2021 NFL Draft

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  1. Leonardfan

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    I've taken a look at three different mocks so far. Right now this is projected to be the worst draft of all time. Out of the three drafts or player rankings I have checked the most I have seen are 43 white players. Below is CBS Sports 400 player rankings for the draft. If it's any indication then yes it will be a very bad draft. There are 73 white players out of the CBS 400 rankings. If you add the 12 missing players that I put at the bottom - that is 85 out of 412 prospects. I believe there were 4 or 5 specialists that I do not count so if we subtract 5 from 412 we get 407. 85 players out of 412 total prospects = 20.8% - that magical number once again. Even worse is the 35 projected white players out of 259 = 13.5%

    Even the best case scenario where all 85 of these players were to get drafted it's still only 32% of the total.

    Not saying that we should take the CBS rankings as gospel. Players they have listed below the draft line I have seen projected as mid rounders. Obviously they stick to the caste system. The lack of white defensive players just goes to show players like the Watt brothers, Keuchly, Weddle, Harrison Smith have had not caused any sort of trickle down effect.

    1 Trevor Lawrence Clemson Jr QB 1 6-6 220
    2 Zach Wilson BYU Jr QB 2 6-3 210
    22 Mac Jones Alabama Jr QB 5 6-3 214
    52 Creed Humphrey Oklahoma Jr OL 9 6-5 320
    62 Davis Mills Stanford Sr QB 6 6-4 212
    66 Dillon Radunz N. Dakota St. Sr OL 11 6-6 299
    69 Landon Dickerson Alabama Sr OL 12 6-6 325
    70 Samuel Cosmi Texas Jr OL 13 6-7 309
    71 Pat Freiermuth Penn St. Jr TE 2 6-5 260
    79 Kyle Trask Florida Sr QB 7 6-5 240
    83 Walker Little Stanford Sr OL 16 6-7 320
    89 Brenden Jaimes Nebraska Sr OL 17 6-6 300
    93 Quinn Meinerz UW-Whitewater Jr OG 1 6-3 320
    97 Hunter Long Boston College Jr TE 4 6-5 253
    99 Josh Myers Ohio St. Jr OL 19 6-5 312
    111 Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame Sr OL 21 6-6 302
    124 Brady Christensen BYU Jr OL 23 6-6 300
    135 Spencer Brown Northern Iowa Sr OL 24 6-9 321
    164 Drew Dalman Stanford Sr C 1 6-3 286
    169 Drake Jackson Kentucky Sr OL 30 6-2 292
    172 Pete Werner Ohio St. Sr LB 11 6-3 242
    188 Ben Cleveland Georgia Sr OL 33 6-6 335
    192 Brett Heggie Florida Sr OL 34 6-5 321
    195 Wyatt Hubert Kansas St. Jr EDGE 24 6-3 270
    196 Garret Wallow TCU Sr LB 14 6-2 230
    198 Royce Newman Ole Miss Sr OL 35 6-6 310
    200 Brady Breeze Oregon Sr S 14 6-0 200
    208 Dax Milne BYU Jr WR 32 6-1 190
    211 Harry Crider Indiana Sr OL 36 6-4 311
    231 Matt Bushman BYU Sr TE 10 6-5 240
    243 Josh Ball Marshall Sr OL 39 6-8 309
    250 Landon Young Kentucky Sr T 1 6-7 321
    254 Tommy Kraemer Notre Dame Sr OL 41 6-5 317
    257 Michal Menet Penn St. Sr OL 42 6-4 305
    258 Ben Skowronek Notre Dame Sr WR 40 6-3 224
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    260 Shane Buechele SMU Sr QB 11 6-1 207
    266 Robert Hainsey Notre Dame Sr OL 44 6-4 290
    276 Noah Gray Duke Sr TE 12 6-4 240
    279 Miller Forristall Alabama Sr TE 13 6-5 244
    282 Ben Mason Michigan Sr RB 23 6-3 254
    284 Tony Poljan Virginia Sr TE 14 6-7 265
    285 Carson Green Texas A&M Sr OL 47 6-6 320
    287 Tristen Hoge BYU Sr OL 48 6-5 310
    289 Cole Van Lanen Wisconsin Sr OL 49 6-5 312
    290 Paddy Fisher Northwestern Sr LB 21 6-4 240
    298 Dillon Stoner Okla. St. Sr WR 44 6-0 200
    301 Tuf Borland Ohio St. Sr LB 22 6-1 234
    302 Sam Ehlinger Texas Sr QB 12 6-3 225
    305 Tommy Doyle Miami (Ohio) Sr OL 52 6-8 326
    314 Jimmy Morrissey Pittsburgh Sr OL 54 6-3 305
    318 K.J. Costello Miss. State Sr QB 13 6-5 225
    321 Zach Davidson Cent Missouri Sr TE 6-7 245
    322 Ian Book Notre Dame Sr QB 14 6-0 206
    323 Shaun Beyer Iowa Sr TE 16 6-5 248
    329 Jake Curhan California Sr OL 55 6-6 335
    331 Blake Proehl East Carolina Jr WR 47 6-1 186
    337 Luke Farrell Ohio St. Sr TE 17 6-6 258
    338 Forrest Merrill Arkansas St. Sr DL 19 6-1 338
    340 Cary Angeline NC State Sr TE 18 6-7 250
    341 Dylan Soehner Iowa St. Sr TE 19 6-7 272
    342 Mason Stokke Wisconsin Sr FB 1 6-2 239
    345 Riley Cole South Alabama Sr LB 26 6-3 225
    348 Nick Niemann Iowa Sr LB 28 6-4 233
    349 John Bates Boise St. Sr TE 20 6-6 256
    354 Brady White Memphis Sr QB 15 6-3 210
    364 Jack Anderson Texas Tech Jr OL 58 6-5 315
    370 Jake Funk Maryland Sr RB 31 5-10 203
    376 Ryan McCollum Texas A&M Sr OL 59 6-5 300
    382 Coy Cronk Iowa Sr OL 60 6-5 305
    384 Grant Hermanns Purdue Sr OL 61 6-7 305
    387 Drew Himmelman Illinois St. Sr OL 62 6-10 315
    390 Will Fries Penn St. Sr OL 63 6-6 307
    397 Justin Growel Lake Erie Sr EDGE 36 6-4 260




    Missing players from my personal rankings:
    BYU DB Zayne Anderson
    SJSU WR Bailey Gaither
    Rice WR Austin Trammell
    Wisconsin RB Garrett Groshek
    Northwestern WR Riley Lees
    LSU FB Tory Carter
    Ga Tech LB David Curry
    Lindenwood LB Drew Seers
    Charlotte DB Ben DeLuca
    Iowa DT Jack Hefln
    Va Tech DT Jarrod Hewitt
    Northwestern QB Peyton Ramsey
     
  2. Aus2G

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    One of the most glaring examples of the caste system I predict in this draft involves SJSU receivers Bailey Gaither and Tre Walker. They had arguably a similar career with Gaither having a much better average.
    At the pro day, Gaither outperformed Walker considerably but I have seen Walker mock drafted a few times over Gaither... will be one to keep an eye on!
     
  3. Leonardfan

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    I agree. Gaither has been widely ignored and I have yet to come across any sort of “buzz” on him. He was better than his teammate Walker. Great apples to apples comparison when it comes to the caste system.
     
  4. The Hock

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    Well I bought my two draft magazines. Can't find one which is just as well. It just really sucks.

    One did have Dillon Stoner as the 35 ranked WR. He has good numbers. Decent 40, 37 vertical and broke 10 ft. in the broad jump. The mag says he has "enough athleticism" to play in the NFL.

    Ya think?
     
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    Thanks for sharing. I agree, this OL class has potential to be special. I can see Brady Christensen going by RD3 as well, moves great.
     
  7. Leonardfan

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    Thanks for that interesting read and perspective on the o-line class.

    I did find this blurb pretty funny since the Seahawks o-line has been a weak point for the past 4-5 years. Even when it's proven that overly long arms are not a factor in quality o-line play the Seahawks still decide that it's a requirement. The arm length argument is really something I vehemently disagree with because it really is only used to discount/degrade white OL :

    The Seahawks seemingly place a lot of value in arm length. It appears that the only offensive lineman they’ve drafted in the Carroll/Schneider era with sub-33 inch arms is Joey Hunt — taken in the sixth round in 2016.
     
  8. Bucky

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    Seahawks put a premium on Long armed OL which results in a sumo dominated Line. Which then leads to Russell Wilson running for his life. Seems like a pretty easy problem to fix, if they actually could connect the dots LOL
     
  9. Leonardfan

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    The definition of insanity - do the same thing and expect different results. At least we are self-aware of the caste system and are not surprised when things like this occur.
     
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    Have you ever seen so much being made out of nothing because Trevor Lawerence said he didn't have a chip on his shoulder? The talking heads are suddenly concern about his competitive nature and will it affect his draft status on draft night. What a sneaky way of trying to get a qutoback the number one pick.
     
  11. Bucky

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    Yup smear campaign, just like they're doing on Mac Jones. He dressed up as Obama for Halloween once, the horror!

    DraftDiamonds retired scout Daniel Kuck Kelly has been stirring the pot quite a bit on Lawrence. Declaring he's got a 90 percent BUST rate.

    https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/04/trevor-lawrence-9/
     
  12. Extra Point

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    I read Kelly's article. File it under D for dumb. He actually said he'd take Trevor Lawrence off his board. In other words he wouldn't even take him in the 7th round. That's laughable.

    I remember reading an interview with Hall of Fame running back Curtis Martin. Martin said he wasn't even a football fan. He said it was just a job. Yet he played well.

    Some of these writers come up with the stupidest things in order to bash white players.
     
  13. Leonardfan

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    Kelly is a nobody trying to grab attention. He writes for an obscure site and is trying to get traffic to it. His twitter page is pretty pathetic - no one comments or likes his comments. Just another self anointed "expert".
     
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    This article is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read. It says he did it against inferior competition in one part. What a joke! Complete lies.

    Here is the acutal quote.

    "I think the real answer is he is just a guy who has skated by on raw ability who has taken advantage of lesser levels of competition".
     
  15. Leonardfan

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    That last line tells you all you need to know - "lesser levels of competition". What's Trey Lance's excuse? Lawrence played against the top teams in the country as outlined by the College Football Playoff committee.

    I have to say I like Lawrence more after reading the article - seems to have the right mindset to take the assault that will occur as the media continues there unabated attacks on young white QBs.
     
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    Given that the 49ers were willing to take Nick Bosa at #2 despite his own controversial comments about race relations, I doubt they would pass up on Mac Jones for that reason alone, if he was their guy.
     
  17. Extra Point

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    It's possible White men could go 1,2,3 in the draft. 1. Trevor Lawrence 2. Zach Wilson 3. Mac Jones.

    I've read that there are rumors that the 49ers want Jones.
     
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    All 3 are highly worthy of being drafted in that order! They are all very talented quarterbacks that can help any team get to that next level.

    Would love to see it happen as the leftists will lose their fricking minds! Lol. :)
     
  19. Don Wassall

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    Not when the next 50 picks are Black.

    It's hard for me to stomach the pre-draft hype this year what with no Combine and almost no White prospects outside of QB according to the usual follow-the-script "experts," but I've noticed two things. One is that Kyle Pitts is being built up as the greatest tight end prospect of all time, who will instantly become one of the best in the league even as a rookie. We've heard this record before with so many Black prospects at every position, many of whom turn out not to match the hype to put it nicely. The other is that there's only three running backs who project to be three-down backs in the NFL -- Harris, Etienne and Williams. If that's the case, gee, why not let some others try and develop at the position, you know, like some of those White kids who lead roughly half the states in rushing yardage in high school each year.
     
  20. Bucky

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    Yeah looking like we'll dip under the 20% quota mark this season.
     
  21. Leonardfan

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    Look only back to the 2017 draft - OJ Howard, Engram and Njoku were all hyped up as the new breed of TEs - Pitts is right up there with them. They can all run fast 40 times but they are ineffective blockers - you are just going to be drafting an oversized slot WR to create mismatches (how many slot WRs are picked in the 1st round?). Black TEs are woefully overhyped - going back to my first year really following the draft I remember the hype around the since convicted rapist Kellen Winslow II being the future of the position. How did that pan out? Hunter Long and Freiermuth out of PSU are much better all around TEs and will be value picks in the 2nd/3rd round this year.
     
  22. Leonardfan

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    Yea it's all over the place right now - OL feels like strong spot for sure but that is really it. I can make a case for every player I have listed in this year's draft prospect to be worthy of a draft pick and roster spot on a team. In all my years following the draft it will never cease to amaze me how far down the caste rabbit hole teams go in drafting no name black players over established, superb white athletes. It will be no different this year. Best we can do is hope for some surprises.
     
  23. Don Wassall

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    Just about all the highly drafted Black TEs over the past decade-plus haven't met the expectations for them, while White TEs usually exceed the limitations the hive mind "experts" predict for them. I always enjoy when a team takes two tight ends, one Black and one White, in consecutive rounds or close to that, and as always the Black guy is "more athletic," has a "higher ceiling," etc., etc., while the "athletically limited" White guy almost always turns out to be better. A good current example is the Rams, where Gerald Everett moved on to Seattle after being mediocre for four seasons (never exceeding 417 yards), while Tyler Higbee is still there. I'm expecting big things from Higbee this season now that Everett is finally gone, perhaps close to how dominant he was down the stretch in '19 -- as long as it doesn't come at the expense of Cooper Kupp.

    Tight end has become a lot like quarterback -- the black ones are always hyped but good old overachieving Whitey keeps coming through in most cases.
     
  24. Bucky

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    Dennis Pitta/Ed Dickson is another good example at TE.

    @Leonardfan ya OL is very strong. Initially was pumped for LB Class as well. But some of that has faded now. Still better off on Defense than the Dreadful 90s.
     
  25. Bucky

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    Top 2 Corners are Jacee Horn (Father Joe Horn) and Patrick Surtain JR. Both the sons of NFL Players. It will be very interesting to see how their season's play out next year and beyond. Being talked about like they are locks to be productive right away, IDK about that.
     

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