Bashing of white athleticism among many white activists and the alt-right

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  1. Arerequired

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    I sometimes check some pages in the alt-right/white activism sphere and many otherwise pro-white/racially aware types believe in total white athletic inferiority, they often end up believing in the same myths the "bugmen" or "libtards" they rail against believe in and many seem to have some sort of belief in a "natural equality of the races" while being "race realists" ironically. Although maybe less believe in it than years ago and some users dispute the notion. I decided to post this today because of a few instances of it I came across today.

    For example: https://ibb.co/rcZ4fHp

    They slyly insert it like some sort of sports commentator. Is it so they can operate unmolested from accusations of "white supremacism" or not be called racist? I am aware prominent figures in the white nationalist sphere are documented to do something similar for decades, even to the point of fabricating clearly falsifiable evidence in order to not be called white supremacists. Is it to seem like they give a "fair and objective" analysis (ironically)? Or merely ignorance and not much knowledge about sports with a hefty dose of conditioning? The ones that push this narrative also tend to ignore (or are possibly ignorant but definitely not always) of anything that may contradict their views. It's quite defeatist and self-deprecating as well as pathetic.
     
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    My anti-virus software says that the page you linked has adware on it.

    Most racially aware Whites aren't aware at all when it comes to the Big Lie of black athletic superiority. The main reason is that very few of them have any interest in sports and so have wittingly or unwittingly digested the media propaganda without examining it further. In all the years I've been involved in the "cause" I've met very few people who follow sports at all or participate in them. (As an example, I don't think I've ever met a pro-White man who golfs.) Those who have tried to promote Caste Football on various pro-White sites have almost always fallen on deaf ears.

    There's also the commonly found reasoning that Whites are more intelligent while blacks are better athletes, stronger, more masculine, etc., the racial balancing act explanation that seems to at some level assure those advocates that they aren't really "racist," that the races are equal but with their own strengths and weaknesses that when added up balance out.
     
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    Sorry about that, likely a false positive, imgbb is a reputable site to my knowledge and research.

    Yeah it seems many pro-whites will say this or even self-deprecate themselves so their opposition doesn't automatically dismiss them (it doesn't work anyways), I call it the "aptitudes fallacy".
     
  4. Don Wassall

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    It's a shame because the pro-White universe in this country is small, and those who understand how important the sports/physical/masculine aspect is and how non-stop psy-war has been waged against Whites in furtherance of the lie of black athletic supremacy for the past 50+ years are far smaller still. Most pro-Whites have no idea that they are just as ignorant as their fellow Whites (the masses of DWFs) on racial matters when it comes to what we discuss here.
     
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    Yeah they think we should just be cerebral eunuchs while extolling the supposedly superior masculinity of groups such as blacks. They don't understand just how important it is (dismiss it as unnecessary) and how damaging these lies are to young people. But no doubt things such as Tyson Fury's victory are a great victory not just for Fury but for us all and sent reverberations throughout the internet, made some people reconsider their view on sports and race even for a moment, whites have improved their stock in sports since a few decades ago especially with people who follow sports but these myths are still nearly omnipresent in general society.

    This is a very old article but it challenged these notions before CF existed when almost no one else did and even gave counter examples https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1998-03-22-1998081128-story.html. But its rare you will find writings challenging it even today and unchallenged notions persist.
     
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    Surprisingly good article, I wasn't aware of it before, and would bet a good deal of money that The Baltimore Sun wouldn't publish something like it today.
     
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    I've tried talking on various pro-white sites about white athletes and the use of sports to promote anti-white racism and black supremacy. One of the most common responses I get is that I somehow worship black athletes. This, of course, is completely irrational. While I realize some such responses are made by anti-white infiltrators, many pro-whites seem to hold the same view.

    Meanwhile the anti-whites have almost a monopoly on the use of sports to promote their anti-white ideology and agenda. And many pro-whites are clueless that this is having a major impact on young whites, so they won't even "deign" to fight on this battlefield.
     
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    Thanks for the article! It was a solid, thought provoking and unbiased piece of writing. It looks like the author Gregory Kane passed away in 2014 - he also happened to be black. I was not expecting that when I first read the article.
     
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    There is a lot of truth to the notion that "Alt Right" guys are not really into sports combined with the fact that they are "race realists" who do in fact believe that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to athletics. If we can organize some of the more online activist types who enjoy trolling and posting on twitter to focus on events such as the draft or preseason roster cuts to call out the hypocrisy and make a big stink about it, we could perhaps make a difference and even push players on the bubble over the edge.
     
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    Don is right and we have dealt with this for many years. "Pro-whites" are often the worst enablers of the caste system. I'm sure all the good ol' boy head coaches at southern universities see blacks as primitive savages but insist that they are much better athletes in every case.

    In fairness to that way of thinking it would seem that on average less intelligent people are more physically gifted, even amongst White people. And I assume that is carried forward to the group that is the most ignorant of all.
     
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    Oh yeah I thought this way too once, I made an inverse correlation between intelligence and physical ability, possibly due to the typecasting of intelligent people often as homely geeks, athletes as barely literate jocks and the ying-yang everyone is equal/everything balances out philosophy society pushes. But this way of thinking sort of falls apart when many of the best very athletes (even among blacks, but I don't know the particulars about football since I don't follow it too much) are not the most stupid and in many cases quite intelligent, such as the Klitschko brothers and JJ Watt possibly (majored in something other than basket-weaving), there is the stereotypical dumb brute with great physical gifts but that's definitely not always the case.
     
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    Yup it's definitely hard to gain traction in The Alt Right for our angle. Most don't care about "sportsball" whatsoever.

    @Arerequired agreed. I think the stereotype of Dumb Jocks is overhyped. Many people I've known personally in HS were 2or 3 sport athletes and excelled at academics. Also I feel as a White Athlete no doubt you're expected to be more sound academically than your Affletic counterparts.
     
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    David Duke was (maybe still is?) an avid golfer. Jared Taylor has been a runner and track athlete; he is still, in his later 60's, an exercise and fitness enthusiast.
    This is such an important topic for discussion, precisely because it is taboo in the general public sphere. Racial differences, in the general propasphere, are alternately denied and celebrated only when they favor nonwhites. This is so obviously politically-driven as opposed to fact-based that it should not withstand forceful pushback. And yet it stands.
    It stands because humans are psychologically odd. We flatter ourselves when we refer to our kind as "rational" and "intelligent." We may be more rational and intelligent than other mammals in many endeavors, but we sure do make the rest of the animal kingdom look more rational and intelligent with some of the choices we make and rules we self-impose.
    My own take on racial differences in athletics/sports is that:
    1. groups have natural physically differences, which account for some of the numerical disparities in participation and achievement within sports.
    2. intelligence plays a role in sports, some sports more than others, some positions within team sports more than others.
    3. coaches and administrators have biases, some based on honest observations and some based on political or social pressures.
    4. black athletes are the most chauvinistic, in-group oriented. On a team with few blacks, they advocate for blacks and blackness, while their white teammates, coaches and administrators acquiesce. On teams with many blacks, they are often downright hostile to white teammates, despite having white coaches and administrators. Whites see themselves and act as individuals; whereas blacks act like swarms of bees. I believe this social situation must have pushed numerous whites out of pursuing team sports. If a young white boy cannot stand his local basketball of football teammates, his development is over. No eventual college scholarship, no pro offers.
    The bottom line is that there are natural advantages/disadvantages because we are not all the same, individual vs individual and by racial comparison. Blacks on average have more fast-twitch muscle fibers and denser bones. Swimming events will never be dominated by blacks, because they are have a natural disadvantage. No one should ever say that one group is athletically superior to others because athleticism is measured in different ways.
     
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    I am aware of the differences but popular understanding is somewhat flawed and un-nuanced... I have seen data which indicates the increased bone density isn't consistent throughout the whole body, with whites having denser bones in the rib cage, most of the legs, front of the skull and about equal in the arms, as well as significantly more robust joints but while blacks are denser in some other areas of the skeleton. It's all about what you want to show the world, the bone density meme is mostly a politically correct reason to explain black under-performance in a sport but it isn't really a factor. Most studies have a limited range of radiography and many have a tiny sample size, I have seen a few other posters aware of this as well. Muscle reflex speed which is often cited also isn't consistent throughout the entire body with whites having marginally faster upper arm reflexes in many cases (which may have some relevance in QB throwing, javelin events, shot-put etc...), but blacks do indeed have quicker patellar reflexes. I have seen some studies which indicate whites are stronger relative to lean mass as well (but the way they measure it is somewhat lacking). The problem isn't that people aren't aware of differences or try to ignore them, it's that they won't look at the full spectrum of differences and cherry pick a few to make a group look athletically superior while ignoring/being ignorant of other differences/how these differences may actually play out, as you said celebrated only when they would seem to favor non-whites. Your average dwf bumpkin is aware of innate racial differences (although he may have a poor understanding), they are implied all the time by sports commentators...

    I think Don is rightfully criticizing (the nonsensical and false idea) that reduced intelligence leads to correspondingly increased physical capacity even within groups, or that there is some sort of "natural equality of the races/people" which is grade school mythology but seems to be prominent among the general population and even "race realists", for example, are most Pakistanis who are less intelligent than your average white also correspondingly athletically superior? Doubtful, especially looking at it through outcomes, as well as the intelligent athletes point I brought up earlier. Not criticizing the idea of there being racial differences per se.

    Of course broad claims of athletic inferiority/superiority of groups are not very objective but many people think in this way and that's why I am using it in this context.

    Black over-representation in sprints is predictable but the heavy black over-representation in NFL/NBA overall seems to be mostly due to the "caste system"/disproportionate black participation in those sports, especially the NBA, as some of the few white NBA players allowed to play today are often among the best such as Doncic who was even recently considered a candidate the best preforming player currently in the NBA as a whole, and they don't seem to be over-preforming in rugby which is the closest equivalent to ammy football internationally, SA's team is like at least half white with blacks being 80 percent of the population in that country. Differences in average sprints/swimming performance for reasons other than participation can also be attributed to differences in body shape/lung/tendon/bone structure/as well as body fat amount/distribution.
     
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    One thing I and others have mentioned over the years is that sometimes blacks look stronger than they actually are. My favorite anecdote on that topic occurred many years ago when I used to go the University of Pittsburgh gym on a regular basis to lift weights. On one occasion Roger Kingdom was there. Kingdom was a two-time Olympic gold medal winner in the 110 meter high hurdles. He was broad-shouldered and ripped looking, but I was stunned to see how little weight he could move doing bench presses on a universal weight machine.

    A lot of the blacks at the NFL Combine each year look like finalists for fit looking body contests, but more than a few aren't as athletic as they look. That visual disconnect is one of the reasons the media has been so successful in propping up the myths and lies surrounding the Caste System.
     
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    Look at the Fury vs Wilder fights. Fury sporting a typical man's physic that does the bare minimum work out. Wilder ripped and shredded. In the boxing ring, Fury made Wilder look like an amateur when he utterly destroyed Wilder in the second fight.
     
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    White people dominate swimming, weight lifting, cycling, high jump, javelin etc. Blacks have one thing (speed events) that they dominate and that suddenly makes them the better athletes? There's overwhelming evidence that white people dominate strength events in the olympics/world games so why isn't it common to hear White people are the strongest but yet you always hear black people are the fastest in mainstream culture?

    With the "race realist" aspect of the alt right. Some try to portray blacks in a positive light so they don't seem embroiled in hatred/supremacy. e.g. Whites have higher IQs but blacks are better at X or white people are more likely to X.

    Jared Taylor used to talk about most serial killers being white but corrected himself after releasing that wasn't necessarily the case after seeing crime data. Most famous serial killers are white because they're more sophisticated and can elude police for longer. While black serial killers are more likely to be caught in a stupid manner losing the public allure that white killers have by outsmarting the police and avoiding capture for decades. In terms of raw data though a black person is far more likely to kill multiple people than a white person.
     
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    Yeah most people think blacks dominate all sports (maybe an exception for swimming and hockey) but its hilariously wrong and people need to be educated about it, Internationally they don't have much other than speed events and have serious competition in boxing they previously utterly dominated (aside from the small weight classes and some exceptions) now that it's internationalized. Trying to portray blacks as superior in some way is almost definitely a defense mechanism not to automatically be dismissed as white supremacists if not borne from conditioning and ignorance alone. The criminality of whites is exaggerated since many stats also include often more crime-prone near easterners, Latinos, some mixed individuals, even Somalians in the white category.
     
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    It's reality that Whites are the best athletes and the smartest, unless you want to get into sub-groups such as Jews and perhaps certain Asian ethnic groups when it comes to potential intelligence (and those who are very intelligent often lack common sense). But by saying that, I'm not trying to be a "White supremacist" at all and never have been. Our White race is in pathetic condition; it only takes a quick trip to the nearest Wal-Mart to verify that. Or, watch how obediently so many Whites are donning masks to "combat" the flu strain going around. All of mankind has been dumbed down and turned into sheeple.
     
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    Not only have races of humanity been dumbed down, but bias against whites is present in all areas of society, such as for example... Jews being admitted to Harvard and other Ivy Leagues at many times the rate relative to performance and asians at 2-3 times the rate relative to performance compared to white gentiles (and asians are still somewhat underrepresented relative to performance!)

    Speaking of intelligence there may be another case of trying to make gentile whites worse at something to not be racist, Richard Lynn's sampling of asians (relies on unrepresentative affluent, highly urbanized samples and sometimes doesn't use the full-scale iq, the cherry-picked samples IQs still being well within the range of similarly urbanized whites, sampling iqs at very young ages; various methods to get his desired outcomes) and Jews is flawed, although Lynn didn't really sample Jews himself, just mostly relied on some terrible studies even though some of the other (more sound) studies he compiled would seem to debunk this notion. Such as the "115 iq" claim which is mythical at best and actually admitted by the author to be unrepresentative, many of the really high numbers are from old, unrepresentative/manipulated samples usually with jewish authors, often handpicking elementary schoolers. Studies purporting uber-iq have failings such as small/poor samples, obvious author bias/agenda, using wordsum as a proxy for iq etc... One of the only nationally representative studies on ashk. IQ, conducted by a jew if I remember correctly, found an average IQ of merely 100.8 split between multiple factors. Many gentile groups still outstrip jews in average earnings despite any nepotism they may benefit from if you don't include bankers. The society elite are of course smart but cohesion, nepotism and importantly the state of the general public; as they always got expelled before, are their greatest assets. But even they sometimes have too much chutzpah and announce their intentions, validating what would otherwise be wacky conspiracy.

    Their end game to destroy the west's integrity wouldn't end well for them either most likely, with Israel greatly dependent on western support and the new occupants seeing them as any other evil whitey... Average asians being smarter or the average bagel-shop owning jew having uber intelligence? Not likely, especially factoring in the last 600 years of innovation, achievement and world conquest/creating places people actually want to live in (to explain these discrepancies with their theory they say whites have a wider standard deviation or are more creative, but I have seen little good proof of this, one of Lynn's "Caucasian" samples for instance included blacks/mestizos), even if asians greatly over-preform in academics relative to iq, 105/6 number or otherwise but research has iq (alone) playing a relatively modest role in the variance of grades due to the obvious unstimulating and tedium-based nature of modern schooling. China/Asia are also documented to be guilty of some PISA manipulation, a test already substantially influenced by non gfactors and therefore not the best indicator of raw intelligence. Our best data on Chinese iq would have it far lower than they claim. Unitarians and Anglicans are small in number and are also documented to be "particularly" intelligent. Whites are incredibly docile and modern society dumbs people down, so I wouldn't be that surprised at some dysgenics going on in the last half century. Sure, you shouldn't campaign on white supremacy as that's not the goal of white advocacy and gets it nowhere but the falsities many pro whites engage in is no way to go and often somewhat defeatist, this jewish uber iq meme is used as justification for jewish power in society (even though even adjusting for that iq they would still be heavily over-represented in many financial/cultural institutions, and would need an impossibly high mean), in the case of asians, it's used to "debunk" the myth that IQ tests are culturally biased and to not be called white supremacists (which like I said it doesn't work). Here are some articles that relevant to my post.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence.html (Uses Lynn's estimates but admits they may be too generous, otherwise dismantles a study claiming the ridiculous estimates we hear)
    https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2019/01/are-east-asians-more-intelligent-than-whites.html
    https://files.catbox.moe/7erfay.pdf
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/
    https://www.unz.com/estriker/jewish-brilliance-synthetic-like-zirconia/
    https://raceandiqmyths.blogspot.com/2016/10/fake-chinese-iq-studies-richard-lynn.html
    https://i.imgur.com/j7kPqRz.jpg (sort of juvenile but pokes holes in the superjew claim and the improbable evolution of Jewish Uber-IQ,)

    These self-deprecating (and readily disprovable) myths are just another form of political correctness and are often associated with the new, social media savvy generation of white activists that take many myths including ones relating to athleticism and all of Lynn's research at face value, some may know it's b_s but still do it out of "necessity", as they needed to move away from "white supremacy" to be more acceptable to the public, Steve Sailer (if he even is a white activist) and Jared Taylor and incredibly are self-deprecating. Rushton also did something similar with blatantly false claims about running in the 1992 Olympics since he knows people won't fact-check.
     
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    It's interesting, as I have met many Jews in my life since I became aware of them, and indeed there is a top stratum of them that have searing intelligence, but there are many who are just "average Joes and Janes" in the U.S. Contrary to stereotypes, many do blue-collar type jobs and are at least semi-assimilated.

    It seems that average Jews are the most brainwashed of all when it comes to knee-jerk opinions and reactions. They get the "religious" indoctrination beginning at a very early age that tells them that threats to their existence are everywhere and they have simply amazing ethnic/racial antennae, even more so than blacks, and the elite among them are beyond compare when it comes to activism and monitoring what's going on in society.

    How can that be combated? Whites are simply not wired to compete in such a competition, which explains the current situation.
     
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    Indeed, average jews likely don't even see themselves as separate from white gentiles, are incredibly brainwashed and repeat leftist platitudes, knowing through personal experience and interaction, but the society jews and less intellectual orthodox jews have strong in-group preference. One of the ways I could see jewish elite parasitism challenged is if some other elite would challenge jews such as maybe WASPs, or jews, once again, really overstep their bounds as they did before and causes whites even in their stupor to freak out, whites need something really severe to retaliate as a group.

    But there is a silver lining, one thing that's true is that white racial awareness is rising, there is markedly more whites advocating for themselves than even 5 years ago which may eventually create a group-feeling for whites should things get worse and whites attacked more, Trump despite any failings was a sign that whites are weary of being lambasted all the time, although a big issue is even many racially aware whites are slow to act/idle.
     
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    Looking lean and performing is a whole different barrel of fish. I know when I got down to 180 pounds and was approaching old time underwear model body fat ratio I was as "weak as a kitten" to quote Gypsy John Fury when he described Fury in the first Wilder fight. I remember the same totals that I could easily lift at 200 to 205 were boulders that I could barely move even though my arms, shoulders, chest and stomach was leaner.

    If you read bodybuilding books or forums looking better is more a myth about athleticism, I remember many boxers talking about this when they had move up in weight as while they looked better at a lower weight class they had nothing in the ring and were violently knocked out or battered around for their fight in the lower weight class.
     
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    Now if blacks were truly superior athletes they would dominate Tennis. Let's put the heavily testosteroned Serena aside. Tennis requires it all, agility and reflexes, quickness, hand-eye coordination, It's truly a combination of all the things that we consider athletic.

    The USTA has been, for years and years, dedicated to diversity. It's right there on their website. Special grants and expenses given to non-whites. On the women's side of things, it has paid some dividends. Where are the great black hopes for the men? It was common a few years ago to hear from pundits that USA tennis was lacking because the best athletes were going into the NBA. Ha.
     
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    Absolutely. Tennis requires the highest level of athleticism as you point out. I would like to add they must have the endurance of long distant runners and soccer players as well. The only area that tennis doesn't require in spades is high end strength although don't underestimate the core strength that is required to succeed.

    The lack of a top tier major winning black male player continues to befuddle and piss off the black supremacist crowd (BCS). I think it bothers big portions of the media as well. In many ways it is the last piece of their puzzle. The BCS wants a dominating black male player so that they can complete their near finished thesis which fully supports the idea that blacks are clearly superior athletes to whites. Their desire is to completely smother white athletes and turn them into second class athletic citizens. They have made a lot of progress in that area over the years sad to say.

    The bottom line to me is that tennis players are among or perhaps are the greatest athletes in the world.
     

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