Charles Rogers -- total loser

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  1. GreatLakeState

    GreatLakeState Mentor

    Apr 22, 2005

    Story from Detroit Free Press about bust Charles Rogers, pointing out
    he was a punk in college, too. When he was in high school in Saginaw,
    Rogers was hailed as a future Olympic sprinter. I was at the track
    state finals his junior year, and he lost to future Raider Stuart
    Schweigert, from a white Saginaw school, in the 100 meters.

    <h3>Lions receiver Rogers must prove himself worthy </h3>

    November 5, 2005


    If the NFL draft ever had a known commodity, it should have been Charles Rogers.

    Yet here we are, three years into Rogers' career, and we seem to know less about him than ever.

    His career numbers? Three touchdown catches, two season-ending collarbone injuries and three positive drug tests.

    His most memorable appearance as a Lion? Probably his apology to
    teammates Oct. 5, when he was suspended for four games for that third
    positive drug test. The speech lasted about a minute. But the Lions
    could tell it was sincere.

    "You could really hear it in his voice," center Dominic Raiola said.
    "Some guys, you don't know if they mean it or not. But when he stood up
    and said it ... it was more embarrassing to him. He was uncomfortable.
    He really messed up. He knows."

    He knows.

    But how much does he care?

    Rogers and fellow receivers Roy Williams and Mike Williams were
    supposed to solve the Lions' offensive woes. Instead, they are part of
    the problem. Teammates have questioned Roy Williams' desire and
    toughness. Mike Williams must show he has the work ethic to thrive in
    the NFL.

    And Rogers, who has been here the longest, has the most to prove.

    After the Bears crushed the Lions, 38-6, in September, Rogers was
    laughing and smiling in the locker room. The startling part wasn't just
    Rogers' demeanor in the wake of a blowout loss; it was that he had no
    fear of being seen by a coach.

    Steve Mariucci's attitude is that the players handle losing in their own way.

    But what if "their own way" is the wrong way?

    After the Lions lost at Tampa -- when they thought they had won in the
    final seconds, only to see a touchdown overturned by instant replay --
    the attitude on the team plane was way too upbeat for some players'
    tastes. Marcus Pollard, the highly respected veteran tight end who
    arrived in the off-season from Indianapolis, finally told the players
    around him to pipe down.

    "I just told them, 'We need to be better about things, the professional part of it,' " Pollard said.

    Did it resonate?

    "I don't know," Pollard said. "I guess I'm from the old school where,
    you know, you gotta handle losing in a certain way and you gotta handle
    winning in a certain way. I wanted people to feel that way -- the guys
    I was talking to around me. And some guys did and some guys didn't."

    He quickly added: "I think for the most part, guys do care."

    Rogers was not one of the players sitting near Pollard. But judging
    from Rogers' reaction to the loss at Chicago, he easily could have been.

    In the past four weeks, as Rogers served his suspension, Pollard tried
    to explain what was at stake -- mostly for Rogers' life and reputation,
    but also for his football career.

    "I said, 'Right now, you're at a crossroads,' " Pollard said. "You
    haven't played a complete season. You're in your third year. At what
    point are you going to say, 'I need to get it?'

    "I told him simply like that: 'When you come back, you gotta be hungry
    again. And hungry means you gotta do whatever it takes to bust your
    butt, to stay in the league, to be the second overall pick.' "

    Rogers has promised he'll do just that. Yet when he returned to
    practice this week, he didn't appear to go full speed on a few plays.
    He also dropped or bobbled several balls.

    Mariucci said this week that his team's biggest problem was "a lack of
    explosive pass plays," which would seem to be Rogers' forte. But right
    now, Rogers isn't even guaranteed a spot on the active roster. He can't
    even beat out Scottie Vines, who was cut before the season and wasn't
    picked up by another team.

    Rogers can say he'll "go out here and bust my ass," as he did earlier
    this week. But he has never really done it. Even at Michigan State, as
    wonderfully as he played, Rogers was not a great practice player.

    "He is the type of guy that doesn't jump out at you in practice," said
    Sherm Lewis, the Lions' offensive coordinator last season. "But when
    the game starts, he makes plays."

    That's how Rogers feels, too: When the game starts, he makes plays. But
    in the first three games this season, when he was healthy and starting,
    Rogers caught only five passes for 77 yards.

    "He wants (them) to throw the ball down the field," said Jeremiah
    McLaurin, Rogers' cousin, former MSU teammate and self-described best
    friend. "That's what got him here: stretching the field at Michigan
    State. You can't tell me he can't stretch the field like that."

    You can't tell the Lions he can.</span> Show them.

    Rogers' teammates say they support him, but they aren't overflowing
    with sympathy. Think of how hard it is to get suspended for drug use in
    the NFL: You have to fail one test just to reach the second stage of
    the program, and then you have to fail two more to get suspended.

    Rogers' first positive test came before he was drafted in 2003.
    Technically, he tested positive for a masking agent, the equivalent of
    a positive test under the NFL drug-testing policy. Rogers' agent, Kevin
    Poston, said the masking agent was "simply excessive water."

    That must have caused a few chuckles in East Lansing. There were
    concerns about Rogers' lifestyle when he was in college. If the Lions
    didn't know that, they didn't talk to the right people. And it's hard
    to believe they didn't talk to the right people because they hired
    Rogers' MSU coach, Bobby Williams, before they drafted Rogers.

    Now the word is out.

    "The money he's lost and some of the damage he's done to his
    appearance, how people perceive him -- it's hard to get that stuff
    back," Pollard said. "I've just been talking to him about that: You've
    got so much talent, you've got so much to lose. Just think about that
    before some of the decisions that you make."

    Does Rogers get it?

    "I hope he does," Pollard said. "Only time will tell. You can talk to a
    person all you want, but until they decide to listen and take it upon
    themselves to change, then they never will. But I think Chuck's got one
    of those personalities where if you tell him something, and he's
    somewhat embarrassed about it, I think he'll respond in the right way."

    It is too early to write off Rogers or the Lions. He is only 24 and healthy; they are 3-4 with two winnable games on tap.

    But at some point, player and team must produce.

    "A lot of people believe in results," Rogers said. "So you've just got to show more results instead of talking about it."

    When the Lions drafted Rogers, they thought they had a sure thing.

    They also thought Rogers would be a symbol of the Mariucci era.

    Maybe he is.

  2. Don Wassall

    Don Wassall Administrator Staff Member

    Sep 30, 2004

    That's one of the dirty little secrets of the CasteSystem NFL -- most fans get a lot more upset when the home team loses than the players themselves do. You can also see it in the after game handshakes, when many of the "losers" are yucking it up on the field with their opponents. Their own personal stat line and their next paycheck are the only things many NFL players care about.

    As for Mariucci, he's another Mike Tice -- any white not playing quarterback or offensive line gets the heave-ho, while excusing and pandering to every possible black pathology. The Lions with Rogers, the Williams Sisters and all the Harrington haters on theroster are just as disgraceful a team as the Vikings, they just haven't had a semi-public orgy, yet.
  3. GWTJ

    GWTJ Mentor

    Jul 21, 2005
    New Jersey
    I hate those after the game get togethers also. I've seen players from both teams get in a circle and have a prayer together, white guys included. I remember one year when a strike was a possibility, before the game the players from both teams would meet at the 50 yard line as a show of solidarity. The truth is, a player considers himself an NFL Union member 1st, and a Dolphin or Steeler or whatever 2nd.
  4. White Shogun

    White Shogun Hall of Famer

    Mar 2, 2005
    The way they see it, its a job. A well-paying one, and fun perhaps, but a job. The owners have no loyalty to them as players, so they see no need to be loyal to the team or it's owner, either.
  5. backrow

    backrow Hall of Famer

    Oct 23, 2005

    i would agree with that, seeing how someone like John Lynch extremely loyal and admired by community player was driven out of Tampa even after he wanted to take a paycut just to stay a Buc for life...
  6. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Oct 15, 2004
    Rodgers was eligible to play this week after his 4 week drug suspention but his play in practice was so poor that the Lions did not even bring him to Minnesota for the game.

    The Lions were beaten pretty badly by the Vikes and the fans are in an uproar. Here are some of the issues.

    Rodgers, is he a bust. Some fans faulted the team for not playing him anyway because the team "needs" him. Rodgers has never really showed that he is a quality receiver but his first pick status gaurentees him a reputation he has never earned.

    Roy Williams, one of the other trio of under acheivers only played a couple of plays in the game. The coach, Marriucci, said Williams told them he was not healthy enough to play. Williams says he was and the coaches just didn't play him. Someones lying, I wonder who?

    Mike Williams the other of the terrible trio, was injured, as always, and played little, and poorly.

    On one 4th and 8 late in the game the Lions had on the field Scotty Vines, a recently signed cast-off, Martinez a recent practice squad kid from a small college, and kick returner Eddie Drummond. So the much bally-hooed 3 amigos were nowhere to be seen at clutch time.

    Kevin Jones a high draft pick at RB is injured (again) and doesn't gain much when he is healthy anyway. Although the fans still think he is the greatest.

    GM Matt Millen who wanted to sign Brad Johnson instead of Jeff Garcia in the off-season but gave in to Mariucci and signed Garcia, got to watch Johnson carve up the Lions like the turkey they are.

    The team is demoralized, the players are revolting [​IMG] , the fans are pissed. just another football season in Detroit.

    Here's my solution by the way.
    Sign Eric Crouch to play QB and go to an option offense. No one in the NFL would be able to defend against it. Sign David Kircus and John Standeford to shore up the receiver corps. Add Luke Staley (who they may still have the rights to) and bring Lumsden in from the CFL or Eckel to run the ball in the two-back option offense. They would score minimum 21 points a game which would be enough to win in their division.
  7. whiteCB

    whiteCB Master

    Apr 14, 2005
    Mike Tice lets players handle losing in their "own way" fairly well by celebrating an awful season on a charter boat cruise and we all know what happened there. Players are just there to collect a pay check and if they win so be it there's always next week lol.
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Thats why i only cheer for individuals [​IMG]
  9. whiteCB

    whiteCB Master

    Apr 14, 2005
    mr.wonderful who is that player in your avatar.
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Josh Ranek, he plays for Ottowa. I played with him at South Dakota state and he is better than most NFL backs. 5'9 205 lbs of pure athlete. He has been tearing it up with a crappy Ottowa team for years now.
  11. Don Wassall

    Don Wassall Administrator Staff Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    The Lions are seeking $10 million from Rogers for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Good luck trying to collect it, but I like the idea!

    You also gotta love the comment by Mariucci, fanatical loyalist to the Caste System that he is:

    Coach Steve Mariucci refused to talk about the grievance, saying he doesn't comment on contracts, and spoke only about the play of Rogers, who had a season-high four catches for 41 yards. "I thought he played well," Mariucci said. "I think he made a good statement today."

    Yeah, Rogers really tore it up with those 41 yards. [​IMG]

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