Japanese Sprinters

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  1. athlete888

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    Tsukahara ran a 10.09 win assisted and pull up injured in the semi's, so was scratched from the finals. Whilst most japanese runners dont perform too well outside of Japan, Tsukahara is an exception, he was the only non-black in the olympic semis in the 100m in Beijing.

    Good to see some good times this year.

    with guilev doing well, pickering, tsukahara and this new guy guy 'Eriguchi'..we're on a roll

    these results support my orignal statement, that most probably an asian/japense runner will break 10 seconds...though guilev might do it first!
     
  2. white lightning

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    I want all of them to break it. The only exception is for Pickering to be the first. It could happen tommorow but I'm still betting on Berlin.
     
  3. ToughJ.Riggins

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    Well off the top of my head, I do know there are 6 whites who ran an ELECTRONIC wind legal sub 10.10:

    10.00 Marian Woronin
    10.01 Pietro Mennea
    10.03 Nic Macrozonaris
    10.03 Matt Shirvington
    10.07 Valeri Borzov
    10.08 Ramil Guliyev (this year)

    In addition, I am probably missing one or two. White Lightning, I might need your help on this.
     
  4. DegradationParadox

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    Viktor Bryzgin 10.03 into -2.5 headwind
    <div>Gier Moen 10.08</span></font></span></font></div>
     
  5. StarWars

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    That's a shame Tsukahara is hurt. Very nice 200 for Shinji. I hope Craig does well today. Good luck craig!
     
  6. jaxvid

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    Japanese sprinters run better then US white sprinters for the same reason Russian white sprinters run better then US white sprinters. They can develop in an environment where they are not "caste" aside and slotted from an early age.

    Personally I DON'T want an asian runner to break 10.0 before a white runner. I'm pro-white not just anti-black. Who gives a flip what the Japs do?
     
  7. StarWars

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    Here's my take on it. Smug white people are happy to concede athletic superiority to blacks. Not to is actually racist to them. If an Asian breaks ten, I doubt white people will call them faster, and will realize how much faster whites could be in the 100. I'm pro white, not anti-anything.
     
  8. RPope71

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    I gotta side with jaxvid on this one. If an Asian breaks 10, I don't see what possible positive impact that could have on people'sperception of white sprinters. It'll mean that of the 3 racial classifications,******** and Mongoloids can run sub-10, while Caucasoids can't.

    For the life of me, I can't see how that would be a good thing.
     
  9. freedom1

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    I'm anti blacks are superior athletic god beings, and I want the Japanese to break 10.00 as soon as possible.

    It's good in that it shows it's possible for someone other than a person of African descent to do it. Everyone who pays attention needs to see this. This 10 number is so big for us, it needs to be psychologically broken.

    I believe there are differences in the races. I believe blacks are a little faster than whites and whites are a little faster than Asians. The Asians breaking it before the whites is evidence to me of what people on this site refer to as the caste system. Whatever you want to call it, there is a conspiracy to destroy the image of the strong European male, and it has worked. This 10.00 barrier is quantitative evidence for me personally. People here get excited every time a white athlete breaks 10.20, while blacks are regularly breaking 9.8. This difference is too large to be explained on a solely physical level.
     
  10. StarWars

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    Before steroids whites and blacks were equally as fast, and Asians were the slowest. Everyone is jealous of white males, and love bashing them. Whites have so much guilt and smugness that we here at caste are the few people who are proud of whites. I do not hate any race, and am very grateful to be white.
     
  11. Jimmy Chitwood

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    i'm going with Jaxvid on this one.
     
  12. ToughJ.Riggins

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    Yeah I'm not anti-black, I'm just anti blacks being seen as athletic Gods or the world's magical race.

    I would disagree Starwars, blacks were slightly faster at 100 meters before steroids hit, but it was certainly a significantly smaller difference than now:

    In 1972 there were 4 whites in the 100 meter final, but two black Americans (Eddie Hart and Reynaud Robinson) missed the final because they got the time of the event wrong. My guess is it would have been 5 blacks to 3 whites if the two black Americans made the final. Borzov would have won anyway though- he ran a brilliant race and easily beat the field. Hart and Robinson REALLY struggled the next year to beat the same guys that Borzov easily beat.

    In 1976 it was 5 blacks to 3 whites- even though the black participation rate at that time was slightly less. Borzov won the bronze- after having the second best start.

    In 1980 when Alan Wells won the gold medal- the U.S had boycotted those games due to the Cold War. I believe sprinting wasn't quite as big in the Caribbean as it is now or, at least, there was less funds for their athletes. In 1980 there were 5 whites to 3 blacks in the finals partially due to the U.S boycotting those games and less black immigrants living in rich Europe compared to poorer Africa.

    Prior to the 1988 Olympics- which is famous for Ben Johnson's famous juiced to the gills sprint- whites had about 15% of sub 10.10 times. IMO this shows that without steroids today your average 100 meter final should have about one white in it.

    Today a sub 10.10 sprinter like Ramil Guyliev- in any given year- would still probably be one of the fastest 25 men or so in the world, but we have definitely lost ground.

    In the 70s- out of the fastest 10 men in the world- three or four would have probably been white. This only had partially to do with less black participation.

    I have made many posts on this subject, but hear out my theory now:

    It doesn't make sense to keep saying that EVERY black is using steroids, "but whites are not". Pre Balco- most of the top guys were juicing whether black or white. Now there is a serious crack down in most countries- not named Jamaica- on steroid use, but you can still easily get away with HGH.

    I believe we should reform our argument to steroids helping blacks more in sprinting than whites, here's my theory:

    Whites have stronger quads- as evidenced by our advantage in squat records and power lifting competitions:

    Due to this- elite whites probably have a quicker first few steps (ex. Valeri Borzov's brilliant initial explosion out of the blocks, Morne Nagel's starts or McGuffie, Weddle, Woodhead and Zwinggi's near world record 10 yard splits- despite much lower participation rates for "SMALL, LIGHT and WHITE" players at combines).

    Blacks have slightly stronger hamstrings- as seen by how they run:

    Watch the top black sprinters run and you will see they get SLIGHTLY better leg lift than the top white guys. Blacks are also more likely to have SLIGHTLY longer femurs for their height than whites of the same height and supposedly tend to have slightly different hip socket structure. This has nothing to do with playing RB in the NFL, but it gives them a more open and springy stride in the last 50 meters of a 100 meter race and allows them to use less energy over the last 50 meters. Steroids helps blacks bulk up their hamstring muscles to get a bigger advantage over whites who also use steroids because of their already slight inherent advantage.

    Sorry for the long post, but this is my theory:

    Whites can AND WILL be future gold medalists at the High Jump, Triple Jump, 400 meters, 800 meters, 110 hurdles, 400 meter hurdles and "occasional" Long Jump, 200 meter and 1500 meter champions. Whites are EXTREMELY CLOSE at 50 meters and can still win gold occasionally at 60 meters.

    Whites are SLIGHTLY better at certain events and blacks are SLIGHTLY better at certain events and there is nothing wrong with admitting this. Just seeing a white man win a bronze medal in my life time at 100 meters- which could happen if they clear the steroid problem- would be a major achievement for our people. Pickering would not beat Bolt- "if he brings his best"- regardless of if "BOTH" are clean.
     
  13. green fire317

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    do you guys think an asian will break 10 before a white does?
     
  14. Jimmy Chitwood

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    Tough, if you assert that Whites can win the 60 meters and the 200 meters, why then would they not be able to win the 100 meters? it lies in between the other distances, doesn't it? so it would appear that ifWhites can compete and win at the others, then why not the 100? your logic doesn't hold up.
    secondly, how can youmake the claim that ..."Pickering would not beat Bolt- "if he brings his best"- regardless of if "BOTH" are clean"?!? [​IMG]

    i ask that because, if i recall correctly,before Bolt got involved in the Caribbean Vitamin Program he was nothing special. i refuse to give credit to a cheater. level the playing field, and THEN let the chips fall where they may.
     
  15. StarWars

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    Even recently I believed what Tough J did, but when you look at Wells and Pickering the top speed is almost their best part of the race. It is easy to assume that because whites are quicker yet post worse 100 meter times than blacks that blacks are faster at top speed. But I think whites have a higher probability of outliers that transcend the quick white person stereotype, which is true for most whites including me, just as most blacks are better at decelleration. The gap should be about the same as it was in 1980. Discounting altitude times it is about .05. In the 60 we should be equal, and if there was a shorter race we would win.
     
  16. white lightning

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    I will be honest. We already hear that they are the smartest. Imagine how bad it will be if they are the first. I will say however that winning medals is more important at the end of the day. If the asians go sub 10 and win olympic/world champs medals, then they will have truely arrived. I give them credit as they are bringing up some amazing athletes.

    It's like jaxvid said however. They have total support from their nation and their people. It is different from what is going on in Britain or other places like the US.
    Support is minimal and the hatred of even attempting to compete in a so called black sport is looked down on by many. With jealousy, hate and envy. Anything to hold whitey down. So the Asians have a far more condusive situation to excel in sprinting from a mental/emotional side. Hence a move to Germany, or Australia might be a good thing in the future.
     
  17. white is right

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    It's not the distance but the physiological affect to run the distance. 50 meters to 60 meters the fatigue factor is only starting to set in. 60+ meters you see many sprinters who are near the lead in the race flatten out and badly fade a high percentage of these are white or East Asian. Pickering is an exception to this rule because he has tended to close strong, which makes him a good candidate to run a sub 10. In the deuce runners don't run as hard and try to maintain speed longer. Also the runners are slimmer and from observation many of the top white sprinters tend to be slimmer than their black counter parts. Pre-Steroids the bulk difference was barely noticeable.
     
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    Three theories for whites doing better at 200 meters:
    1. Elite whites have better endurance for longer distances than west Africans- which sometimes kicks in a little in a 200 meter race (even though men can basically run at full speed for 200 meters), especially when much effort is put into running the curve.

    2. Maybe elite whites tend to have better technique and footwork running the curve which can make up for SLIGHTLY slower top end speed. I posted the article about white NFL WRs doing better than blacks for how much their short shuttles were better than their 40 times. Whites are indeed very agile with great footwork.

    3. For a 50 meter race the initial acceleration- which strong quads are crucial for- is very important and whites are good at this. The elite blacks more open stride (due to slightly better leg lift- often with slightly longer femurs) allows them to run more gracefully down the final 50 meter stretch.

    And on Bolt: he just has so much natural talent. The guy would have run a 9.55- if he doesn't let up in the final in Beijing. Pickering's best race is a 10.08 with +0.1 m/s too much wind to be legal. If Bolt was clean his 9.55 might turn into a 9.85-9.9, but I would bet my money on Bolt going sub 10 several times even if clean in his career. Bolt was NEVER nothing special- his near 10 flat 100 meter PB only about a year before Beijing was early in his 100 meter training when he was still just shy of 21. Bolt was originally mostly a 200 meter guy.

    Of course I can't completely prove this stuff, but this is my theory.
     
  19. StarWars

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    The theory is that whites aren't as good at blacks at top speed. The 200 and 400 has supposedly yielded more success because although it is sprinting, it is not all out like the 100. With the 50 and 60 the gap is said to be smaller because it is mainly acceleration.
    I think this point has some truth, and may be the reason we do well at other sprinting events than the 100 (morne navel ran a 6.48 60 and a 20.11 200 keeping top speed was his problem, not accelleration or decelleration). But there should be more outliers like Pickering/ Wells/ Lemaitre. A white sub 10, even an Asian one would help.
     
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    that's just natural deceleration.
     
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    Pickering, Cerutti, Guliyev, Lemaitre, Di Gregorio, Collio, and Schwab vs Tsukahara and some other guy. I like our odds.
     
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    I think if whites had the average testicles weight of mongoloids woronins 9.992 would be 9.989 ( i calculatad)lol so a sub 10!!!.I read mongoloids weight on average 18 gram both testicals and whites much more 42 gram(both testicals that is 0.042 kg is 0.096 lbs.LOL [​IMG]
    It is a bit stupid but it shows how close 9.992 is to a rounded sub 10
     
  24. GiovaniMarcon

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    All else being equal, I'd much prefer a white runner to beat 10 seconds than an Asian one.

    Just as I'd prefer a white slam dunk champion better than an Asian one.

    However, for reasons others have already pointed out, I don't think Asians running under 10 seconds would necessarily be a harmful things for whites. In fact, I think it would be an incentive for whites to do better.

    -- in a perfect world, of course.

    The reason I think Asians aren't as "bad" as other races from a caste perspective is that it's okay for the TV to depict Asians as nerds and losers.

    Just as it's okay to depict Indian people or middle easterners in the American media as cab drivers, 7-11 workers, or other menial workers -- with horrible accents to boot.

    These juvenile stereotypes serve to "entertain" DWFs and their black and Mexican friends, in order to make themselves feel superior.

    DWFs like to be racist and "concede" athletic superiority to blacks, even though in their own minds they don't see this as racism at all, but as being liberal and progressive. What they don't want to see, though, is the truth. The truth that they are only condescending to blacks, "gifting" them athletic superiority status without an argument, in the hopes that their neighbors will never be black, or they will never lose their OWN job to a black person.

    It's easy to say blacks and Mexicans are your equals, when you don't have to live next to them, and you have enough money to price them out of your neighborhood and social circle.

    White people don't have to "gift" as many things to Asians, and to a lesser extend Indians. That is because in large measure they are able to take care of themselves.

    That is why they come under fire from Black and Mexican crybabies and their DWF "supporters" in the media.

    In the disgusting liberal mind, any White or Asiatic person who has succeeded has done so because of economic superiority over blacks, not inherent superiority like better dedication and intelligence.

    Whites and Asians are punished for their success.

    DWFs who gift athletic supremacy to blacks don't even realize how racist they are really being. What they are saying is "blacks can have their sports because they're so stupid they don't even realize how little power that is, on the field-level, in the great scheme of things."

    The same liberal grandstanders always harping about how bad whitey is are the same ones making the most money of Buckwheat.

    I don't care if Asians break 10 too, but I'd really hate it if a Mexican were to be slam dunk champion or the fastest man in the world or the heavyweight champ in the world.

    Oh yeah I forgot -- a white man is the heavyweight champ of the world. But no one besides us knows that, because everyone else in America is under the impression that if "it's not black, it's not champ, and if it is champ and not black, he stole it, not earned it."
     
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    great post, Giovani. great post.
     

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