UEFA EURO 2012

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  1. Rebajlo

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    Porthos -

    Flares are in use all over Poland, particularly in the lower divisions. Here are a couple of examples:

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    In my opinion, flares have no place at the football and should be banned...

    Throwing bananas is exactly the kind of boneheaded action UEFA are waiting for. Anyone who engages in the lobbing of fruit and "monkey chanting" is playing right into the hands of groups like FARE.

    If fans wish to voice their disgust at the presence of blacks, wouldn't it be better to employ methods which are more difficult for UEFA and their lackeys to condemn? For instance, Balotelli could be pointedly whistled every time he gets anywhere near the ball, his misses and gaffes being met with mocking laughter.

    That way, when UEFA and the multitudes of "anit-racist" organisations inevitably take umbrage, representatives of fan groups can simply smile and say "well, where's the 'racism'? We were giving the opposition's striker a hard time, that's all. Don't you know it's customary to whistle when the opposition is in possession? Can't we support our team anymore?"

    Such an approach openly and unambiguously conveys the necessary hatred of Negroes, yet makes UEFA's position a lot harder, for what are they going to do? Ban whistling? Ban booing? Enforce strict silence apart from cheering for non-Whites? It's all about employing a more cerebral method which can reverse the situation and make UEFA look unreasonable.

    By the way, if Croatian fans are such bloody hard-core "racists", why don't they dish out the same treatment to that black Brazilian ponce Eduardo? Oh, I know, he plays for their nation. That's the problem with White fans - hypocrisy. Everyone is a dyed in the wool White supremacist - until a black scores for their team, that is. I'll bet those banana-hurling Croatians would be more than happy if Eduardo netted the winner in a match against Serbia...
     
  2. Giles Daldanus

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    Interesting, “Gypsy” could sometimes be used as a term of endearment in Eastern Europe (people in the same family may have slightly different hair textures and skin colours, so it’s a way to tease the siblings), though at times it may also be taken the wrong way, especially if those engaged in the conversation don’t know each other well. Darker-featured players may on occasions be called Gypsies by opposition supporters even if there is no scientific or cultural basis for that. However, if Baros considered it a form of racial abuse, then he likely identifies with the Romani community.

    Thanks, I have always been fascinated with the etymology and history of last names, France is characterized by a lot of regional diversity and the family names seem to reflect that…it’s good that a player like Giroud who is truly French and played for your local club is now in the spotlight, as he is easy to root for.

    R.I.P. Roland, he appears to have been a rather charismatic commentator!

    Nah, I don’t find it too problematic when footballers like Holebas play for European teams, as they are not mercenaries in the conventional sense (like some of the South American and African footballers who were bought by Qatar and even given Muslim names) due to having strong family ties with the country they are representing.

    Zeus, thanks for clarifying! Now I recall that Greece had another player with a name ending in -glou (Christos Patsatzoglou) who was of Romani descent. Names like Süleymanoğlu are sterorypically Turkish, but some Gypsy people may also have them.

    Hehe, good point, Turkey vs. Greece is a major rivalry (not only in football).

    Even if Greece do not manage to advance, they deserve a lot of credit, as from an ethnic standpoint they are very homogeneous side (95% of their footballers are ethnic Greeks), so you should keep your head high! :)

    Btw, my impression is that @Rebajlo has a lot of sympathy for all European ethnicities, I don’t think that he intended to disparage Greeks as a whole, as the Greek community in Australia might in some respects be unrepresentative of Greeks worldwide due to the nature of its political orientations (though I realize that there is a diversity of views even within it).

    I do find Greeks to have a rather distinctive look…I would rarely mistake them for other ethnicities.


    As for Klose, he reminds me of a Polish classmate I had, he definitely gives off an Eastern European vibe (in terms of physical appearance), but he seems to be quite patriotic and enjoys representing Germany. However, Poland would have really benefited if he had chosen to ply his trade for them on the international stage.

    I felt sad for Sweden; a draw would have been a fair result and would have left the group wide open for all teams…on the plus side, Olof Mellberg is another player who proved that relatively advanced age is in no way an impediment when it comes to football, he put in a MOTM performance.

    Ireland and Sweden are the first two teams to have been eliminated from the tournament, but they have nothing to be ashamed of and I hope they bounce back in the 2014 World Cup qualifiers.
     
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  3. Rebajlo

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    In their match against Sweden, England started six Whites and five blacks (which, believe it or not, "improved" on their opening game). Once Theo Walcott replaced James Milner in the second half, the ratio switched to five Whites and six Negroes and so it remained as the only other substitution was Alex oxlade-Chamberlain for Danny Welbeck in the 90th minute. Seven of the eight blacks received game time.

    Once again, I'm too disgusted to comment any further - apart from saying that Andy Carroll's monster header was top-draw. At least Rooney shall be back in the team for the final match against Ukraine...

    Speaking of Ukraine, their performance against France was pretty poor - the defence looked awful. Worst luck, the "French" shall probably progress to the quarter finals...
     
  4. Irn Bru

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    I think one of Walcott/Welbeck will start. IMO Carroll adds a lot more to the team, but Welbeck has played pretty well. It's rough because I agree that English success would signal more blacks in the squad, but at the same time, the talent pool is really shallow right now, and I can't think of anyone who should be starting and isn't.

    It's similar with Balotelli. I'm not sure he'd see the pitch if Rossi wasn't injured, but they have very few options. Di Natale is very good, but at 34 and coming off injuries, he can't play more than a half, so it makes more sense to use him as a supersub.
     
  5. frederic38

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    i agree, but who would have thought that paraguay (6 millions inhabitants and 0 world cups) could beat brazil (200 millions inhabitants and the most world cup triumphs in history) in the 2011 copa america?
    i thought so, and i said it here before the match
    and in europe the "soccer power" concept is blurred by the fact that some teams don't play with their best players (some kind of affirmative action,like the french national team in 2008 and 2010)

    but it's true that england or france are big soccer nations, so even with black players they can beat smaller nations

    as an example, most would probably have spain as a soccer power now, but until 2008 they were a bad soccer nation which never did anything on the international stage in their history
    they are amongst the best european teams right now because the other teams like france, england, germany, holland and even the scandinavian countries (denmark norway and sweden used to be better than spain usually) play a lot of black and arab players and don't use their talent pool to the maximum (and their populations are also darkening, the swedish population is much darker than their national team, so since their population is dying, how could they produce good players?)


    sweden did OK and they were very close to kicking england out of the tournament

    @giles:
    we do that all the time
    when someone is dirty you call him "gipsy" for fun also
    there are even names coming from this trend of giving that kind of nicknames
    "morel" the french name (very common french name) was given to french with relatively dark skin because it comes from "moor" which was the way the arabs were called back then
    you could also earn that kind of nickname by acting like an arab (by being impulsive, or a coward)
    in veneto there is a similar name: taffarel (like claudio taffarel the brazilian) which comes from the arab name "taffer"


    @ rebajlo:
    i agree and i already said here that if you wish to keep your team the whitest possible, you must avoid racial abuse
    look at barcelona, most of their players are racist or atleast xenophobic but they appear very politically correct so they are not forced to have more blacks
    expect new black players in the future in the croatian national team because of these "racial abuses"


    you probably know how much i hate the french team and the players that play for them, but it's a good thing from our point of view that france looks relatively impressive and manages to progress to the quarter finals
    they have an openly racist policy of whitening the team , so it's a good thing that they do better than when they played with 9 black starters
    that's one of the good things of the tournament actually

    it will be perfect if ukraine beats england in the next match

    [video=youtube_share;qA_rb3EXh1k]http://youtu.be/qA_rb3EXh1k[/video]

    so much for blacks being the most powerfull :rolleyes:

    edit: the commentators are french and even in france carroll was criticized (despite the fact that most french didn't see any match involving liverpool this season)
    the commentator says "he didn't miss that one this time!" implying that carroll is known for having a lot of misses
     
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  6. Europe

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    [h=2]Frederic38, Here are the ratings.

    DANNY WELBECK (FORWARD) - 8[/h]
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    Guy's view: I was going to go with a seven all the way until his match-winning goal! The only way he could possibly have scored was by doing what he did - a quite brilliant finish. Speed of thought combined with a deft touch - Welbeck is maturing into a very clever footballer.
    [h=2]ANDY CARROLL (FORWARD) - 7[/h]
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    Guy's view: Could not ask for anything more from the number nine. Headed England in front superbly and in the first half in particular put in a great shift to rattle and roll Sweden's defenders. England cannot match the "tiki-taka" passing of Spain right now, so there is something strangely soothing at seeing an old-fashioned centre-forward lead the line as he did.
     
  7. Highlander

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    This article implies that Welbeck will get the starting nod over Carroll (unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, the DWF's agree with this from their comments after the article):

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/rooney-return-gives-hodgson-dilemma-131425691.html

    Rooney return gives Hodgson dilemma

    After two unbeaten displays characterised by defensive organisation, determination and team spirit, manager Roy Hodgson will face a "welcome" selection problem for England's final Euro 2012 Group D game against Ukraine on Tuesday.

    The return of striker Wayne Rooney after a two-game suspension, means not only that he will change a winning team following England's dramatic 3-2 triumph over Sweden in Kiev on Friday, but also that he will be forced to omit one of the young strikers he praised for their performance.

    Both Andy Carroll, 23, and Danny Welbeck, 21, scored impressive goals, with a towering header and clever back-heeled shot respectively, to earn their manager's appreciation and confirm the arrival of a new younger generation.

    Hodgson, who is proving to be a man capable of making cool decisions in the heat of a fierce contest, has already made clear he will select Rooney for his first appearance of Euro 2012.

    Rooney was suspended for two games following his sending off for kicking Miodrag Dzudovic during the final qualifier against Montenegro in October.

    Hodgson has yet to decide who the Manchester United forward replaces, what role he will play and if he changes the shape and style of his robust and functional team.

    A self-confessed pragmatist, Hodgson is expected to continue to rely on a solid defence with Rooney adding a measure of control to an attack that often seems detached from the rest of the team.

    Match-winning substitute Theo Walcott, who scored his first international goal for four years and then set up the winner for Welbeck, believes unleashing Rooney will give England added impetus in their bid to win the group and avoid defending champions Spain, the probable winners of Group C.

    Walcott said: "I am sure Wayne will get his opportunity. He'll want to make up for time he's missed - he will want to make it up to all of the lads.

    "He is such a world-class player. It would be tough to leave him out but that's the manager's decision. We'll see what happens."

    Despite his impact as a traditional centre-forward, Carroll looks most likely to make way in a move that could give England's offensive play greater fluency, particularly as Rooney, Welbeck and Ashley Young are club-mates at Manchester United.

    Walcott, for one, said he believed that Welbeck has the natural talent to flourish as the tournament unfolds.

    "That chance was massive, but Danny made it look easy," he said. "It was class, probably one of the best goals at this tournament and I am not just saying that because he's my friend.

    "That goal had everything and shows that, despite being at such a young age he can do the business."

    He added that he was relieved, too, to have scored, his deflected shot being his first since striking a hat-trick against Croatia in a World Cup qualifier in 2008.

    "I have finally got that scoring monkey off my back, but I surprised myself. I thought the shot took a deflection which is why my celebration was a little bit odd, but I've seen it again and it didn't.

    "I didn't know I had that sort of 'Ronaldo dip' in me. I should try it more often. To score is special, not just for me but for my family watching back home."

    As Walcott celebrated, Hodgson pondered.

    "I welcome those kind of selection problems," he said. "I was really pleased with the performance of the front players, but Wayne Rooney is a special player and, frankly, it will be hard to leave him out."

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    Gotta love that "natural talent" quote :lie:
     
  8. Highlander

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    This thought crossed my mind as well the other day, especially when compared to the 2010 World Cup disaster. This is a positive development for France and disproves the notion that having a coal-black team is a good thing or that black players are somehow better than Whites individually. I'm certainly not rooting for them in this tournament (unless they play England), but at least they aren't unwatchable anymore.
     
  9. Zeus

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    You are very well informed mate, plus a very kind sir, Turkey vs Greece is one of the biggest rivalries globally and I have personally taken part in various "friendly" activities, during my military service in the borders of Greece with these Mongoloid monsters. Being called a Turk is what Negroes and Jews do on Yahoo Answers or other sites controlled by Jews............good to see from who they learn to say such things against us, obviously some "pro whites" from the US, England and Australia (Anglo-Saxons love mocking other whites and stereotyping other white nations, nobody can deny this, I hope) are responsible for all the negative stereotypes of most white nations and the extinction of the white kind and they won't even see how they are responsible for this situation against their own race on a global basis!

    As for Rebajlo it's ok, he's a typical example of what I just mentioned and he desperately needs an enema, the loser needs to get relieved obviously hehehe.

    Come on Greece, you can do it!!!!!

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    Even if Russia qualifies, I will still be happy, an 100% white Christian Orthodox team, that's our brothers and pure descendants (culturally) of our great Byzantine Empire
     
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  10. frederic38

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    let's not be afraid to say it, france doing much better than at the 2010 world cup is the biggest victory from a racial point of view that we could hope for
    let's not forget the "quotas" scandal:
    http://www.castefootball.us/forums/threads/13607-French-Soccer?p=230956&viewfull=1#post230956

    with a 100% white team winning these champs, it would be perfect


    he is so unskilled that i didn't know that he was a striker, the first time i saw him i thought that he was a defensive middlefielder

    thanks
    honestly i didn't pay much attention to welbeck, but i thought that he was useless until his late goal

    a player who was horrible is ashley young
    couldn't rooney take his place?

    for me it will be a heart-breaking match as i liked both teams
    greece deserved better but the refereeing was pretty bad in their matches
     
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    I know, I should have said Southern and Eastern Europe, they are occasionally seen in Germany too.
    I kind of like them (if used in moderation) - to me they are esthetically pleasing and create a great atmosphere. Maybe I'm just used to these kinds of scenes, and you are more an aussie, so an "English" type of fan who detests them. Note that I'm the type of person who loved tinkering with firecrackers and pyro stuff since I was a kid, so I love fiery displays. It's a matter of personal opinion I guess.
    I just put the flare picture there with the caption as a curiosity for people that may not be so familiar with the idiosyncrasies of the football fan scene in Europe. The pictures you posted are pretty impressive.

    I would agree with you. Most of the fans did exactly that - Italian media reported that Balotelli was "fischiatissimo dai tifosi Croati" (super whistled by Croatian fans). Some obviously wanted to be more explicit. In normal circumstances I would approve with their behavior, but in this politically-correct totalitarian times people with racial pride must find subtler ways to express their feelings or keep it for themselves, the way people were opposing Communism in the ex-Eastern block countries. UEFA's thought-police will be quick take advantage of this and send Croatia to the figurative "-6 points" Gulag (labour camp). In the not so distant future I expect *real* "re-education" camps and "sensitivity training" camps, and psychiatric hospital recoveries for fans caught being politically incorrect.



    The attenuating circumstances may be that Balotelli is the stereotypical "ugly" "in-your face" Negro everybody loves to hate (great for our cause!), while Eduardo is much more subdued and is not a pure-blood Negro, so this is more "acceptable" to the fans. Also, he is not really part of the starting squad but plays the last 3-4 minutes. However, in principle - I agree with you completely!

    As an aside - it is interesting how Croatian fans and in general Eastern European fans (and to a degree - Southern Europeans) are much less tolerant to having a multi-kulti team. Until there is the token Negro that plays occasionally, that's OK, but I don't see hem accepting a NT with 4,6 or 8 Negroes like the Netherlands, england or France. I think they simply would stop supporting such an abominatination. It's funny how after all these years communism seems to have left racial instincts intact while the so called "democracy/capitalism" system turned people into zombies. There seems to be more than a grain of thruth in the saying that "communism takes away your freedom, but capitalism destroys your soul". I am sure your racial and anti-Jewish attitude overwhelmingly comes from your Polish side.

    Back to Croatia - Croatian football is dominated "mafia style" by the Dinamo Zagreb boss Zdravko Mamic who buys these "talents" in South America on the cheap, than tries to use the Nationa Team to promote them and raise their price. I think this is the last we have seen from Eduardo, but there is a pretty usavory Brazilian Negro from Dinamo Zagreb - Sammir - who we may soon see in the "Repka" (Croatian National Team). Part of the deal to oust Slaven Bilic and install Igor Stimac as the new NT manager after the EURO is to make Sammir play for the NT (he has a Croatian passport), which Bilic was opposed to. To be fair, there is a very real opposition among the Croatian fans to playing Sammir in the NT with popular mottos like "Sammir nije Damir" (Sammir is not Damir - Damir being a traditional Croatian name). I would not be surprised if he is whistled by the fans when/if he plays for the NT. On the web, in every poll/discussion I have seen fans are overwhelmingly opposed to him, but who listens to the fans anymore...
     
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    Nice video from Poznan. I was there a couple of months ago. I hung out in that beautiful town square.

    Today Russia should put the Greeks out of the tournament. Good riddance.

    The only black guy who has played well for England in this tournament is Walcott. Ashley Young has been an embarrassment. Welback scored a nice goal against Sweden but other than that he's been useless as he's constantly losing possession.
     
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    "a player who was horrible is ashley young
    couldn't rooney take his place?"

    I was thinking that too. He can play winger.


    That guy would have given Welbeck a 7, equal to Carroll, even before he scored his goal. I have no idea how he could do that.
     
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    Like Leonidas and his 300 said to the Persians "Never cross or underestimate a Greek, HE WILL GET YA................KARAGOUNISSSSSSSSS ALA 2004, COME ON BOYS, YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Awful performances from both the Polish and the Russian teams, but I don't see the Czechs or the Greeks go far in this tournament because they weren't convincing either.

    Now I'm totally rooting for Spain. Arriba España !!!
     
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    Poor performances from Poland today, they never really looked like wanting to win the game. It is kinda sad that Poland is out now, but in the end well deserved. Russia on the other hand…Anyone watched the Greece game? They only showed the Poland game here
     
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    This generation of Greek athletes (same as Spaniards) have excelled in way too many sports and have achieved so many things. Tons of medals at the Olympics, Euro 2004 in football, Euro 2005 and dismantling team USA of overrated Negroes ala James, Antony, Bosh, Paul etc in world games semis of 2006 in basketball and so much more, with way less money, organization and equipment in comparison with rich countries which spend x100 more money in sports than Greece, so yes I understand there will be jealousy and envy against my nation, but at the end of the day, it's white guys winning and that what should matter in such site.

    And as for the guys who claim that the Jews and Liberals have ruined specific sports in their countries by pushing anti-white agenda and over promoting Negroes, I agree, but look what they have done to my country, 3 Jewish families, Soros, Rothschild and Bloomberg have literally destroyed the economy and banking system of 11 million people, but we won't EVER lose our fighting spirit and Greek heart and we deserve respect for that, not jealousy and envy from other whites, that's a shame!

    Samaras is a top quality player, at this point Celtic is too small for him.
    Torosidis is a great player, he deserves to play in a top European club.
    Kyriakos Papadopoulos who's 20 and Papastathopoulos who is 23, even though so young, they make one of the best defenses in the world when they play together.
    Sifakis is a great goalie too and I wondered why Santos did not started him in the first place!

    Proud to be Greek!
     
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    ESPN had both games covered here in the USA, so I got to watch both teams. Russia couldn't hit the target at all today. Their shots were absolutly terrible today. Their best chance to tie came with about 5 minutes left in the game, when Alan Dzagoev's header went just wide of the post. Greece scored in the 47th minute during stoppage time, and besides that, from what I saw, they just sat back and played a 4-5-1 defensive game the whole 2nd half.
     
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    So one good game, one ok, and one bad and you are dead and gone. I am hoping now that tomorrow at least Germany and Denmark can advance, even though it is really more likely that Germany and Portugal advance to the knockout stages. Then it would be Czech Republic against Portugal (most likely) in the Quarter-Final, and I am not sure if Czech would stand a chance against Portugal. (At least not the way they played so far) Just don’t want to see Portugal in the Semi-Finals.
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    I thought goal difference was the first tie-breaker. Did they change it for this tournament?

    Anyway, I think that means Greece v Germany. That might be as bitter as Poland v Russia.
     
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    The Euro Crisis Derby! That's going to be interesting to watch.
     
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    i'm not surprised at all
    actually after the greek defeat against czech republic i told you that they would make it :biggrin:
    i can't comment on the match in itself because no match was on TV tonight, all on aljazeera and god knows that i won't pay to see football, especially to aljazeera

    this group was almost all-white anyway
    but this is an example of a big country getting kicked out by a small country

    yes it's particular goal difference now
    which means that since greece beat russia they finish ahead of them
    if they would have been tied with czech republic they would have been kicked out because they lost against czech republic
     
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    no, they won't win :icon_wink:
    not this time

    some good memories from the 2010 world cup, when greece beat nigeria while they were down 1-0:

    [video=youtube_share;jzqrarAhLMQ]http://youtu.be/jzqrarAhLMQ[/video]

    thanks black goalkeeper! :icon_wink: (everyone was talking about him because he did great saves during the world cup but blacks lack the concentration and it's almost certain that at one point they will gift you a goal)
    this combined with the black striker's natural "sang froid" got nigeria out of the world cup at the group stage: http://youtu.be/2jEKlaetuMI


    but i'm not worried for russia, they will have a lot of success in the future
    football is rising there, and it won't stop
    their national league is gaining more and more importance
     
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    I'm sorry for Russia and consider them to be a great team, but today Grece deserved to win. Apart from the goal, they also hit a post and were denied a 100% penalty. Congrats to Grece!
     
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    You are quite correct Trashen. It's a disgrace when you see that the 7 Germans on the squad always sing the anthem, while 4 members of the multi-culti quartett, including Podolski, keep their mouths shut. I imagine this must pi$$ of some Germans who see this obvious sign of disrespect.

    I'm not of Germanic descent, however, for some reason, I get goosebumps every time I hear the German national anthem. It might as well be the most beautiful one in the world.

    Here's another version from the 2006 WC, the good old days, if you will, when the squad had 11 Whites on it. You will, however, notice that the b*tch Podolski is once again the lone holdout. I believe he did want to play for Poland, but was rejected.

    [video=youtube;X_zva8iNVQ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_zva8iNVQ8&feature=related[/video]
     

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