LabMan
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A White ray of sunshine for the Pittsburgh Pirates is 1st baseman/outfielder Brad Eldred.6ft.5 and 245! A right handed Travis Hafner.See him at www.pirates.com.
Decline of the U.S. in Sports
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jaxvid said:
I've decided to try fantasy baseball this year for the first time. Figure it'll be a good way to motivate me to stay on top of all the players, something I haven't done in recent years.
I was surprised to see just how non-white dominated the top tier of fantasy players is. Though it's not a complete "white-out" like Yahoo has. Chase Utley, Joe Mauer, David Wright, Travis Hafner, Matt Holliday and Lance Berkman are usually in the top 20 player lists I've checked. The racial bias is also there of course, for example the drooling over Johan Santana and the way non-white rookies and prospects are predicted to do better than white ones, but overall it's pretty thin gruel. Given that the minors are majority hispanic, and with the number of Asians being signed growing every year, the future looks increasinglydark for Major League Baseball.
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For those interested about Jordan's time with the Barons, they might like to check out Jim Patton's book, Rookie: When Michael Jordan Came to the Minor Leagues. He's a friend of mine, and it chronicles Jordan's retirement to his rejoining the Bulls.
He's on the other side, asa far as race and sports go, but he illuminates Jordan's flaws pretty well.
He's on the other side, asa far as race and sports go, but he illuminates Jordan's flaws pretty well.
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Don Wassall
Whites are not supposed to be great anymore ina society in which they are not even assumed to be good people, with a unitary, Cultural Marxist system in charge that demonizes and treats whitesas the "cancer of history," as Jewish feminist Susan Sonntag once infamously described whites. White American males are beaten down from the moment they draw their first breath. We are today's Indians, tomorrow's dispersed and ruined remnant. It's hardly a suprise that between the overall agenda ofthe ruling forces, along with its Caste System that trains whites to think they are inferior physically, that the white athlete is in decline. It's another ominous sign that America is being engineered by those in charge to be a predominantly non-white country in what in historical terms is but a blink of an eye in time.
That just about sums it up Don. Agree with you100%. Wonderfully articulate, and dreadfully accurate.
Whites are not supposed to be great anymore ina society in which they are not even assumed to be good people, with a unitary, Cultural Marxist system in charge that demonizes and treats whitesas the "cancer of history," as Jewish feminist Susan Sonntag once infamously described whites. White American males are beaten down from the moment they draw their first breath. We are today's Indians, tomorrow's dispersed and ruined remnant. It's hardly a suprise that between the overall agenda ofthe ruling forces, along with its Caste System that trains whites to think they are inferior physically, that the white athlete is in decline. It's another ominous sign that America is being engineered by those in charge to be a predominantly non-white country in what in historical terms is but a blink of an eye in time.
That just about sums it up Don. Agree with you100%. Wonderfully articulate, and dreadfully accurate.
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Don't be fooled by the high ranking of black and Hispanic players in FB. One good year and everyone assumes they will do it every year. Jose Reyes and Ryan Howard are being showcased as top 5 picks, but the smart picks will be the consistant, year-to-year players.
Also, some of these guys will kill you in the errors category. That is one category that Hispanics own.
Stolen bases is another category that can be deceiving. You only get credit for net steals. Some guys get caught stealing too much to be very valuable in that category.
I also have to disagree with the idea that whites don't have self confidence in baseball. I can't speak for other sports but the young white men that I have seen this past summer and fall have tons of confidence. I have seen the top 1000 ballplayers in the country at multiple tournaments and the white kids are studs.
The few blacks that are able to compete are good but not standouts. The difference in talent is minimal among most of the top players. Of course, any black that shows any sign of talent is given every opportunity to succeed. Colleges fawn over them like they were made of gold. Here in N.J., Rutgers sucked up almost every home grown minority player this year. They even took a couple that will be no more than bench warmers.
What will happen is that all these talented kids will play in college or the Minor Leagues and the successful ones will move on. Most won't but the bottom line is that white kids come to play and don't fear anyone.
Also, some of these guys will kill you in the errors category. That is one category that Hispanics own.
Stolen bases is another category that can be deceiving. You only get credit for net steals. Some guys get caught stealing too much to be very valuable in that category.
I also have to disagree with the idea that whites don't have self confidence in baseball. I can't speak for other sports but the young white men that I have seen this past summer and fall have tons of confidence. I have seen the top 1000 ballplayers in the country at multiple tournaments and the white kids are studs.
The few blacks that are able to compete are good but not standouts. The difference in talent is minimal among most of the top players. Of course, any black that shows any sign of talent is given every opportunity to succeed. Colleges fawn over them like they were made of gold. Here in N.J., Rutgers sucked up almost every home grown minority player this year. They even took a couple that will be no more than bench warmers.
What will happen is that all these talented kids will play in college or the Minor Leagues and the successful ones will move on. Most won't but the bottom line is that white kids come to play and don't fear anyone.
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The US had a short term bubble where they had maybe the best young talent in Modano and Roenick, coupled with Richter between the pipes. But historically what has the US produced at the NHL level. I remember when the best US player was a journeyman goon who was a questionable NHLer at best. Even Mullen learned the game late and was a roller hockey player before he played the real game.Don Wassall said:
I just saw an article today on yahoo about the Russians and Chinese dominating the swimming and diving championships in Australia today.
I've been overseas for months and let me say that other countries have a much more focused mentality that only some in the US have. In Tokyo, everyone is so focused, but friendly and everyone concentrates on their work. That is why we're getting killed in sports.
I've been overseas for months and let me say that other countries have a much more focused mentality that only some in the US have. In Tokyo, everyone is so focused, but friendly and everyone concentrates on their work. That is why we're getting killed in sports.
Even though they're white it still makes me sad in some ways to see the NHL taken over by players from Scandinavia and the former Soviet Republics. You see fewer and fewer American and even Canadian born players. I know hockey has been a huge youth participation sport for many years on Long Island and North Jersey. In recent years it is also gaining popularity in Westchester County/Hudson Valley area and the white neighborhoods in the outer boros of NYC. I dont know about the rest of the country but in a sane world these should be the glory days of US hockey. Does anyone think that the same caste system forces may be at work in the NHL? In the absence of "qualified" blacks and latinos, they seem to be replacing "evil" blue collar English speaking white Americans and Candians with friendly social democrat Swedes and polished Russians.white is right said:
remark22
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I have a different approach as to the decline in American sports as of late. Yes, I agree that American athletes are more self centered, too concerned with their own play instead of the team as a whole. (Basketball for example)
However, there are some advantages that America has enjoyed over the past 75 years or so, mainly a population not decimated by the World Wars. Yes, America participated and helped win the wars, but the populations of the European countries fighting on these fronts were decimated. A lot of good breeding stock were lost on the front lines. It takes awhile to recover from losing all of those good men. While America did lose many a man, there losses were not as severe as others.
America, with none of the fighting taken place on its own land (aside from Pearl Harbor) emerged from WWII as a powerhouse. Training and nutrition were steady and available. What I feel is that now these other countries have had time to repopulate and regrow. I'm currently working in China, and you can see some of the freakishly tall people they are growing here. Aside from Yao Ming, they also have the worlds tallest living man. The Cultural Revolution and other famines (lack of nutrition) totally destroyed a generation or two. Now they are starting to rebuild. They have the reigning hurdler champion, which is traditionally not an event dominated by the Chinese.
I think as quality of life in other countries improves, we will be seeing a lot changes in the world of sports.
But hey, thats just my opinion, what do you all think?
However, there are some advantages that America has enjoyed over the past 75 years or so, mainly a population not decimated by the World Wars. Yes, America participated and helped win the wars, but the populations of the European countries fighting on these fronts were decimated. A lot of good breeding stock were lost on the front lines. It takes awhile to recover from losing all of those good men. While America did lose many a man, there losses were not as severe as others.
America, with none of the fighting taken place on its own land (aside from Pearl Harbor) emerged from WWII as a powerhouse. Training and nutrition were steady and available. What I feel is that now these other countries have had time to repopulate and regrow. I'm currently working in China, and you can see some of the freakishly tall people they are growing here. Aside from Yao Ming, they also have the worlds tallest living man. The Cultural Revolution and other famines (lack of nutrition) totally destroyed a generation or two. Now they are starting to rebuild. They have the reigning hurdler champion, which is traditionally not an event dominated by the Chinese.
I think as quality of life in other countries improves, we will be seeing a lot changes in the world of sports.
But hey, thats just my opinion, what do you all think?
Colonel_Reb
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Good point remark22. I see a lot of changes underway too. As globalization and development efforts affect increasing numbers of people around the world, we will see some changes in participation in certain sports. The thing I can't get over is how alike people around the world are becoming because of the spread of technology and development. I noticed huge changes in Southeast Asia last year, even among people who lived just30 KM from each other. More processed and genetically modified foods are making people grow taller and bigger. It will be something to see exactly what kinds of changes these developments will make in sports.