If I did made race sport Book

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  1. waterbed

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    I would not do this because I am a bad writer, I am not good in writing down my toughts an I am lazy with typing plus English is not my first language.But the white athletic qualaties compared to other races, and giving arguments that not everything that whites are good in is always just becuase they are discrimination others or that whites are the only ones that like it fascinates me.We all now it is modern to praice all qualitys like dancing, rhytm even IQ of others and say when white sare good at something it is fake and are holding others down.
    You see this in sports but also in normal jobs with crazy diveristy qoutes always against whites.I already said that I think I find an o.k. way to show in athletics that the overwhelming amount of whites in the top in the strength events is just fro example not only becuase whites like it.I analyse it in my strange way just like in school with math that the teacher said to me I have no idea how you calculated it but the aswer is kindy right:) I already Analysed the shot put and discuss partially and saw 98 whites 7 blacks and 1 arab and no others in discuss.that is 92% whites in the IAAF toplist.The fastest black was 71.14 meter the least furtest 67.10 meter that is a differnce of 4.04.
    The furtest whites was 74.08 and 18th white guy 70.06 which is 4.02 if you look at place 19th white you see that 4.04 would be white 18,18.
    This is indication that there are 18.18/7 is 2.60 times more whites training training hard for the shot put.Or you good say 2.60 more with good facilities.If some blacks have not great faciltys and others do then this would make differnce netto doesn't mather much becuase gap between eacohter becomes bigger in 1 to ... except if you think nearly not all blacks at all have ok facilties to train.I did also some other indicators with SD and normal distribution and to keep it simple it still looks not far away from 2.6.That means not exactly and I don't say becuase I do this just on my own that is totally perfect calculated .But I think it is now 7 blacks to 98 blacks that it would be 18 to 98 if black and whites had same interest.It looks like if all Blacks arabs mongoloid and whites trained all the same that whites would be 76% of the toplist blacks 18% and with using some other measurments national records, and year bests the biggest factor of he 10% others arab, indian east asia), would be most of the 10% arab.I cant type but maybe I will find I way in words how i calcualted all thing but I must Say i find 76% impressive for like 12% of world population.I also did measuemtns calculating from shot put and saw whites are even better also reatively for interst for that.First I saw whites are 98 of 102 top list.So white you also need nation records of other races but it looks whites are 96% of toplist and if others had same inerst there precence of the people of colour( joking i hate that term becuase it used creates non whites vs whites) would be around 250% bigger but still be only 9.9%.with blacks 5.8% and other 4.1 with arab the most of it( with actually one in the bottum real top list).Arabs are a lot like whites but 3.5 height differnce plus being when they are the same height slighly lighter build 2%.But in the top this makes lot differnce, becuase if your average is higher then your top too is too if standard derrivation is the same which is nearly always I saw the reoson I only saw blacks have more variation in leg size realitvely to height.You aslo see that bodyheight is linear to bodybuild( to compensate higher gravity) but you have a lot of build differnce at people from the same height so shorther can still be often be bigger build then taller guy.I expect Javelin and the other strength event to be of the same strength dominat for whites as discuss so less as the extreme shot put dominace.With the shot put I didn't count Reese Hoffa becuase he has a white parent so is likely more then half white althrough DWF's as you call It dont even what it is exacly is will use him as and say one black dude does the shot put and he dominantes.


    So it looks Altrough my reaserch that whites like it a bit more then blacks , altrough a lot of white toppers can work domitavating, that whites do train for it more( then blacks not all races BTW) or at least more with good accomodations but it can also only explain the small minority part of the white succes and doesn't explain why the around 90% of the world that is non whites is only a few percent in the toplists.Eeven it looked like east asians trained more for it absolutely but not realtively, so less more then they are bigger population altrough the sample was small but still immpressive that you do so great if you are most likely not even the ones training for it the most.Dont forget lot of the whites in the toplist came from realitvely poor countries.

    I would like a book with the caste football perspective and you mention the records and the reoson you think not every white qualty is just becuase whites are holding others down, but that whites as you can see are great at strength and I have to further calcualte the differnces runners but you dont have to call them less then african runners,They just look the be intemediar between west and east in long distance and in the sprints too.(Except west africans how may others have runned 3 times sub 20, 1 times sub 10 in the 200 and 100 meters and sub 44 seconds 400? Alotrough I didn;t calculated if whites train fro it 1000 more wioth good accomdoations.. middle distance races seamm to be no factro except maybe mongolids who are very absent and in long distance east african some better times but mongoloids around the same and others.)
    You can mention that this differnces is not racist or very crazy to think all qualitys are exact the same for the populations that sometimes even lived 40.000 years apart.So this is not always A good idea to be for diversity and Quotas becuase the differnces in Qualtitys could be in the working place too with a few % making big differnce at the top, not even mentioned that gender and culture altrough culture could be influcuned by genes are a facor too in your preference what influecned %.There could be a lot of reosons whiteys are sometimes in something a higher % then in country%.Also if you like diversity much you don't have to use this only when whites are overrepresented becuase that is really a form of discriminating.
    That I would be all in my book if I was a better writer and I would be going further in depth with anaylsing the toplists athletics.So far it looks whites don't suck at any event and look very allround too.Maybe I will anayse more quality with taking in other facors.
    I think what Alexander Idea of a book is great but I wouldn't just use the % becuase I think no offence that most people now whites win most in winter olympics but also they think whites like it more whcih I think too fron the winter Olympics but that doesn't mean whites have not certain qualitys there, with lower gravity point then blacks but higher reatlively then mongolids and gracvity is great for balance but the weight that whites are heavier is much more advantage down hill then the only very small balance differnces.( only 1 to 2% realtivelt shorter legs) plus heavier build is great for balance.Also in summer there are a lot of not so athletic events.And people now Chna won the most but you can better compare China to all whites of the world together which is still less smaller population.Bu I am going offf topic lol I remeberd some probably asian on inernet writing that asians are so great becuase of the most medals.Bu then can I say dutch national records with 13 million whites dutch in strength events shot discuss is higher then that of the 1.3 billion chinese but so you can go on and on.I would like some fundation if I maked the book for the qaulktiys of whites and mention the qualty of black sprinters as well and others.I like the idea of a book of alexander.But I cant make nice wroted book and I just like to find the real qaultiys behind the high amoun of whites and some events blacks and how much could be environment.Also a lot of people wopuildn't like the book becuase they are used to see bad bad whitey and not like some strong indciations arguments of qualtiy differnces and whites being looked in totally will look athletic, and then a lot of people get some addict brainwash complications that are slighly going away hopefully.
     
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    arabs differcnes build is 5.5% with 3.5% becuase of height+ 2 at same height so 5.5 plus 3.5 heavier is 9% heavier., 5.5% thicker build.And black 14% not 18, 18 persons is the amount +- at same particpating factors.
     
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    body compisition, based on this they used old people from some popualtion and younger for others when I see the height, which makes more differnces in let say shoulders then height.So you also need that but you can search for length elsewhere and take that into facor when looking at for example shoulder relatitvely to height which shrinks nearly nothing when you age but height does.http://dined.io.tudelft.nl/en,international
     
  4. Carolina Speed

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    Observer, could you break down just one of his points, lets say about the 100 or 200 m? I'm not quite understanding what waterbed is exactlysaying. Sorry, I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't quite get it.
    I would really like to know, because I'm more familiar with the sprints than with the throws.

    Thanks!
     
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    I did mean that arabs, indians ,La raza , Indians haven't run sub 20 in the 200 meter( whites 3) or runned like Jeremy Wariner or runned lik christophe lemaitre Quality wise, so also at sprint whites aren't dramatic.But I only anaysed shot put and Discuss throw and looked if all dominance is pure more amount of practise much more.Sprinting I just looked a bit at top list.Does nobody understand anything of this, I hope it was not so dramatic written.


    you know that if 1/3 less practising something in amount, 1 in 3 would less would in top more then the one practsing with 1/3 bigger pool.The more people do something the less differnce between 1fst to like 10th place...when you take for example a third of the top black sprinters away for example 3th best 6th best then 2 and 4 th become 2 and 3. this is why I looked at differnce between first and last in the top list of the 7 blacks and saw 4.04 deiffernce from 1 to 7 in for example shot put and looked 1 to what whitey is 4.04 meters differnces which is 1 to 18 place or little over.this is why I thought they are from this small sample 2.6 times less amount of practisers blacks vs whites.And used other calculations too.whis is even harder for me to explain.

    The height of arab men is even more then average 3.5% according to most statistics like 5% but tha isn't important.Arabs in the west would be more or less around 3.5%.
     
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    Top 10 black sprinters within 0.27 of eachother and top 10 white sprinters within 0.13 seconds.Again it looks in the 2 range.Just like shot put it looks like around2 times more white participants.But the thing with blacks is the 10% build differnce between west and east african descendents en endurance and sprint.So when you think 2.1 or 2.6 times less train for it it could be just the same amount becuase east and west african are so differnt,so west africans dont come in top list like east african rate long distance , and the other weay around in the sprints there are no east africans in the top.So you can inerperatate 2 times less nearly also as the same particpating of ******** in amount.So it looks 2 times less but you just have to splits blacks becuase you see west africans only in some events in the top and west african descendents too so very differnt qualtiys, white qualitys are much more the same altrough a bit more east guys in the strength events.sh*t I don't know how to explain it.
     
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    this 0.27 and 0.13 was in the 100 meters BTW.I also have see becuaee east asians are so little in the toplists I had to take nationale records of countries too.It looks like east asians train not so much differtn amount it strength sprint even looks they do a little more except sprints.But this only looks becuase it a mostly the japanese in the sprints but this looks genes and checked the body measuremnts link and saw east asians had the shortest legs to upper body ratio but In japanese this was much less looked intemediar between chinese and whites.So to me this is no suprise that they do it relaltively good.You can see the link I posted earlier and you can calculate by looking at sitting height and then body height you can calculate it.
    So mongolids could have a bit advatage over whites in the low weight classes weight lifting but 2% shorter arms 15% build differnce( 10% at the same height) .But I see the strongest just as ther strongest so the one that can lift the most.Just like I think real top speedy's don't go jumping over hurdles.

    IT just looks like particpating numbers can't explain much differnces much in the top.
    I give whites for 1 bad 10 good.

    10 for strength speed technical combination( discuss, shot put javelin etc.)
    8 for sprinting
    8 middle ditance
    8 long distance

    west africans 10 for speed
    8 for strength
    7 middle disnace
    7 long distance

    east african blacks long distance 9( 2% dominance in time is not enough for 10)middle distance8
    sprint 7
    strength6

    Arabs middle distcance 8.5
    long distance8
    strength 8( weightlifting maybe 9 becuase some arab countries reaktively short arms)
    sprinting 7.5

    Mongoloidslong distance8
    middlle distance 7
    sprints7
    strength7
     
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    Sorry, CS, here's the post missing in the sequence because I was revising it and ran out of time:
    I think what waterbed is doing in that particular post is trying to standardize the cultural and socio-economic factors that might help or hinder an athlete (things such as whether a particular sport is "hot" in a country, and whether there are good training facilities, etc.). After that is factored out, then a better judgement can be made about how a certain racial or ethnic group would perform in a particular sporting event.

    As far as sprints are concerned, I think waterbed is of the opinion that Africans, at least in a longish sprint, will tend to have a statistical advantage because they have relatively small bodies for their height (I will add that after a certain distance, the size of the lungs becomes more critical; i.e., a long-track race horse needs a big rib cage, and not so much long legs); and also because a particular African tribe's genetics are close, and so extremes will tend to arise. Thus, a white European with a broader mix of genetics will be able to excel in a mix of events like the decathlon or triathlon, while an African from tribe X may be a super sprinter, but not so good at anything else, while another African from tribe Z will be a super long-distance runner, but good at nothing else.Edited by: Observer
     
  9. Carolina Speed

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    Thanks Observer,
    I think I understand what you and waterbed are saying in regard to track & field. It sounds logical in a way or at first. Where you tend to see more athletes of African descent in the running and some jumping events only. But when it comes to other events where it takes a combination of running, coordination, and or strength, you tend to see more athletes of Europeanheritage. As you said, the decathalon, but also thepole vault, where it takes a combination of strength,coordination, and speed.

    You,(waterbed) mentioned in the longishsprint events, about certain body types having a possible advantage? The only question I have there is; thereare people of other descents with that type of build, such as the Scandanavians. Don't they tend to have that longer leaner body type, yet their climate doesn't lend itself well, to some sprinting events, yet they tend to be good high jumpers?

    Where I don't see a particular advantage is in the U.S., unless you again want to chalk it up to race or genetics in any events! Most people in this country who want to compete in track & field have an equal playing fieldas far training, climate, etc. We also have all kinds of racialheritage and body types, no matter what color you are, right?

    As I said earlier, I'm more familiar with the sprinting events and its' been my experience that U.S.kids of African heritage dominate those events because thats where they tend to gravitate, where white kids will gravitate towards long-distance, throws, pole-vault, or even some of the jumps. Couple that with the fact that most white kids are also playing baseball, instead of running track. One of my first posts on CF I said I wanted to address this, but I don't think I ever did. I know from my own experience that their are white kids that can excel in the sprint events and also,as evident with whatother posters have put on the track & field thread.
    There are many fast kids on the baseball field, but they are not training for sprints, they're playing another sport that takes a totally different type of training.

    So I'm not sure how some of waterbeds thoughts translate here. I'm not sure if we try to overanalyze or what. Some of our thoughts do seem rational though. I have some other thoughts also, but I'm running out time. What do you think?
     
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    Scandininavians little bit taller then average white but not as muchas dutch for example.In bodybuild I did see very little differnce between whites, espacially at the same height.Nearly
    all whites are mix of lot of tribes which makes the differnce in build much less then in sub saharan africans.Also the continet is very big and they fighted more against eachother then in any other continent with less mixing.White tribes did some fight but after they mixed often.I read about a white american that haddutch german grand fathers and didn't undertsand why she has 25% meditteranic genes or so from test
    and said: this is not right according to my family hisory and where they come from.But she did not now that whites differs only slightly from the further away the less of that tribe.Scandinavians have not differnt leg to upper body ratio much, probaly did mean absolutely but that is also only slightly, not like dinaric alphs or dutch.Scandinavia is also very tiny populated.
    I do think west africans btw are not
    as fast as african americans.Becuase of the height differnce, I have heard of of very tall black tribes but I always read average west african countries men as 5.6 5.7 5.8 feet.
    The longer legs, which is infuecvled by height and ratio and higher gravity point is adavantge is this:at the same relatively power newton and same technique when that factors are the same the higher gravity guy takes longer strides.I first thinked myself it doesn;t mather because at same explosiveness the 10% longer stride duration is 10% longer.But I did forget that the flying of sprinters is nearly the same or only a bit more time then the pushing with takes like 0.1 second.So every stride more at same power eats 0.1 second of your 100meter time.Christophe lemamire have very high gravity and takes big strides but that doesn't mean Usain bolt has as a black more chance at having the most explosive muscles becuase there is a bigger pool of blacks with higher gravity.so more often could have the combination of tools for fast sprinter.If you look at standard derrivation you see that the differnce in amount % from 4 sd to 5 is 300.so that means if you say 0 to 1 sd is a group of 34% and 1 to 2 13.5% then when when you are with being 4% faster then you are around faster then 80% , but if the differnce in average is 4 % this makes in the top nealy a differnce of 4/5 of 300 times more people in the top.If you say 5% is 1 sd in speed differnce and you say fro example that 1 group is 4% faster then other, and sd is the same .I dont say this is the exact differnce and you have to take in most ******** are not west african descendants so it wouldn't be 240 to 1 also this would only be if west africans would be the same height as from the american continent ones.So being faster is % more common at average people then in the top if yo have a group that is 4 % faster average adavantage of tallness would be much more easily to see if there would be just as much
    tall people as average height people.



    Observer: yes I did mean that whitres are more a mix of genes/tribes and are not only top strength becuase of environment.
    And I think if sub saharah africans did mix as much as white tribes did they would be the same at running and less at strength.
    I also think that Calves that are thick what whites often have is great fro balance and compensating the longer torso so you are not less at first meters but could hurt a bit stride length at top speed and come a bit faster on the ground.I think white have great overall strength and In the things they are most bad they are Intemediar.I think if whites didn't mix so much they would be overall the same very great as they are, but more specific and would be even more stronger i the top( but not on average becuase it depends then a lot on which tribe you are)and would be even more close to west africans short and east africans long distance( but overall no better runner) and whites would be less good at decathlon as they are now.
    Yes I did mean that at same
    circumstances whites would still be very dominant at strength events and this is why I looked to 1 to 10 place for example and counted
    and the differnce in performance becuase this says abit about the amount.if you have 2 times more people you have 50% chance that there would be 1 more better then the record for that group is now.

    If a third less blacks did sprinting then they don now,and you take Usain bolt ,powell,gay and gay didn;t decide to sprint then the differnce in time of 1 st and 2nd wul be the time differnce of bolt and gay so the differnce between 1st second etc, would be 1st and 3

    the bigger the sample you take the better assumption you can make about amount of popularity differnce so you atek that in to see quality differnce.The bigger amount you take the more accurate.It is difficult becuae there are so much more blacks in the toplist sprinting and whites much more in strength events.But I looked also at national recors and looked of differnce record economy.But I saw fast that the differcnes are great mayoirty genetic in strength and plenty of poor white country people+ the particpating differnces are small.I first tought 14% blacks would be in toplist discuss all factors the same but I have to realse it is not fair to count west african with there realitively more sdtrength then east africans the same aount as whites totally.becuae if you do that at endurance too then you take bigger poll ******** then whites.

    Some people think whites have mostly less top end speed 100 meter.Yes they often can get beated at the end but that doesn't mean they slowd more down.becuase top end speed is topsspeed minus a minuscule amount of speed like 2 %.And if whites would have bad sprint endurance then they would do realtively bad 200 meters to 100 meters which they do in fact realtively better
    In 200 meter is much more top end speed with more speed loss.and you need great balance in the curve with makes it more allround together with the speed endurance which makes a bit up for maybe speed differnce.

    Whites great strength and ALLROUND , lor of mixing maked whites not loss of stregth average, but maked less dominant but still dominant

    running: intemediar between west and east africans but netto the same as west africans
    and as east africans overall runner.Compared to east asians, analysing let me believe
    more east asians do sprinting absolutely but not relatively and still 3 times less 10.10 100 or less.in the 200 and 400 meter the differnce a bit more, also middlle significant at 800 meters and 1500 meters and very long distance the same Quality.

    so blacks more specific runners less alrround and less strong( althrough west africans can't be called weak from totally world point)

    east asians: mostly less except long distance.
    I look biased but(110 meter)hrudles doesn't say much just as weightlifting low weight class to me , but they do have shorther lims also relatively so advantage and low weight class lifting

    I tryed to be objective and in some way I even hoped blacks wouldn;t come out as less strong becuase it makes me even more erritating caste system.In some other way I hoped they were.


    Samoans are said to be very stronng but are very little of them.Also I saw at healthy bodyfat they are not so robust.If you eat to much you also gain some muscle( not always)
    ,for whites this is a find out a bit lower then for most other populations fat to msucle gain ratio( this is compared to blacks also)

    .This was espacially
    in very high 30% fat the case.It is also not great to compare 2
    2 differnt polautions with differnt bodyfat average.but bodyfat guys with 20% or more fat are not so athletic mostly.
     
  11. Carolina Speed

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    OK Observer, I hate to ask, but could you translate waterbeds' post. I understand some of it, I think, but he loses me a little and I didn't gethis reaction to U.S. Black athletes track/ U.S. white athletes baseball? Only if you have time. I think waterbed is trying to make some interesting points and I would like to understand everything he is trying to convey.

    Thanks.
     
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    baseball? American continents are taller then west africans most of the time west africans very small in height.Would it be becuase whites mosly buy the taller slaves, or nutriton? With Standard derrivation( can check standard derrivation wiki) I did mean that a few % makes alot of differnce in the top.0 to 1 standard derrivation above average is 34.1% in a normal distribution.1 to 2 standard derrivation is 13.7% which is like 2.5 times less.if you look wikipedia you see 4 sd above average is 300 times less amount then the tiny amount of people that are 5 sd above average.This means it is more often that the 3% less fast group is faster 3 times out of the 10 than the group that is on average 3% faster but in the top you are much less then 3 of 10,let say 1 sd in speed is 5.3% but let it for the ease of use be 5%.then it make in the top a lot of differnce if of the whites 9.9 speed is 5 sd above average and for west africn blacks 4.4 sd above average.So some people think it is not so rare to see a stronger black then white or a speedyer white then black, it is true, but in the aboslute top if both groups have same variation in speed it makes a lot of differnce in presence. trhis is why a black could be 3 out of 10 times random choosed be stronger but would only be a tiny amount in the top or other why around in the sprints.

    looking at participating; this is realtively easy to explain for my bad english

    top 10 blacks 100 meter

    1Usain Bolt 9.58
    2Tyson Gay 9.72
    3asafa powell 9.72
    4Nesta Carter 9.78
    5Maurice Greene 9.79
    6Steve Mullings 9.80
    7Donovan Bailey 9.84
    8Bruny Surin9.84
    9Leroy Burell9.85
    10 Fasuba 9.85

    that is 0.27 s. differnce.let say it would have been less populair and for ease of use 3th Powell 6th Mullings,9th Leroy didnt decide to sprint then the top 7 would already had a differnce of 0.27 seconds.
    so 0.27 differnce 1 to 7 place looks like lower participatinmg then 0.27 seconds 1 to 10.This is way to small sample but just for ease.

    this is when it is a third less populair.if it wice twide as populair then you know 50% chance 1 would have been faster then 1st now etc.

    if you see that the east asians in javelin are close to eachother in meters 1,2, 3 and smaller difefrnce then whites + all bottom then it smells like whitey is good.

    I thought 14% blacks could be in top shot put at same circumstances and same particpating but that is probably if all blacks would be non east african.otherwise you cound blacks double becuase the differnces of east and west africans.I think as long as whites don't shrink much in population no mather the economy the non white presence in Discuss, Javelin, shot put would be small.Athletics in Holland isn't populair at all and we have not so good records but in strength with our 13 million ethnic white dutch better national record then China,japan in like Discuss and shot put isn't totally be just because whites in this example dutch like it.It doesn't look like this at all if you look at how it is ditributed and were the top strength guys come from.with east asians having small gap between 1 st to ... and blacks it doesn't explain lookin at the gap between them too alot.
     

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