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Discussion in 'Boxing' started by BoxingSpecialist2, Apr 3, 2013.
Wow this guy must be good. Cloud is a very tough test for a 6th fight.
Wow, super interesting fight on our hands this Saturday! My thoughts on Beterbiev/Cloud;
Artur Beterbiev, 5-0 (5 KO) is taking on recently-former world champion Tavoris Cloud (24-2, 19 KO). It's not very often you see such an inexperienced pro taking on a former world champ in only his 6th pro fight. Cloud last held the IBF 175 lb. title back in 2013, and fought notable HBO-broadcasted fights against Bernard Hopkins, Adonis Stevenson, Gabe Campillo, Yusaf Mack, Glen Johnson, and Clinton Woods, some of the bigger names in the weight class in the last 5 years or so.
So, Cloud's experienced at the professional level, he's been around and then some.
I'm generally not a fan of rushing prospects in pro boxing, because in my opinion it usually doesn't benefit the prospect at all, even if they are accomplished amateurs rushing a prospect in the pro's can sometimes destroy their career. For example, in the thread on Vasyl Lomachenko, I correctly predicted he would lose to Orlando Salido in his first titlefight. Of course in his next fight, only his 3rd pro fight, Vasyl won the title against Gary Russell Jr and now seems set to become a major player in the sport. However, if Vasyl had more developmental fights before his fight with Salido, he no doubt would have won that fight much easier, perhaps even by stoppage. This is why it generally takes 10-20 fights before a boxer is ready to fight for a world title.
In the case of Beterbiev/Cloud, I'll be honest, I've never thought Cloud was any good. He won a title because he was matched easy (typical American route), and the moment he fought quality opponents he lost. Some of Cloud's "wins" were in actuality robberies where he benefitted from home-nation judging. I remember watching Campillo outbox him in almost every round, yet the judges gave Cloud the fight. Cloud's easy to hit, he's not very fast, he's not particularly intelligent or tricky, and he doesn't hit really hard. The only advantage he has over Beterbiev is that he's more experienced at the pro level and arguably has fought better opposition. But when you take into account amateur experience, you could argue that Beterbiev is actually the more experienced of the two, and has fought as good if not better opposition.
Beterbiev seems to hit very, very, very hard and quite frankly Cloud is not very solid defensively. The only unknowns we have about Beterbiev is his chin and stamina. I don't think Cloud will test his chin, but if the fight goes long it may well test Artur's stamina and pacing. It always is risky when a new pro fights an experienced pro, and Beterbiev probably should have went at least 8 rounds once before this fight, but all that being said I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Beterbiev knock Cloud spark out. He hits hard, probably as hard as Stevenson maybe even harder, and Cloud is coming off a TKO loss.
Prediction: Beterbiev knocks Cloud spark out (I will admit there is something of an upset probability if the fight goes late and Beterbiev runs out of gas though).
This is a fight that interests me. B. is a 3-1 favorite over the negro who is ranked #2 amongst light heavyweights in the US. It's in Montreal so I suppose it starts tomorrow evening eastern time, and we've had good streams from up there in the past so hopefully there will be some for this one too.
Beterbiev-Cloud coming up in about 30 minutes, the last undercard fight is on now.
Good quality Russian stream:
Cloud down three times in round one. He had never been knocked down before!
Cloud down and counted out in round 2.
I thought before the fight Beterbiev was going to be in for a long boxing duel -and one that he could have lost. Instead, he didn't look a bit outclassed in only his sixth pro match. Those amateurs champions are sometimes really better than what most think. If he can get the fights to build up his credibility and marketability, this guy is going to go right to the top to fight Kovalev one day.
Beterbiev defeated Kovalev twice in the amateurs.
That being said, Kovalev is a better fighter now than he was back then. I think Kovalev-Beterbiev is a 50-50 match up.
I dont mean to be an arrogant know it all but my prediction that Beterbiev would easily KO Cloud was 100 percent correct.
I dont mean to be rude but the facts are Cloud sucks. Hes been matched very easy and he was given gift decisions thats the only reason he became a champ. Typical Amerikkkan hype job. Had he bee matched properly he would have been a journeyman.
This Russian dude cpmetely KTFOs him.
Russia >>> Usa anyday of the week.
Beterbiev steamrolled this Amerikan loser n hopefully Kovalev does the same VS Hopkins.
As I was totally correct in my prediction that Beterbiev KOs Cloud you can be sure someone like Quillin would be destroyed by GGG.
Thesr American Negro hype jobs suck.
Jesus what an embarrassment to American boxing.
Only a year ago some Amerikan fans were literally mentioning Cloud as a top 15 P4P boxer.
He got absolutely blitzed by a Russian dude with 5 fights.
Russia >>>> USA
These negro Amerikans suck hardcore.
Big day for Russian fighters!
Congrats on calling it. But whats up with handicapping yourself BS2? Be confident and let the chips fall where they fall. LOL
Beterbiev is Chechen so he's not a real Russian like Kovalev but i was happy to see him destroy Cloud.
I always thought Cloud was a very capable fighter. Especially if he ever had a a elite trainer. He never did. That being said, Artur is a fighter to watch. From what I saw,was quickness, balance and power. The boxing world is his if he continues to progress. Kovalev better KO or beat down Bopkins and send this HOF racist into retirement. For the love of God.
Hey Carcharias thanks for posting the fights as always,
Weird that Cloud wilted so quickly. The way he let himself get trapped in the corner, and it didn't seem like he was getting hit all that hard. I've watched a fair amount of boxing in my day, and this just didn't look right. But maybe Beterbiev is that good and Cloud is that bad.
Or maybe Cloud did not want his brains scrambled. He was thinking about his future rather than the here and now like a blacks do.
That was the most impressive display by a larger sized boxer I've seen since the Klitschkos debuted.
Bet. beat Kovalev twice in the amateurs...and Usyk, now fighting as a cruiserweight, beat Bet!
Usyk - oh now I remember, the Ukrainian with the funny hair-do -
Artur Beterbiev 6-0 (KO 6) – clear and present danger for Sergey Kovalev’s light heavyweight dominance
By Ivan Ivanov | Published September 28, 2014 | 16 Comments
Artur Beterbiev, a former amateur standout from Russia who turned pro last year, needed 3 minutes and 38 seconds to stop Tavoris Cloud. He knocked Cloud down three times in round one and there was no 3 KD rule in effect so Cloud made it to the second round when he went down again and did not beat the count.
Being a good technician and vastly experienced as an amateur, Beterbiev surprised the seasoned and proven Cloud by going into exchanges and fighting at close range. He wasn’t worried about trading bombs with Cloud and showed good reflexive defense along with decisive power. Once he had Cloud in trouble and down he did not play it safe and box the rounds away leading on points. Beterbiev chased his opponent until he finished him and wasn’t afraid of taking calculated risks. That is the boxing spirit; I think most of us are sick and tired of extremely prudent safety first technicians who would grab their opponent’s head anytime he gets near them knowing they will win on points as if they have a subscription.
Artur Betrbiev used to be a top amateur and he competed in the upper weight class – heavyweight (91 kg/200lbs) which corresponds to the cruiser weight limit at the pro ranks. He has chosen to campaign at light heavyweight as a pro and this seems to be the proper weight for him. Another reason could be that Oleksander Usyk of the Ukraine, the current Olympic heavyweight champ, also turned pro and fights at cruiser weight. Usyk has defeated Beterbiev twice as an amateur with scores 13:17 and is bigger and taller. Beterbiev may have been forced to compete at heavyweight due the fierce competition within the Russian team. Now at least he gets to choose his own weight class
Artur Betrbiev is the reason Sergey Kovalev moved to the US and became a prize fighter. Kovalev used to be a good amateur himself but not as good as Beterbiev who bumped Sergey out of the Russian national boxing team. Kovalev had to search for another platform to ply his trade and he has done very well already. He must know however that the ultimate test is imminent and I do not have in mind his fight with Bernard Hopkins on November 8 or a possible showdown with Adonis Stevenson who should give him even less trouble than Hopkins. Artur Beterbiev has speed, power and snap along with hardcore boxing habits and uncompromising technique. The promoters, especially on Kovalev’s side, will probably try to postpone the “meteor crash” and Beterbiev will have to earn his shot anyway but the light heavyweight division becomes very interesting.
Read more at http://www.boxing247.com/2014/artur-beterbiev-6-0-ko-6-clear-and-present-danger-for-sergey-kovalevs-light-heavyweight-dominance/#pB1CfqWFsskbGr2g.99
Beterbiev looks really good so far that's for sure but I'm not so certain Kovalev quit the amateurs simply because he lost to Beterbiev. Fighters go pro mostly because they want $$$. Kovalev has the legs and boxing to go with his power, so far I haven't seen that from Beterbiev who may have the same but I just haven't seen it.
I don't believe that part about Kovalev either.
Beterbiev's relentless rapid fire hooks reminded me of the early Wlad.
Usyk, after only 4 fights and 4 KO's, is already ranked #1 Cruiserweight in Ukraine. He fights again this coming weekend.