An observation on black QB’s

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  1. Lance Alworth

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    One thing I have noticed here lately is that it seems that teams that typically start black QB's are in cities that have high black populations (ie Atlanta, Oakland, Tennessee, Washington, Philly, etc..) The question I have however, is that is this by design, or is it simply just a coincidence? I mean, I can't picture a black QB starting in for a team like San Francisco or Green Bay. Am I on to something here, or am I simply thinking too much into it?
     
  2. Matt_Bowen_Fan

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    But Garcia started for the 49ers, and TO said he was gay! It does fit! [​IMG]
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    Jay Fiedler and Sage Rosenfels, the only two Jewish QBs in the league, were both on Miami at one time, which has a large Jewish population. Fiedler ended his career with the Jets.
     
  4. White Shogun

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    Very interesting. Very.

    One of the sports talking heads even said that Atlanta needed another black quarterback because of the city's racial demographics. I'm sure the owners and their bean counters study every single factor involved when it comes to making money, including the race of their stars. Why wouldn't they? Edited by: White Shogun
     
  5. Bart

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    A differing opinion on Rosenfels.


    http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=166


    As we've explored earlier, there definitely are Jewish football players. But there are not that many Jewish quarterbacks.


    Ben Roethlisberger and Rex Grossman, both rumored to be Jewish, turned out not to be, as you can read in their profiles. So we're left with Jay Fiedler, who was so average that we haven't gotten to profiling him yet.


    But wait... What's this? Sage Rosenfels is a Jew? The once unknown third stringer who is currently winning games for Houston! All hail our first Hebrew signal caller!


    We're gonna have to slow down here. For you see, Rosenfels is not really Jewish. His father is. He himself has rejected those roots and is raising his kids Christian.


    Lame. For we were so ready to embrace him. That's not happening now. Get bent, Rosenfels. You want no part of us, and we want no part of you. You weren't even that good in the first place. Just a glorified third stringer.


    At this rate, we'll end up profiling Jay Fiedler sooner rather than later.


    Verdict: Barely a Jew.
     
  6. Don Wassall

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    New York and Boston baseball teams have traditionally gone for moreItalian and Irish players (and coaches) than other teams. The Canadians still employ as many French players as possible. The Washington Capitals had 3 blacks on their team some years back. A white player's ethnic background can be considered, but employing whites for racial reasons to reflect a team's fan base is taboo.
     
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    I didn't know Arthur Fiedler (Jay's distant cousin, I've read) was Jewish, or for that matter of course, Jay. [​IMG]

    John
     
  8. white is right

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    If we take the ethnic pandering to it's next logical level. I nominate Juan Epstein for QB of the Jets. He panders to two large ethnic groups and if he still has his large afro then three groups.... [​IMG]
     
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    Jay Fieldler looks like Adam Sandler in the Water Boy? [​IMG] Edited by: white is right
     
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    Then I demand a bohunk QB for either the Bears or Packers.
     
  12. Riddlewire

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    So what explains Jacksonville's neverending stable of black QBs? They certainly can't claim they're serving a 'mostly black town'.
    Jacksonville, FL:
    Pop. ~800,000 White 62% Black 31% Other 7%
     
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    Last night I observed Kerry Collins coming off the bench and winning the game for the Titans after Vince Young was his usual ineffective self.
     
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    I think we saw Jeff Fischer finally man up last night. I believe he has been force fed Vince Young by the Titans ownership since they drafted him. Last night, according to reports, Young was healthy enough to go back in. But the desire to make the playoffs gave Fischer a backbone and he stuck with Collins as the Titans scored on three straight drives and won the game.

    The NFL had been promoting Young leading up to the game and even the fantasy football websites were saying he should have a good game. During the game they were showing different Titans talking about what a leader Young is. The only problem is that Young stinks. In fact he is getting worse as teams learn more about him. But the announcers(Madden and Michaels) couldn't find the intestinal fortitude to tell the truth. Even when Collins led the team to victory they still couldn't give Collins his due.

    Just once, I would like to be in the booth with those guys and embarass them with a dose of reality.
     
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    I'm not sure about Fisher "manning up"; I've lost just about all respect for him over the past two years. He went from doing what the Bills are doing -- giving a number of white defensive players a chance -- to quickly discarding just about all of them, pandering to Vince Young while treating Billy Volek like dirt, letting Drew Bennett leave, and being quiet as a mouse while Pacman and the boys were regularly arrested. Then there was lazy fat rookieLenDale White spitting on his "teammate" Donnie Nickey during training camp and getting away with it.


    As I posted in the Colts thread, Young looked healthy enough to play, but to me he wasn't showing body language that he wanted to go back in. I think Fisher lucked out more than manned up.
     
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    I think blacks take themselves out of games they're afraid of losing if their is any chance the loss could be pinned on them. It seems to happen fairly often. One good example that comes immediately to mind is Mike Vick. Emmitt Smith did this as well.

    I think Young thought the Titans were going to lose and took himself out of the game so his 'all he does is win games' reputation would be spared. Fairly interesting that the injuries associated with this phenomenon are pulled muscles or other 'soreness' that can't be easily diagnosed or observed.
     
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    You beat me to the punch, Shogun. Both Vick and Young have pulled up lame several times when games are on the line.
     
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    When I watch Young and Tarvaris throw short passes, the thought that keeps popping into my head when I watch their techniqueis, "He looks like a girl when he throws."
     
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    I'm no Fischer fan either but I just get the feeling that he does not have a lot of control in that organization. Some coaches have more input than others. From what I was reading on the Titans website he was basically told in 2005 to tear the team down and rebuild it.

    If i'm wrong and Vince Young told the coaches he couldn't go back in than Young is anything but a leader.
     
  20. Lance Alworth

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    I second that. I believe that Fisher and Norm Chow wanted to draft Matt Leinart but their bonehead GM Floyd Reese wanted Young. Reese has a love affair with black QB's. First McNair and now Young.

    As for the thread topic at hand. The exceptions of this rule would obviously be Minnesota (why that franchise has had so many black QB's, I have no idea) and I guess Jacksonville as well (wasn't sure of the city's racial demographics but I do know that Florida is one of the blackest states in the country)
     
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    If only the Boston Celtics still got players with actual Celtic blood in them...

    I'm pretty sure there is something to this argument, but it still doesn't explain why blacks make up 70-80% of the league, and over 90% of the "skill" or defensive players. They are still 1/7 of the US, and inner city dwellers are probably miniscule in their support of pro football, compared to suburban and rural folks.Edited by: FieldThrower
     
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    Seems to me that the tide of black QBs being drafted high is finally going to go into ebb tide.

    Tom Iron...
     
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    There should only be 3 Blacks drafted to play QB this year (Woodson, Dixon & Josh Johnson out of U of San Diego), but that could change as the draft approaches.
     
  24. Don Wassall

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    Just found these capsule updates on Troy Smith and Jamarcus Russell:
    <STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Troy Smith[/b] (Bal) - He's still very rough around the edges, and his receiving corps isn't stupendous by any means, but Smith currently has the edge over underachiever <STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Kyle Boller [/b]and rookie <STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Joe Flacco[/b] because he's fired plenty of downfield strikes in spring workouts. In addition, he's exhibited poise, confidence, and leadership under center, all traits that new head coach <STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">John Harbaugh[/b] is looking for in his starting gunslinger. On the downside, Flacco has also looked good, so Smith will have to continue to impress if he's to see the field this year.
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    <STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">JaMarcus Russell[/b] (Oak) - He's reportedly has exhibited strong leadership qualities and a good work ethic in learning and mastering the Raider offense this spring. Also, he's been working hard on his accuracy and touch on underneath passes so that he can keep the Raiders in manageable third-down situations in 2008 when nothing's open downfield on first and second down. You do have to watch his weight and conditioning at all times until further notice, but he's had a good off-season, for sure.

    My question is: Can anyone recall a black quarterback who hasn't been touted as having "leadership qualities"? By all media accounts Steve McNair was this country's greatest leader since Stonewall Jackson. Vince Young? Can't hit the side of a barn throwing the ball but won over his teammates with his incredible leadership skills from day one of his rookie training camp. Even as rookies they all seem to have this trait, just as according to the media all black athletes have been magically gifted with great athleticism, loose hips and room brightening smiles.</O:p>Edited by: Don Wassall
     
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    Blacks get the best of both worlds when it comes to scouting them. First they are made out to be superman athletes. They also are said to have great leadership qualities. Whites can have great leadership qualities but are never "natural" athletes. Who are these great field generals? I guess that would mean the all mighty Vick and Daunte Culpepper. LOL
     

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