of all minorities until whites are a little minority themselves in their own country.
     
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    Frederic - Very few minorities in England claim to be English. Instead they will often claim to be British - though in reality they don't like that word either. In the UK 'English', 'Welsh', 'Scottish', and 'N Irish' have always carried an implicit ethnic identity. (The left wing nationalists in Wales and Scotland have tried to change that impression by officially welcoming multiculturalism - though not so much in practice. In reality their political nationalism is just anti-Englishism). So the word 'British' sounds less exclusive, less ethnic, to the descendants of the old British Empire who live in the UK. After all they say 'British' already refers to four different nationalities so why not more than four. So they figure they can also sneak in under the increasingly elastic 'British' label.

    Europe - probably because blacks are useful to the Left as political and cultural battering rams.
     
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    Although I've lived in the US almost my whole life, my mom's Scottish and my dad's English. I'm proud of my heritage so I support England and Scotland internationally. I don't care if any of you do, it's your prerogative to support whoever you like.

    That said, I don't have a big problem with the current makeup of the team for a few reasons:
    1) England has always played at least a few blacks my entire life, and although the ratio seems to be getting somewhat worse over time, the stars are still overwhelmingly white.
    2) Unlike France, the blacks on the team don't seem to be thugs like the ones who turned on the French team last WC. Also, if you think for a second players like Gerrard or Terry would stand for such behavior, you're out of your mind.
    3) I know this won't be popular, but I don't have a big problem with non-ethnically British people assimilating into the British culture. France's blacks in 2010 seemed to be 90% people born in other countries, often Muslims, who didn't care about their country. The same thing seems to be true with people like Ozil and Khedeira on Germany. I'd still like the team to reflect the ethnic makeup of the country, but I'm realistic in my expectations.
     
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    Now Lampard is injured and may not play. First Barry and now Lampard. Throw in Wilshere too.

    "Unlike France, the blacks on the team don't seem to be thugs like the ones who turned on the French team last WC. Also, if you think for a second players like Gerrard or Terry would stand for such behavior, you're out of your mind. "

    Guys like Walcott, Cole and David James, when he was on the team, don't get on my nerves. I don't cringe like I do with Balotelli.
     
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    Assimilation can be a form of genocide if there are too many doing the assimilating. As Enoch Powell said "numbers are of the essence". Unfortunately the numbers are out of whack.

    I'll probably be cheering against England, France and Italy (because of one particularly obnoxious player).
     
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    Good point.Look at LA. That city has been taken over and that will happen to the country. I would have kept nonwhites to a max of 1% of the population if England had to let any in.

    I wouldn't even want Italians or Germans to to take over the UK and vice versa.
     
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    I don't dissagree, which is why it's critical to have a dominant native culture. I'd much prefer a strong assimilationist culture over the idiocy of multiculturalism.

    Going along with my earlier point, all the English players sing the national anthem regardless of race, while most of the French players and others like Ozil and Khedeira wouldn't sing theirs.
     
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    true, and you probably have no idea how many french players currently play for african national teams
    for example i counted in the last african cup of nations: 12 players out of 23 for morocco
    probably even more for algeria
    6-8 in the mali national team
    there are french players in every african national team

    we even have french players in other european national teams, like poland (obraniak or perquis) petit in portugal...


    arab players like nasri, benzema or ben arfa are very popular amongst french arabs, but most also hate them because they don't play for their real country (algeria, tunisia...)

    the national anthem booed in france by algerian, then moroccan, then tunisian:

    [video=youtube_share;I0RrhBrMXbw]http://youtu.be/I0RrhBrMXbw[/video]

    each match was played in the biggest french stadium

    algeria-france in 2001:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...MoIEdL_GTu83A0Di5tXefwwFqi3cZqCncZ0LXoBAI#_=_

    the match had to be stopped because the suporters (who booed the french anthem) invaded the field

    france-tunisia:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7...4FhmfUucWG_BXx1WvVDRgFsUpW_u6UU7z6HTm8bN8#_=_

    ben arfa was the most booed player in this match because he is seen as a traitor (he is of tunisian origin)

    france-morocco:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3...eXu1D6CY-Ol3ATxlmgAGktYAmC2ORYfYmSUpR459A#_=_

    it would be the same for a portugal-france match
    there was a paris saint germain-benfica match this season, and the french club played both matches with portuguese suporters
    this was in france: http://youtu.be/3OlkxmvucWg
    there was almost no french suporters
    are these portuguese suporters aware that there are no portuguese player in benfica? :icon_grin:
    when i ask them, they tell me that brazilians are like cousins for them :der:


    it would be the same for an italy-france match played in my city where there are a lot of italian inmigrants

    but these inmigrants are all french and were born in france, often even their grand parents are french
    the jews want them to assimilate
    assimilation would mean that france would become an african country
     

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