Man Crashes Plane Into IRS Bldg in Austin

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Using Popular Mechanics brilliant 9/11 logic, that building should be collapsing at free fall speed within a couple hours.
 

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It's very early to call, but my hunch is a false flag. The government needs a good reason to crack down against small government, anti-tax, constitutionalists, etc types. I could be wrong but it seems like the government's MO.
 

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It's very early to call, but my hunch is a false flag. The government needs a good reason to crack down against small government, anti-tax, constitutionalists, etc types. I could be wrong but it seems like the government's MO.

Indeed. They quickly provided the alleged pilot (Joe Stack) "manifesto" which was very anti-taxation & anti-Corporate, etc.

Pilot Joe Stack's "Suicide Manifesto"

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The Fedgov is playing with fire in every facet of our lives. They better wise up sooner than later and leave people alone or Mr. Stack's act is going to seem like small potatoes compared to what's coming.

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I think he was just trying to drop off his 1040 early.
 

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Listening to the news on the TV while waiting for my flight at the airport, what I noticed is that they were parading expert after expert out there, all of them calling for even more onerous limitations on our freedom, just because some whack job decided to fly his plane into a building. In addition to that, talking heads on the morning shows were "guessing" and "speculating" that he must be some sort of anti-government tea party member, since only the "right" has wackos. Nevermind that this guy hated Bush, hated Reagan, despised Bush's tax cuts as was generally a lefty from his "manifesto."
 

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Listening to the news on the TV while waiting for my flight at the airport, what I noticed is that they were parading expert after expert out there, all of them calling for even more onerous limitations on our freedom, just because some whack job decided to fly his plane into a building.  In addition to that, talking heads on the morning shows were "guessing" and "speculating" that he must be some sort of anti-government tea party member, since only the "right" has wackos.  Nevermind that this guy hated Bush, hated Reagan, despised Bush's tax cuts as was generally a lefty from his "manifesto."


All that is true plus he was a fan of Karl Marx and qouted the communist manifesto at the end of his I guess you would call it suicide note. Clearly a left wing whack job and don't see a false flag op in this at all. I don't condone what he did but can easily see why the IRS would drive someone to do this and more acts like these are probably on the horizon. But all that being said, nothing excuses setting your house on fire with wife and children inside, he is certainly not a sympathetic figure at all. Thank God his family got out of the house in time.
 

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FootballDad said:
Listening to the news on the TV while waiting for my flight at the airport, what I noticed is that they were parading expert after expert out there, all of them calling for even more onerous limitations on our freedom, just because some whack job decided to fly his plane into a building. In addition to that, talking heads on the morning shows were "guessing" and "speculating" that he must be some sort of anti-government tea party member, since only the "right" has wackos. Nevermind that this guy hated Bush, hated Reagan, despised Bush's tax cuts as was generally a lefty from his "manifesto."


All that is true plus he was a fan of Karl Marx and qouted the communist manifesto at the end of his I guess you would call it suicide note. Clearly a left wing whack job and don't see a false flag op in this at all. I don't condone what he did but can easily see why the IRS would drive someone to do this and more acts like these are probably on the horizon. But all that being said, nothing excuses setting your house on fire with wife and children inside, he is certainly not a sympathetic figure at all. Thank God his family got out of the house in time.

I agree. Committing suicide is not a false flag op. Burning down his house with his family inside indicates that he "went postal," like a lot of people have been doing since the economy went into depression, with the difference being that Stack was more calculated. With millions of people losing their homes and unemployment somewhere between 10 and 20 percent and not likely to turn around for a long time, it would be surprising if there isn't a continued increase in folks deciding to kill themselves and take as many with them as they can, including some who go after celebs and/or gov't officials.
 

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Believe me, the left-wing sicko media was happy this guy was white. Every time a white person does something like this they add it to the Timothy Mcveigh pile so they can say, "see, white people are terrorists too! Terrorists come in all colors! It's not just Muslims!"
 

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The term "terrorist" will be a badge of honor one day.

That day is near...
 

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No doubt the Orwellians in the Big Govt loves to utilize isolated incidents like this to justify more totalitarian crack-down(s) on our Constitutional rights...whether false-flag or some (legit) "random" act. I understand Stack's disdain for the (un-Constitutional) IRS & income tax, but I don't condone acts that could kill *innocent folks. * = Most of the folks working for the IRS are drones, with few having alot of "stroke", etc.

I understand his "message", but his method only effective in providing fodder for Feds to further crack-down on us (supposedly) dangerous "right wingers".
 

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<h2>From James Edwards' Blog</h2>http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2010/02/18/glenn-beck-barks-like-a-dog/

<h2></span>I Wish Joe Stack Had Not Killed Himself!</h2>
Category: General



Chuck Baldwin has been a guest on the TPC radio show many
times, and I thought readers would appreciate reading this column he
wrote on the Austin man who flew his plane into an IRS building.





I Wish Joe Stack Had Not Killed Himself!


By Chuck Baldwin February 19, 2010


All of us are now aware of the Texas man who yesterday flew his
private plane into a 7-story Austin office building. Apparently, he
intentionally crashed his plane into the building to target the IRS
offices that were housed inside the facility.


As I am writing this column just hours after the event took place,
there has not yet been a lot of time for the major news media talking
heads to spin the story. By the time this column is released on Friday,
however, I'm sure we will all have been inundated with copious
references to this man, Joe Stack, as being "off his rocker,"Â or similar
assertions. Perhaps our friends at DHS will label Stack a "right-wing
domestic terrorist."Â However, Mr. Stack apparently left behind a
"suicide manifesto"Â explaining his actions. After carefully reading
Stack's manifesto, I am quite convinced that he was not crazy, and he
was not a "terrorist."Â However, he was angry.


A lot of us are angryâ€"and for many of the same reasons that Mr. Stack
was angry! While I would certainly take exception to some of the things
Stack says in his manifesto, he said things that many of us are
feeling.


Stack began his manifesto by saying, "If you're reading this, you're
no doubt asking yourself, ‘Why did this have to happen?' The simple
truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time."Â


He goes on to say, "Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country
have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and
service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further
brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we
should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble [principles]
represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was ‘no
taxation without representation' . . . These days anyone who really
stands up for that [principle] is promptly labeled a ‘crackpot,' traitor
and worse."Â


For the most part, he's right about that, of course. It has been a
long time since the average hardworking American has been represented in
Washington, D.C. By and large, the politicians in DC represent only Big
Money interests. Just try talking with your congressman or senator and
see how much personal interest he or she takes in anything you have to
say. As for emails, letters, and faxes, unless they number in the tens
of thousands, they are mostly used as kindling for the fireplace.


Obviously, Mr. Stack had long felt the frustration of being ignored
by these pimps in Washington that we know as congressmen. He wrote,
"While very few working people would say they haven't had their fair
share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree
of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any
matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that
matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to
say."Â


I suppose that just about every American could say the same thing.


Then, regarding our current tax system, Stack wrote, "Here we have a
[tax] system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the
master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly ‘holds accountable'
its victims, claiming that they're responsible for fully complying with
laws not even the experts understand. The law ‘requires' a signature on
the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they
understand what they are signing; if that's not ‘duress' [then] what is.
If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is."Â


He also wrote, "However, this is where I learned that there are two
‘interpretations' for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the
rest of us."Â


However, I think a better way of putting his statement would have
been, "There are two interpretations for every law; one for the
GOVERNMENT, and one for the rest of us." And only the most naïve among
us would not understand that statement.


According to Stack's manifesto, he earned an engineering degree with
the goal of becoming an "independent engineer."Â He said this about
working his way through college: "I was living on peanut butter and
bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a
time."Â


I know that feeling! My wife and I married between my sophomore and
junior years of college, and for months we had a grand total of $15 a
week to spend on groceries. And believe me: that did not go very farâ€"not
even in 1974. How many politicians on Capitol Hill do you think could
even remotely relate to Mr. Stack?


Stack later said, "I decided that I didn't trust big business to take
care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and
myself."Â


Wow! What a revolutionary idea: taking responsibility for yourself!
Now I know that practically no one on Capitol Hill can relate to Mr.
Stack!


After quoting a portion of the tax law relating to Section 1706
(Treatment of Certain Technical Personnel), Stack wrote, "The bottom
line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of
section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they
would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen
slave."Â


His manifesto clearly reveals bitterness and resentment toward the
IRS, the tax system, the banker and Big Business government bailouts,
and the emergence of police-state attitudes and actions in the aftermath
of 9/11. He expressed disdain for "the monsters of organized religion."Â
He talked about his move from California to Texas. He referred to a
divorce and the way his savings and retirement had been wiped out after a
career of working "100-hour workweeks."Â


Stack also noted, "The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his
cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that
this criticism rings equally true for all of the government."Â I can say
"Amen"Â to that.


Stack's conclusion: "I have had all I can stand."Â


In what was obviously a reference to what he was about to do, he
wrote, "Nothing changes unless there is a body count."Â

Then, later he said, "But I also know that by not adding my body to the
count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over
my shoulder at ‘big brother' while he strips my carcass, I choose not to
ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that
business as usual won't continue; I have just had enough."Â


Stack wrapped up his manifesto by saying, "Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS
man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep
well."Â


See Joe Stack's manifesto at:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html


My heart goes out to Joe Stack! The sentiments expressed above are
shared by millions of Americans who are also fed up with Big Brother. We
are fed up with our country being turned into a burgeoning police
state, under the rubric of "national security."Â We are fed up with the
harassments of the IRS. We know the "war on drugs"Â is merely the
government's way of cutting out the competition (this is exactly what
more than one retired federal law enforcement agentâ€"employed in the drug
warâ€"told me). We know the "war on terror" is nothing but an excuse to
trample our constitutional liberties. We are fed up with the voracious
vampires known as the Federal Reserve sucking the lifeblood out of the
veins of America's hardworking Middle Class. We are tired of the CFR,
CIA, and America's State Department manufacturing perpetual wars that
cost trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives for the
benefit of the global elite. We are fed up with an arrogant and
oppressive federal government that is strangling the life and freedom
out of our states. We all share Joe Stack's pain!


I really wish Joe Stack had not killed himself, however. We need each
other. By taking his life, he reduced our strength. The global elites
delight in our demise. As we grow weaker, they grow stronger.


But the fight is not over; the battle is not lost! Rumblings of
freedom's revival can be felt across the length and breadth of this
nation. The clanging of liberty's resolve can be heard in hamlets and
villages from Montana to South Carolina. There are still millions of
usâ€"from virtually every walk of lifeâ€"who will not surrender our
liberties without a fight! And we have not yet begun to fight!


So, to the rest of us Joe Stacks out there: let's not fly our planes
into buildings. Let's not end our lives prematurely. Instead, get mad;
get organized; get educated; start equipping your heart, mind, and body
for the battle ahead. Let's fight; let's study; let's prepare; let's
make every would-be tyrant on Capitol Hill and Wall Street know that we
are not going to sit back and let them steal our country. Let's send a
message, in no uncertain terms, that if they want our pound of flesh,
they are going to have to come and get itâ€"and if they do, it's going to
cost them a whole lot more than a pound of theirs!

Oh, Joe! I wish you had not killed yourself.
 

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It's interesting how quickly this story faded from media attention, especially compared to the failed attempt by the "underwear bomber," which caused the corporate media to go into hyper-hysterical mode for weeks on end.

I think it was because Stack wasn't easy to pigeonhole as a Tea Party supporter or some other kind of "right wing extremist." Also there was widespread sympathy, not for his act, but for his complaints and the frustrations that led to it as many read his farewell piece and identifed with his grievances. The system seemed to sense that more scare propaganda and advocating more surveillance state measures in the aftermath would have backfired big time among the public. Brown-skinned Arabs make much more effective boogeymen with which to scare the masses into accepting a police state.
 

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Daughter says pilot in Texas IRS crash was a hero</font>





The Associated Press

Monday, February 22, 2010;
8:09 AM


</font>






AUSTIN, Texas -- The daughter of a man who crashed his small plane into
an IRS building in Texas is calling her father a hero.




Joe Stack's adult daughter, Samantha Bell, tells ABC's "Good Morning
America" the plane attack was "inappropriate." But she praised his
anti-government and anti-tax views.




Asked if he considered her father a hero, she said "yes." She spoke in a
telephone interview from Norway, where she lives.




Bell says her father was not a hero for taking a life, but "because now
maybe people will listen."




Authorities say the 53-year-old Stack targeted the IRS office building
in Austin last week, killing employee Vernon Hunter and himself, after
posting a ranting manifesto against the agency.




Hunter's son, Ken Hunter, says he's alarmed by comments that called the
pilot a hero.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/22/AR2010022201433_pf.html
 

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It's weird for his daughter to consider Joe Stack a hero when he sets his house on fire with wife and children still inside the house. That destroys and certainly muddles any message the guy was trying to make with me or anybody else. I did hear a story on the Quinn and Rose radio show this morning about a report that Joe Stack had a Facebook page filled with Tea party type stuff that major newspapers such as the NY Times and the Washington Post printed in their respective rags, that Facebook entry was later found out to be a new entry made after Stack's death probably by some liberal progressive blogger that the MSM willingly bought into and reported on.
 

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Put two letters in to the local papers about this topic. One having to do with Joe Stack (very positive for him and brining up the govts. involvement in fomenting his act) and the other having to do with that lousy "Homeland Security" Agency. One will definitely be printed. The other is iffy.

It's easy to send letters to the editor gentlemen. You can email the letters on the newspaper's websites. I suggest you try it. You'd be surprised how many people read the letters to the editor. Usually, papers also have sports letters in the Sunday papers as well.

It's a good way of getting our points across. Especially now that the papers have had to ease up on their censorship because of declining sales.

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Tom Iron said:
Put two letters in to the local papers about this topic. One having to do with Joe Stack (very positive for him and brining up the govts. involvement in fomenting his act) and the other having to do with that lousy "Homeland Security" Agency. One will definitely be printed. The other is iffy.

It's easy to send letters to the editor gentlemen. You can email the letters on the newspaper's websites. I suggest you try it. You'd be surprised how many people read the letters to the editor. Usually, papers also have sports letters in the Sunday papers as well.

It's a good way of getting our points across. Especially now that the papers have had to ease up on their censorship because of declining sales.




Tom Iron is right, it is in most cases easy to get a letter printed up in a local newspaper unless you are dealing with a major city newspaper which may get hundreds of letters on a particular topic. I write a letter to my local newspaper once a month and it has been approved every time 100%. It's another way to make a difference and living in a relatively small town of about 23,000 I have got quite a reputation already just from the letters I have written and approximately a dozen people joined my last tea party meeting just from a invite I had in one of the letters I got printed up. So it's another way to make a difference if you don't mind the occasional heat thrown your way when liberals respond to your letter the following week.
 

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It's weird for his daughter to consider Joe Stack a hero when he sets his house on fire with wife and children still inside the house. That destroys and certainly muddles any message the guy was trying to make with me or anybody else. I did hear a story on the Quinn and Rose radio show this morning about a report that Joe Stack had a Facebook page filled with Tea party type stuff that major newspapers such as the NY Times and the Washington Post printed in their respective rags, that Facebook entry was later found out to be a new entry made after Stack's death probably by some liberal progressive blogger that the MSM willingly bought into and reported on.



Agreed. I don't know whats more pitiful; him or people trying to turn him into a hero_OR people trying to connect him with the teaparty movement.Edited by: Menelik
 

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You are often the voice of reason, Menelik
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Stack proved his "loyalty" to the NW0 / Z0G / PTB (who he supposedly hated) when he set fire to a house with his white wife and white children (step children, I think) inside. Attempting to kill young whites within your own family, my "hero."

His "standing up" to the government meant absolutely nothing, because it was all about them stealing his precious little cash. Me, Me, Me, Land, Land, Land, Money, Money, Money...white men never change. Does this self-absorbed sissy boy think he's the only one being jewed?

I've noticed a pathetic little trend....whites will only "rebel" against authority when the issue at hand has absolutely nothing to do with white racial preservation. How "masculine."

Also, I have no clue weather or not the IRS worker he killed during the crash was white...but if the man was a white father (or potential father) for white children, then this turd is a true b*stard.Edited by: Thrashen
 

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Thrashen said:
Stack proved his "loyalty" to the NW0 / Z0G / PTB (who he supposedly hated) when he set fire to a house with his white wife and white children (step children, I think) inside. Attempting to kill young whites within your own family, my "hero."

His "standing up" to the government meant absolutely nothing, because it was all about them stealing his precious little cash. Me, Me, Me, Land, Land, Land, Money, Money, Money...white men never change. Does this self-absorbed sissy boy think he's the only one being jewed?

I've noticed a pathetic little trend....whites will only "rebel" against authority when the issue at hand has absolutely nothing to do with white racial preservation. How "masculine."

Also, I have no clue weather or not the IRS worker he killed during the crash was white...but if the man was a white father (or potential father) for white children, then this turd is a true b*stard.

The IRS worker killed was a 61-year old black man who was a Vietnam veteran.
 

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guest301,

You're exactly right about gaining a bit of a reputation as a letter writer. I even get an occasional email from the mayor and plenty of comments overall. My wife gets her share of feedback from the Woman's Club too. Especially when I write one of my "education" letters.

I recommend that we all become letter writers. It's a great way to get our point across. Also, as far as letter to the editor writing is concerned, brevity Gentlemen. The shorter your letter, the better.

Tom Iron...
 

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Tom Iron said:
guest301,

You're exactly right about gaining a bit of a reputation as a letter writer. I even get an occasional email from the mayor and plenty of comments overall. My wife gets her share of feedback from the Woman's Club too. Especially when I write one of my "education" letters.

I recommend that we all become letter writers. It's a great way to get our point across. Also, as far as letter to the editor writing is concerned, brevity Gentlemen. The shorter your letter, the better.

Tom Iron...


Funny you mention the mayor because I have become friends with my town's mayor as well and sit with her and husband at all of the local highschools home football games.

Humor and famous qoutes are also good things to put in letters in addition to brevity.
 
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