Am I the only one here who HATES MMA?

Lance Alworth

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Never have been able to get into MMA. Every guy has the same basic look(Shaved head, or crew cut, or at the outside, a mini-mohawk, gym shorts, and knuckle gloves), absolutely no personality, and don't give me any reason to care about why I should watch them beat the piss out of each other. The atheleticism is admirable, yeah, but when I can't tell one guy apart from the next, except maybe on the basis of race, I can't get into watching them fight. it is boring to me. You can think it's great if you want but as for me I just don't like it. They can't market thier guys because anyone of them will lose any night and usually will. I don't watch and couldn't care less. Maybe my animosity towards MMA stems from the fact that I'm an old school wrestling fan, I dont know
 

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I don't like the grappling and the choke holds where they lay on the mat for a while, it's boring.

I hate to say it but Pro-wrestling for all it's phoniness is more entertaining because it has more action.

That's not to say that I don't have a ton of respect for MMa fighters, just that I have not been able to develop an interest in it.
 

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Man, I love it. I think it's produced quite a colorful cast of characters. I would never mistake Tank Abbot for Kimo, or Rampage Jackson for Chuck Lidell. It has everything, strategy/technique, strength, speed, stamina, and courage.

I like boxing, wrestling, kick boxing, but MMA is the best because it comes much closer than the others to being like a real fight. I actually learn a lot from watching the fights.
 
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I am sure you are not the only person who hates MMA. Most people hate MMA. Most people hate ice hockey, but nobody here wants to admit that either.

Going by the reasons you hate it though, it's obvious you've only seen UFC. UFC only accounts for about 40% of the MMA universe. White guys with shaved heads and tattoos are in the minority in this sport. Don't let UFC fool you. They only let you see what they want you to see.
 

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Lance:
Would you be more interested in MMA if the fighters were named "Sting" or "Undertaker," and wore outlandish costumes with painted faces? Don't you guys feel a little weird watching pro-wrestling and rooting for a wrestler when you know they're not fighting for real?

jaxvid:
C'mon, man! You can't say MMA isn't entertaining and you haven't been able to develop an interest in it when you have Rory Singer (of all people) beating up someone in your avatar!
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Don't let UFC fool you. They only let you see what they want you to see.

Talk about conspiracy theories!
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I don't know anyone who 'hates' MMA. They may not be fans or know much about the sport, but I have yet to meet a person who has actually watched MMA and 'hates' it. Well, 'cept for women and fairies who don't like the site of blood.
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White Shogun said:
Would you be more interested in MMA if the fighters were named "Sting" or "Undertaker," and wore outlandish costumes with painted faces? Don't you guys feel a little weird watching pro-wrestling and rooting for a wrestler when you know they're not fighting for real?


I must admit to hating pro-wrasslin. It is just so stupid on so many levels.
 

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nevada said:
White guys with shaved heads and tattoos are in the minority in this sport.

Yeah, it's mostly white guys with shaved heads and no tattoos, like Fedor and Josh Barnett.
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Don't let UFC fool you. They only let you see what they want you to see.

Yeah, they want you to see Anderson Silva, Quinton Jackson, Rashad Evans, and Tito Ortiz!!
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"They can't market their guys because anyone of them will lose any night and usually will. I don't watch and couldn't care less."

-I think that's what makes the sport so exciting. Lots of quality fighters who aren't afraid to fight each other; unlike boxing, where we have 4 champions at every weight division all claiming to be the best.

"Maybe my animosity towards MMA stems from the fact that I'm an old school wrestling fan, I don't know"

-If you like wrestling as a sport and not sport entertainment, watch some of Matt Hughes' fights. The guy is a juggernaut with great take down and body slamming ability.
 

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Shaved heads and tattoo's!?? You mean like Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin, Randy Couture, GSP... I could go on and on. MMA is the closest sport we have to a real fight. You have to train in several different disciplines and come prepared to fight for 3 to 5 rounds.

I would imagine most of your champions have relatively high IQ's compared to black boxer's, black basketball players and black football player's with the exception of possibly the quarterback position.

It may not be your cup of tea but I really enjoy it. I also like boxing since white's have started taking over.
 

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I love MMA, and it's became my favorite sport. I grew up loving/playing hoops and football. Since I've seen the sheer greed of most professional sports and the caste system so prevalent in the "YoBA" and NFL, I've totally stopped following/watching the NBA and not near as avid of an NFL supporter. I won't pay my hard-earned $ for an NFL, NBA or MLB merchandise or ticket anymore (especially with a family to support). However, I still love college football, but MMA is the most bad@$$ sport in the world. I respect the training/preperation/discipline of the MMA fighters. While I don't like all of the rules of MMA (no headbutts, no elbows in Bodog or Pride, etc.), I still will watch as much of it as I can/when I can.

P.S. - I also grew up a hardcore pro "wrasslin" fan, but rarely watch it these days (due to time constraints & a preference for MMA).
 

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i love MMA, but i hate pro wrestling. here, i said it. i also have a strong dislike of baseball!
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I love pro wrestling and MMA. But if I had to make a choice between the two...hands down MMA. Besides if you watch Pro Wrestling long enough, rarely will anything suprise you because you have seen all the storylines done and redone before and it's very predictable. There is very litte predictable in MMA these days with upsets as common as the sun coming up in the morning.
 

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Its kind of weird with me. See, I hate the NBA because I hate the hip-hop/thug attitude that is so commonplace with the product they put out. But MMA has the opposite effect on me. The fighters all look like they came out of some factory made to produce generic white guys with crew cuts and gym shorts. I mean, I'm not knocking it if you like it, but I can't get behind a product where all the fighters look like drunken frat-boys and which from the looks of it, thats who they're trying to market their product to

As for pro-wrestling. I agree that the modern day sh*t sucks. I'm all about the old-school. I mainly watch old tapes of WCCW with the Von Erichs, and like 1986-87 era WWF. The stuff of today can't compare with wrestling of yesteryear
 

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Boxing has always been my favorite sport. I love its lore and tradition and history, something that MMA lacks, because it hasn't been around that long.

It took me a while to warm up to MMA, but I am now a fan. You could argue that it is a tougher sport than boxing. The action is more compressed. Also, in boxing if you get knocked down, you get a time-out. In MMA, you get pounced on and further pummelled or put in some sort of submission hold. That's a big difference.

The balance between the stand-up, or striking, and the ground game creates a lot of suspense. A fighter who neglects one or the other eventually will pay.

Just the other night I watched a guy land about ten clean shots on his opponant as the opponant tried to take him down, and it looked like a mismatch. But the guy getting beat up finally managed to get it to the ground, and it was over within a minute on submission. Total turnaround, and good drama, which is what sports is about.

I don't see what's not to like about it.

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Lance Alworth said:
The fighters all look like they came out of some factory made to produce generic white guys with crew cuts and gym shorts.

Again, that's because all you've seen is UFC. That only covers about 40% of what happens in the sport. As the PRIDE invasion continues there will be less and less white guys.

Other than UFC being a sport and not a show like WWE, there's almost no difference. You only see what the promoter wants you to see. They cover 0% of what happens outside the league. Coke doesn't talk about Pepsi. Microsoft doesn't talk about Apple. Porsche doesn't talk about Ferrari.

"Generic white guys with crew cuts and gym shorts" are in the minority in this sport.
 

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I've never really seen to much PRIDE. The only thing I know about it is that it's inside a ring rather than a steel cage. Its just that the vibe I get from it is that it is trying too hard to portray itself as this badass sport that only red-blooded REAL men can enjoy. I am a big hockey fan and one of the things I like about the NHL's athletes is that I can relate to them. They seem like regular guys that look like me. Sidney Crosby seems like a guy I could hang out with and play video games with. That is why I identify with the Sidney Crosby's and Alexander Ovechkins of the world before I would the generic Randy Coutures and Chuck Lidells
 

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I think a guy could hang out with some MMA dudes, have a beer, play some pool. Just don't piss 'em off, and maybe let them win.
 

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nevada,
I don't see how you can scoff at the arguments posted in this forum about the UFC bringing in Hispanic and 'urban' (black) fighters and in the same breath aver that the UFC only lets you 'see' what they want you to see. How can the UFC sign all these non-white fighters from Pride and at the same time be showing us only white fighters with shaved heads and gym shorts (wtf else you gonna fight in anyway? Spandex tights? Capes and masks?)

Which is it? Is the UFC bringing in non-white Pride fighters or are they deliberately marketing only white guys with shaved heads and goatees (which is an exaggeration of the worst order but anyway...) You can't have it both ways.

Are you going to try to say that the UFC is unable to stop the takeover of Pride fighters because it's inevitable? (How'd that work out for Cro Cop, by the way? And Heath Herring?) Are you making the argument that they are so powerful at marketing that they favor white-trash rednecks, but can't prevent a takeover of MMA by ex-Pride fighters? (Have you seen Brandon Vera lately?)

The UFC does indeed have a very powerful marketing machine. The problem is they aren't marketing to white trailer trash rednecks, they're recruiting viewers from the Hispanic and 'urban' markets, which ipso facto means more Latino and black fighters. Duh.

Like all other sports, they probably figure they already have white fans dialed in anyway, regardless of who they put in the cage.
 
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White Shogun said:
Like all other sports, they probably figure they already have white fans dialed in anyway, regardless of who they put in the cage.

Sounds most like the NBA - and how are they doing with viewers lately?

I wonder if they will come up with crazy excuses for the losses of blacks in MMA like they do in other sports. That ought to be entertaining.
 

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I think a guy could hang out with some MMA dudes, have a beer, play some pool. Just don't piss 'em off, and maybe let them win.

But thats just it, I don't go to bars, I don't drink and I don't play pool, therefore they don't appeal to me. I'm more into going to metal shows, playing ice hockey, watching cartoons and playing video games
 

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White Shogun said:
. How can the UFC sign all these non-white fighters from Pride and at the same time be showing us only white fighters with shaved heads and gym shorts (wtf else you gonna fight in anyway? Spandex tights? Capes and masks?)

This is what MMA fighters should wear. I would probably watch it then

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Lance Alworth said:
Never have been able to get into MMA. Every guy has the same basic look(Shaved head, or crew cut, or at the outside, a mini-mohawk, gym shorts, and knuckle gloves), absolutely no personality, and don't give me any reason to care about why I should watch them beat the piss out of each other. The atheleticism is admirable, yeah, but when I can't tell one guy apart from the next, except maybe on the basis of race, I can't get into watching them fight. it is boring to me. You can think it's great if you want but as for me I just don't like it. They can't market thier guys because anyone of them will lose any night and usually will. I don't watch and couldn't care less. Maybe my animosity towards MMA stems from the fact that I'm an old school wrestling fan, I dont know
I hate the fact that MMA has become too weight classy and you know what the guys are going to do. I loved the early fights when giant killers like Gracie and Ruas out thought and fought way larger men. But if they didn't change the rules Gracie vs Taktarov would have been the death of MMA.
 

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Lance Alworth said:
That is why I identify with the Sidney Crosby's and Alexander Ovechkins of the world before I would the generic Randy Coutures and Chuck Lidells

But Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell are totally different people. So they're not "generic."
 

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How can you say Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell are generic? Are they generic because they're white?

Randy Couture is in his 40's. He routinely beats men larger than he is, has held titles in two different weight classes, is in phenomenal shape and is a very classy individual. What is so generic about that?

How many guys do you know that have mohawks and tattoos on the side of their head and throw surfer signs? Chuck is a party animal, as has been noted on this side. He is like the opposite of Randy Couture. He is a knockout artist. There is nothing generic about Liddell, either.

And who the hell is Sidney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin?
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Lance Alworth said:
White Shogun said:
. How can the UFC sign all these non-white fighters from Pride and at the same time be showing us only white fighters with shaved heads and gym shorts (wtf else you gonna fight in anyway? Spandex tights? Capes and masks?)

This is what MMA fighters should wear. I would probably watch it then

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I never thought we would complain about "too many white guys with crew cuts."
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But that picture reminded me of a Charlie Daniels song.
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I'll bold type the line that those boys in the make up made me think of. If some of you fellas from the North have never heard this song you owe it to yourself to listen to it one day. It's funny.


From Uneasy Rider:


I was takin a trip out to L.A.
Toolin along in my cheverolet
Tokin on a number and diggin on the radio

Just as I crossed the Mississippi line
I heard that highway start to whine
And I knew that left rear tire was about to blow

Well the spare was flat and I got uptight
Cause there wasn't a filling station in sight
So I just limped on down the shoulder on the rim

I went as far as I could and when I stopped the car
It was right in front of this little bar
Kind of a red-neck lookin joint called the Dew Drop Inn

I stuffed my hair up under my hat
And told the bartender that I had a flat
And ywould he be kind enough to give me change for a one

There was one thing I was sure proud to see
There wasn't a soul in the place except for him and me
He just looked disgusted and pointed toward the telephone

I called up the station down the road a ways
He said he wasn't very busy today
And he could have somone out there in just about 10 minutes or so

He said," Now, you just stay right where yer at!"
And I didn't bother to tell the darn fool
That I sure as hell didn't have anyplace else to go

I just ordered up a beer and sat down at the bar
When some guy walked in and said, "Who owns this car
With the peace sign, the mag wheels and the four on the floor?"

He looked at me and I damn near died
And I decided that I'd just wait outside
So I laid a dollar on the bar and headed for the door

Just when I thought I'd get outta there with my skin
These 5 big dudes come strollin in
With one old drunk chick and some fella with green teeth

I was almost to the door when the biggest one
Said, "You tip your hat to this lady, son!"
And when I did, all that hair fell out from underneath

Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight
In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night
Especially when there was three of them and only one of me

They all started laughin and I felt kinda sick
And I knew I better think of something pretty quick
So I just reached out and kicked old green teeth right in the knee

Now he let out a yell that'd curl yer hair
But before he could move I grabbed me a chair
And said "Now watch him Folks cause he's a thoroughly dangerous man!"

"You may not know it but this man is a spy.
He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"

He was still bent over holdin on to his knee
But everybody else was looking and listening to me
And I laid it on thicker and heavier as I went

I said, "Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars.
And he voted for George McGovern for President."

"Well, he's a friend of them long haired, hippy-type, pinko f*gs! I betchya he's even got a commie flag tacked up on the wall inside of his garage."

"He's a snake in the grass, I tell ya guys.
He may look dumb but that's just a disguise,
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage"

They all started lookin real suspicious at him
And he jumped up and said "Now just wait a minute Jim!
You know he's lying I been living here all of my life!"

"I'm a faithful follower of Brother John Birch
And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church.
And I aint even got a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!"

Then he started saying somethin bout the way I was dressed
But I didn't wait around to hear the rest
I was too busy moving and hoping I didn't run outta luck

When I hit the ground I was making tracks
And they were just taking my car down off the jacks
So I threw the man a twenty and jumped in and fired that mother up

Mario Andretti wouldda sure been proud
Of the way I was movin when I passed that crowd
Coming out the door and headed toward me at a trot

And I guess I should of gone ahead and run
But somehow I just couldn't resist the fun
Of chasing them all just once around the parking lot

Well they headed for their car, but i hit the gas
And spun around and headed them off at the pass
I was slinging gravel and putting a ton of dust in the air

I had them all out there steppin and fetchin
Like their heads was on fire and their asses was catchin
then I figgered I had better go ahead and split before the cops got there

When I hit the road I was really wheelin
Had gravel flyin and rubber squeelin
And I didn't slow down till I was almost to Arkansas

I think I'm gonna reroute my trip
I wonder if anybody'd think I'd flipped
If I went to L.A., via Omaha
~Uneasy Rider, Charlie Daniels Band~






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