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Discussion in 'Track & Field' started by white lightning, Jul 26, 2008.
it's interesting to note that collins and blake both have been caught juicing at one point
for the 200m, alonso edward (2nd in 2009 worlds) said that he was feeling good, and that a lot of people were going to be surprised
Well, there's no doubt that Christophe has let a golden opportunity slip by. We have been talking about Daegu for months, and the general consensus was that he was capable of a 5th place finish in a full-strength field. If anyone told us 3-4 months ago that when the gun goes off, there'd be no Bolt, Gay, and Powell on the starting blocks, we'd have all guaranteed CL would win a medal. The only debate would've been the color. So, on that note, it's disappointing.
As I said before, a medal in the 200m and another one in the 4x100 would be more than enough to salvage something respectable out of these championships. I'm glad no one is satisfied with a 4th place finish because it goes to show we have very high expectations out of this young man. When he eventually peaks around age 25, and stays there for 4-5 years, it'll be a treat to watch him during the rest of this entire decade.
for all those in this thread that criticise Lemaitre 4th place, here is the list of the guy he had to beat in this championship to get this 4 th place:
Justin Gatlin PB 9.85
Michael Frater SB/PB 9.88
Richard Thomson SB/PB 9.85
Nesta Carter SB 9.90 PB 9.78
So give him a break...
Loly, it's not that we're being critical for its own sake. Those guys you listed well under-performed and their supporters have a right to be disappointed too.
Christophe DID NOT run a good race. That is an objective truth, not a hate message.
We all still support him wildly, but let's not afraid to be objective when it matters
Asafa Powell said that Blake is responsible for Bolt's false start. He said he noticed that Bolt was looking at Blake, and that Blake moved a little bit. He said he's suprised the sstarter didin't noticed it.
Here are a couple of observations from a fellow who - due to an intense aversion to certain branches of chemistry and their selective application to sports - has never possessed any real interest in athletics beyond ogling fit White women and whose technical knowledge of sprinting prior to semi-regularly reading posts by our resident Caste Football track doyens consisted of a conviction that the competitors simply dashed towards the finish line with as much lung-busting, hamstring-searing speed as they (and the cattle steroids they injected themselves with) could muster.
Firstly, Christophe Lemaitre was the only normal-looking geezer in the final - one doesnâ€™t have to be an expert to see that. The blacks were obviously juiced up with all kinds of life expectancy curbing chemical compounds that only a bona fide village idiot would go anywhere near - which, along with their ridiculous posturing and posing prior to the race, clearly explains why the n-n-Negroes gleefully pickle themselves with steroids. Any â€œillicit organ dealersâ€ can forget about harvesting the kidneys of black sprinters...
Secondly, Kim Collins â€œwonâ€ a bronze medal at the age of 35, which launched the commentators into a joyful overflow of admiration at such a â€œwonderful achievementâ€. Wonderful? What a load of fungus-blotched bollocks. In which other sport can a 35 year old bloke outpace fellows in their early twenties? The speediest players on a soccer team are generally the wingers - yet how many 35 year old wingers are there and, more significantly, how many of those ultra-rare specimens can beat a 21 year old counterpart for pace? Yet Collins is even older than that other Corinthian paragon Linford â€œLunchboxâ€ Christie was when the latter â€œwonâ€ the 100m gold at the 1993 World Championships. And people always wondered why I never took an interest in athletics...
As other infinitely more knowledgeable posters have already noted, Lemaitreâ€™s slow start ruined his chances. Apart from a Youtube clip or two, I havenâ€™t seen him run before but I made the effort to watch the final and must say that - once he gets going - Lemaitreâ€™s speed is roadrunner-esque. Iâ€™m convinced that if he was competing against drug-free opposition such a bad start would not be fatal as he could chase down pretty much everyone in the final 30 metres or so.
Speaking of his start, I (perhaps naively) assume that much of it may be the product of feeling the crushing pressure and burden of expectation of being the only White man in the field â€“ which of course means that the decades-long "system" is indirectly exerting its maleficent influence on any White man that has a chance of overturning it.
Yohan Blake may be the same age as Lemaitre but - all steroids aside - the system has ensured that as a black he doesnâ€™t feel the same pressure as Lemaitre and, most importantly, definitely none of the Frenchmanâ€™s potential subconscious racial self-doubt. On the contrary, his colour and nationality serve to boost his confidence â€“ after all, blacks are the fastest race on the planet, arenâ€™t they, :kev:so he at least doesnâ€™t have to worry about the lone White geezer whoâ€™s only there to make up the numbers... :kev:
Anyway, Lemaitreâ€™s performance can be labelled a success as he:
(a) qualified for the final (which proved that a White man is fast and also scuttled the popular image of the all-black final),
(b) didnâ€™t finish last (if he did, it would have been even more counterproductive than going out in the semifinals, as this would have provided more â€œlook at the White guy coming last, ha, ha!â€ prime-time footage for the newsreels), and
(c) he finished ahead of three blacks in front of a world-wide audience
Hopefully Lemaitre can achieve a podium finish in the 200 metres.
Good points. Lemaitre has done better than would have been expected a few years ago, even if this is as good as he will ever be.
indeed. we can be proud and i am sure that he will give us medals yet!
Over at Alternative Right, there is an article on race and sprinting. The author seems to buy into black supremacy in sports. But there are some decent responses that correct his mistake:
"Ultimately, then, this entire exposition about Black supremacy in athletic competition ..."
Well, some athletic competitions. Whites by far win the most medals in both the summer and winter Olympics.
An all white team won soccer's World Cup the last two competitions.
Two Ukranians (the Klitschko brothers) dominate heavyweight boxing.
Five of the top 10 MMA fighters are white (3 are Hispanic).
Tennis, golf, wrestling, rugby, swimming, hockey, volleyball, judo, cycling and the like have a miniscule number of blacks at the elite level.
Heck, a 20 year old white man - Christopher Lemaitre - took 4th in the 100 in the recent track world championships. He will likely "de-black" the 100 and 200 in the next Olympics."
the blood testing is not "volontary". It is "mandatory" for all athletes. People are getting confused because IAAF said 75% of the athletes in Deagu already gave their blood "volontary". That just means athletes have to give blood during the championship, and they can give it when they want. But all of them will have to give. So will see for Blake and so on...
Christophe has massively long legs and a short body, fairly slender build, tall, he has a body type like Usain Bolt. Perhaps it would be better with slighly more slender hips but thats about it. He has the opposite of what animals/people usually have growing up in cold climates - a large body with short limbs (which is terrible for running).
i am built like that too, alot of people are built like that in nordic populations
some positive thought on this race, from a local newspaper, from my city
here lemaitre and his coach and other important people comment his race
I'm just watching the semi-final again. CL was totally crushed by Michael Frater at start.
Frater, at lane 4, takes 1 meter to CL just at start. Crazy!
Kimmons, at lane 6, does nearly the same. And CL has to work all race long to get back.
But let's have a look at reaction times:
Astonishingly, CL just has the best reaction time. So apparently the problem for him is more a lack of strength when pushing off than a bad reaction time. CL has to get more muscle.
But if he does so, he will probably decrease his top speed. Difficult equation.
He needs to get stronger, but he might need to decide what event he will specialize in. If he does bulk up and add ten pounds of muscle his 200 meter endurance will suffer, but his ability to compete with the true elite of the 100 meters will improve. Borzov was a rare White sprinter that was probably more dominant in the 200 but really specialized in the 100. Most have chosen one or the other and the other event suffered.
No they aren't. White Northern European people generally have larger bodies and shorter limbs, theres stats to back this up and you can look at Allen's Rule to find differences in populations of the same species depending on climate. Larger bodies and shorter limbs helps deal with the cold, and guess what, the Nordic populations had to deal with the harshest winters around.
It just also happens to be massively advantageous in swimming and strongman events, but usually **** for running. It isn't a coincidence.
i think that people from nordic countries are taller and more built like bolt than people from south of europe
maybe you are right...i don't know
It's simply difficult for a non-roided sprinter like Lemaitre to compete in both events. My opinion, He should specialize in just one event (preferably 100 meters) in the long run. Unless, Lemaitre and his coach finds a way to get stronger without bulking too much.
On a late note, Blake's 9.92 in a -1.4 m/s wind is just plain ridiculous, simply NOT achievable without the aid of PEDs.
In fact, ONLY Lemaitre and Vicaut seemed like the clean sprinters in the finals. Looking at various videos of the WC 100 meter final, a growing number of idiots actually believe the GUN starter, and not Bolt is to blame for his disqualification. They claim Bolt was just too fast for the gun, although new rule change (DQ after 1 false start) is simply ridiculous itself. Bolt clearly false started, and Bolt-fans are clearly on sour grapes. :rofl:
I think being in lane 8, and the Bolt DQ, took Lemaitre out of the race mentally. There is no way he should have been in Lane 8 in the first place, given that he was an automatic qualifier in the semis.
That all said, he did miss a HUGE opportunity.
Bolt, Powell, and Gay all out of the final. The chances of that happening at the Olympics in 2012 are miniscule.
It's great that he made the final and came in 4th. He is probably the 1st white in a 100m WC/Olympic in many years. We can be very happy about that.
But nobody really remembers 4th place.
He needs to medal to make an impact on the public consciousness of white sprinters and white athletes, like Jeremy Wariner did.
Going forward he will need to work on his race mechanics and his mental focus (he also false started in the semis of the 2009 WC.) for continued success.
Meanwhile, let's hope he can get to the podium in the 200m later this week.
Even to do 2 events in one major championship is hard on a roider and it's that much harder on a clean athlete. It's 6 rounds and the 200 meter specialists have fresh legs. At most major meets if a 100 meter specialist has tightness after the 100 or is feeling knackered generally they withdraw from the 200. That's why the 200 fields at major meets are generally softer.
Can somebody explain the race of Nesta Carter?
1) When Bolt false starts, Carter is the only one to stay in the blocks.
2) After second start, Carter "stopped" running after 50 meters and did 10.95.
He did a strange race. It's just like if he didn't want to run.
This probably contributed to disturb CL, as Carter was his neighbour on the track.
A detail about CL position in starting blocks. Have a look at this video, at 5:20, and focus on CL right heel.
His heel is not well blocked, and when CL starts pushing, it slightly goes back.
I am not a specialist at all, so I can be wrong, but this looks like a bad position which may imply a loss of force when pushing off.
Very good points. I personally think Bolt false started on purpose. Some other people on some track forums agree with me. He is way to experienced. He didn't want the mandatory testing. I think they will afraid of the blood testing. They will have an undectectable ped source ready for next year but I really believe Bolt thought he would get caught. So like Asafa, he took the easy way out of testing. We will see what happens with Blake.
If I was Christophe, I would have been distracted too. He still has to take some of the blame but he did have alot of distractions.
interesting point. But after looking the video, I noticed Bolt did the same (that's the only heel I can see). So it migh be standard