Christophe Lemaitre "White Lightning" 9.92 and 19.80!

ZELLGADISS said:

the argie are you discomfort by third place????umm looking that first place was 9.78 and second place 9,88 was almost impossible que Lemaitre get better place in this moment.

Of course we can talk about his very bad first 30m, but although Lemaitre run good these meters he would done about 9.90-9.92, third place yet but very near second place of course.

Lemaitre is not really much better that last year, he improved his reaction time in 0.03-0.05 so he get records the last weeks, but he is not running faster in reality.

But i must that in Daegu he improve a few it, and we can see a solid 9.90

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I do not know exactly how to say it in English. It is somewhat difficult to define. On one hand I am saddened but not exactly for the third place but because he made ​​certain errors, especially at the start but otherwise I'm glad there are still many things to improve and that he has not yet reachedhis peak form.

And I still believe he goes run under 9.85.

yes argie i understand that you want tell, of course we are hoping that Lemaitre get every time more and more hehe and yesterday he had several important errors in his first aceleration and his first steps.
9.85 i see it very very hard, only with 2.0 wind and perfect race, is not totally impossible but he needs perfect conditions weather, wind and that he run very good, so i must in 9.90 that is great time too hehe

Regards

I find it strange Powell and Gay can run these times as where only super juicer Ben Johnson could get under 9.8 20 years ago. If I was a gambler and there was a casino game called juicing or non juicing you can bet my money would be on juicing everytime. Basically what we should expect 20 years from now is sprinters running 9.4 all the time. Something is fishy here.

Not just Ben, Mo Greene, Tiny Tim, Justin Gatlin have all been caught or implicated by other sources. So can anybody run a sub 9.8 clean and do it multiple times? Asafa was looking semi-shot going into this track season, now based on times he is the favourite. We will see though as he has a habit of choking when the pressure is on at a major meet.

Just a note on the 100m times. A quick research shows that if we examine the world records in the last 100 years, a full second has been shaved off. Donald Lippincott set the first recorded 100m WC at 10.6, and of course Usain Bolt now has the record at 9.58.

If you graph the times from 1912 to 2011 using a log scale, it shows that in about 1200 years or so, humans will be able to run it in 0s flat, and of course that's impossible. In fact, if you look at the equation, it comes to an end right around 9.48, which has been confirmed many times as the human limit by scientific studies.

So, we're very close it, or quite possibly have achieved it already. Bolt's record may never be broken again, and I don't think even he can run a sub 9.6 anymore. That's why, drugs or not, you will not see humans running regular 9.4s or 9.5s 20 years from now or ever.

mattharper said:

I find it strange Powell and Gay can run these times as where only super juicer Ben Johnson could get under 9.8 20 years ago. If I was a gambler and there was a casino game called juicing or non juicing you can bet my money would be on juicing everytime. Basically what we should expect 20 years from now is sprinters running 9.4 all the time. Something is fishy here.

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On the other hand I'd be a bit perplexed if times in hadn't moved on in nearly one quarter of a century.

But back to the thread topic, Lemaitre .........
I think 9.90 in good conditions would be this season's limit for him. After that who knows whether he'll go lower or not. He does want that 9.86 Euro record though and that seems a fair aim to me.

I think Lemaitre definitely has room for improvement.
The 1st half of his race is not very good - he relies mainly on his closing speed to win races.
So he can shave some time by improving that.
Also his technique generally can use improvement.
He is not smooth - he sort of bobs up and down and from side to side, and sometimes over strides.
If he works on his technique and the beginning part of his race, he could make some significant improvement.
But that's easier said than done.
We said the same about Craig Pickering for years, and he never improved his start or his technique.

foobar75, Bolt told that human limit is 9.4x and i think same.
And 9.4x i think that probably with 1.5-2.0 wind, because with 0 wind i would tell impossible.
and well perhaps in big altitude and with big wind 2.0, like mexico, umm 9.4 low or super limit 9.39 i dont know, but would be super perfect race.
So in 20 years probably all people(best runners) will run 9.8x like now "all the people" run 9.9x hehe.

Regards.



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I've put some thought into this, and I think we tend to overemphasize technique on these boards. Every time LeMaitre runs, we get 30 posts saying he could knock his time into the 9.8's if he just changed the way he held his arms or something. The truth is, his technique is good enough, and at this point, it is what it is. Remember, Bolt has never had clean technique. He was bobbing from side to side even when he ran a 9.58. Michael Johnson even did a break down on the way that Bolt collapses laterally with every step. But no event in running is open to more diversity in technique than the 100. Look at the various strange runners of the past--Bullet Bob Hayes, for example (and if you want to get historical, think of guys like Eric Liddle and Charlie Paddock). Even today, Bolt runs nothing like Powell. What Jack said about Pickering is true, too; sprinters are naturals. You can't fool around too much with what they do by nature.

What LeMaitre is lacking is strength more than technique. Guliyev has the same problem. He's not even strong enough, given his height, to keep his body in a lean after the start. It's not easy to be a tall sprinter at these levels when every step has to be perfect. It takes incredible strength.

Exactly....techniquecould be improved a little, but explosivestrengthis what he needs. this is what will help his first 30 meters, help to reacha high speed earlier in the race and maintain it throughout.<div>
</div><div>He started an intense weightliftingprogram this pastwinterand it will take a good 2-3 years for him todevelopthat elite levelstrengthto bodyweight ratio. Hill training will also help his starts.Reaction time has nothing to do with his 1st 30. </div><div>
</div><div>PS: I saw a recent photo of Lemaitre standing next to Powell and noticed Lemiatre is slightly taller than him. Both arelistedas 6'3"...also notice Lemaitre's fragile upper body compared to Powell. Lemaitre has still not finished puberty LOL! He is still underdeveloped, physically in power/strength. 2-3 years and he will be one of the best, Top 3 sprinters ever, for sure.</div><div>
</div><div>http://www.diamondleague-rome.com/Global/Rome/BOLT-PRESSCONFERENCE/powell_lemaitre_lavillenie.jpg</div>

Actually according to Frans bosch Bolts swaying from side to side is what makes him so fast technical flaw woeld be if he swayed left during left foot contact but he sways right due to the enormous amount of force he produces

FastEuro although Powell and Lemaitre are listed both about 6.3 probably Powell is few less perhaps around 188-89 cms(6.2-6.2.5)and Lemaitre around 190-91 cms(6.2.75-6.3)
And Bolt 193-94 cms(6.4-64.5)barefoot.




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christophe is 1m88-89 , so asafa must be 1m87-88

I was reading his bio today and was interested to see Christophe's yearly PBs in 2007,2008,2009 ALL occured in the very last week of July.
Last year he peaked in Rieti with his 9.97 in the last week of August.

Let's await the same trend in 2011 with a peak on 28 August in Daegu

What are the chances of Frater running a PB of 9.88 at the age of 30? Good conditions but gimme a break...too many Jamaicans run PB in their 30s....and then there are the women in their 30's who are making Olympic finals all the time. Strange isn't it?

twinsen that was very annoying. I personally think the guy doing that vidoe has never run track in his life.

nash99 said:

What are the chances of Frater running a PB of 9.88 at the age of 30? Good conditions but gimme a break...too many Jamaicans run PB in their 30s....and then there are the women in their 30's who are making Olympic finals all the time. Strange isn't it?

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The chances of running a PB at 28 (not 30) are extremely good historically speaking.

But this is Christophe's thread

Twinsen9 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To4I1ydkfbE

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Actually isn't that the analysis most of us made about Christophe?
The commentator says he believes with that start/acceleration phase sorted he'll get into the 9.8s and that he ran a fine race. That's my take too.Edited by: mastermulti

the argie said:

I still failed to define an emotion for the race. I feel some discomfort for CL's third place. The first part of his career was disastrous, but then its final sprint was sensational. Also, this is his third sub ​​10 inthis month. And he was 21 y.o.



Moreover, Saidy Ndure ran his first sub 10. At least he did not disappoint me. I find many similarities between him and CL. I think when CL is developed muscularly he will be more or less as Saidy Ndure. Of course,we could say that technically Saidy Ndure committed a false start. His reaction was of 0.107 sec, which is within the accepted, but the human ear takes 0.120 sec. to hear the shot. But leggaly he ran his first sub 10.

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I think it's called frustration!

about the reaction time: I always wondered why there was no a sub 0.100 reaction time! 0.120 minimum reaction time means the starter is 30-40 meters away.. so, why there isn't a luminous start like the Formula one? it will be a lot easier, and calculates only the "explosiveness"
was there any deaf sprinter in history?

foobar75 said:

Just a note on the 100m times. A quick research shows that if we examine the world records in the last 100 years, a full second has been shaved off. Donald Lippincott set the first recorded 100m WC at 10.6, and of course Usain Bolt now has the record at 9.58.

If you graph the times from 1912 to 2011 using a log scale, it shows that in about 1200 years or so, humans will be able to run it in 0s flat, and of course that's impossible. In fact, if you look at the equation, it comes to an end right around 9.48, which has been confirmed many times as the human limit by scientific studies.

So, we're very close it, or quite possibly have achieved it already. Bolt's record may never be broken again, and I don't think even he can run a sub 9.6 anymore. That's why, drugs or not, you will not see humans running regular 9.4s or 9.5s 20 years from now or ever.

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it obviously won't be a zero flat because it's more like a hyperbolic graph.. but I think that in few decades, the sub 9 will not be that abnormal, because the eugenic human selection (and breeding!) won't be ethically unacceptable and the "sprint" for sport victory will push toward such pratiques, something like race horses breeding

bk21 said:

I think it's called frustration!

about the reaction time: I always wondered why there was no a sub 0.100 reaction time! 0.120 minimum reaction time means the starter is 30-40 meters away.. so, why there isn't a luminous start like the Formula one? it will be a lot easier, and calculates only the "explosiveness"
was there any deaf sprinter in history?

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When theshot occurs, the sound must pass through the air to the ear, it transmits the information to the brain which in turn sends the order to the muscle so it reacts. All this takes atless 0.120 sec, which is the minimum timehuman bodytakes to react to sound. If we using a light signal reaction time would be less because light travels faster than sound.

There are deaf sprinters. I don't remember the 100m record, but I believe is 10.60-10.70. And they are the olympic games for deaf.

About the sgnal, would it be luminous or a sound? A light signal would be the best for a deaf, but it would be the worst for a blind runner, like Jason Smith. And if we use both signals, the sound and light, it would benefit some but harm others.

And meybe yes, maybe there's frustation, but I'm fine now; I believe CL go to run under 9.85 in Daegu.

On Sunday 100m in Diamond League Birminghan, there will run some main rivals of Lemaitre in 100:

Asafa Powell
Michael Rodgers
Keston Blendman
Richard Thompson
And fast runners like Nesta Carter and Michael Frater.

But before on Friday, big race 200 in Paris with our Lemaitre, the big Bolt,perhaps Blake(although he is not in the list yet),Patton,Alonso Edward(incredible silver 2 years ago with fantastic 19.81 in Berlin, but since there very bad times range 20.50)and Mario Forsythe.

Everybody hope that Lemaitre get his first sub20
Good luck champion¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡




Edited by: ZELLGADISS

I just wanted to emphasize a point here. If Christophe Lemaitre tried out for the NFL and made a roster, he would be the fastest player in NFL history to do so over 100 meters. Bob "Bullet" Hayes ran a 10.06 at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics and caused scouts to be infatuated with speed at WR, RB and CB. Herschel Walker was considered one of the fastest players in NFL history and his PB in the 100 meters according to Wikipedia is 10.22. What about the famous electrifying Devin Hester with his PB 100 meter time of 10.4x. Hunter Furr and Jake Sharp ran 10.4xs in H.S!

Trindon Holliday spent last season on the Carolina Panthers injured/waived list. Holliday is too small to carry the ball over 200 times in an NFL season IMO at at 5'5 and around 160 lbs. It's a similar situation to Darren Sproles or Noel Devine. Holliday ran a 10 flat over 100 meters to win the U.S Division I NCAA finals a couple years ago. IF he makes the Panthers roster this year I'm pretty sure he would be the fastest player in NFL history to do so.

Looking at combine times, whites do just as well in the first 10-15 yards. I'll concede to Blacksimus that there is a larger percentage (although "VERY" miniscule) of black football players within their demographics, that run 4.40 and under, but when guys like LeGarrette Blount can run a 4.72 at the NFL combine and have a nice NFL rookie season (and become Tampa's starting RB), you know that ELITE speed is simply icing on a cake at the tailback position. Any thoughts on this guys? Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

What kills me about Lemaitre is his last 40 meters are insane. Most great white sprinters are fast over the firat 70 or so meters and then get run down by better competition. This may sound stupid TJR but when is the 40 yard dash even applicable in football. When does a player ever get a chance to run 40 yards at full speed without being hindered by an opposing player? Whites are quicker than blacks overall as shown by all the sub 4.0 second shuttle times run at high school combines.