Christophe Lemaitre "White Lightning" 9.92 and 19.80! -- Part Two

[fernchris55]

Over and over I've heard from Lemaitre's own lips; (paraphrased): "I really am looking forward to good performances as my training has gone well." Then when the race results fall short of his expectations, both Christophe and his coach come out with the excuses. I can understand Carraz as the coach needing to explain away his athlete's failure to perform up to the condition he exhibits in training; after all he can't throw his athlete under the track, and needs to psychologically keep Christophe positive. Christophe himself needs to rationalize his performances that fail to meet what training indicates he was capable of.
My point is either Christophe is lying about his pre-race fitness, or he is ready and fit, and he is the sole reason for not achieving what he's physically capable of, but perhaps mentally, he is his own biggest opponent.
If that's the case then Carraz has less to do with Lemaitre's failures and the actual running fails falls at Christophe's feet. The bucks (times) stop there in the end.
That's not to say Lemaitre couldn't have done better than Carraz, but he may well have wasted what Carraz has provided him. He wouldn't be the first athlete who fails to duplicate his training condition as this sport is not just bones & fast-twitch fibers, but also synapses and neuro transmitters.

 

[elispeedster]

Where i agree with you and not with RCSMan, RCSMAN always apology Lemaitre and Carraz, he says "it's normal, wait he will be good. You are a ignorant ..." Even if Lemaitre finish last in 20.40 he will apologize. And I think in a moment we can doubt about Lemaitre and Carraz, when we see his 2014 season per exemple.

But where i disagree with you, you are just always negative. For the moment we don't have to be worry when we see his season start. 10.18 with rain little wind, realy bad condition, look the Vicaut's chrono in 200. Look other guy in 100 no one run really fast. So don't always say, "look it's bad ! Carraz master noob ..." it's just tiresome. And not appropriate. And Vicaut better Lemaitre in 200 ? I hope it's a joke.
So for the moment wait and see.

The Vicaut point was more sarcasm... but in my opinion Vicaut has done better (Co_Euro Holder in 100), and when he fails I dont hear excuses from him or his coach.....And I am sure Vicaut's coach does not tell him to run for third place. Lemitre needed to leave Caraz after the 2012 London games.

 

[elispeedster]

Friday Christophe ran 3X200M Under 20.8 with 20 minutes rest.

He is in shape

So you say he is in shape, yet you dont think he can make the top 3 in Rome? LMFAO!

 

[RCSMAN]

Over and over I've heard from Lemaitre's own lips; (paraphrased): "I really am looking forward to good performances as my training has gone well." Then when the race results fall short of his expectations, both Christophe and his coach come out with the excuses. I can understand Carraz as the coach needing to explain away his athlete's failure to perform up to the condition he exhibits in training; after all he can't throw his athlete under the track, and needs to psychologically keep Christophe positive. Christophe himself needs to rationalize his performances that fail to meet what training indicates he was capable of.
My point is either Christophe is lying about his pre-race fitness, or he is ready and fit, and he is the sole reason for not achieving what he's physically capable of, but perhaps mentally, his own biggest opponent.
If that's the case then Carraz has less to do with Lemaitre's failures and the actual running fails falls at Christophe's feet. The bucks (times) stop there in the end.
That's not to say Lemaitre couldn't have done better than Carraz, but he may well have wasted what Carraz has provided him. He wouldn't be the first athlete who fails to duplicate his training condition as this sport is not just bones & fast-twitch fibers, but also synapses and neuro transmitters.

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[RCSMAN]

So you say he is in shape, yet you dont think he can make the top 3 in Rome? LMFAO!

you are so immature

 

[elispeedster]

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LOL! What a intellect this RCSMAN is.

 

[elispeedster]

you are so immature

Pop goes the Weasel

 

[RCSMAN]

The Vicaut point was more sarcasm... but in my opinion Vicaut has done better (Co_Euro Holder in 100), and when he fails I dont hear excuses from him or his coach.....And I am sure Vicaut's coach does not tell him to run for third place. Lemitre needed to leave Caraz after the 2012 London games.

"The Vicaut point was more sarcasm"
lol it's just an excuse

 

[elispeedster]

"The Vicaut point was more sarcasm"
lol it's just an excuse

Excuse that is legit..unlike Pierre 'Third Place is good' Caraz

 

[fernchris55]

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Croak croak croak, that's all you got! I even gave Carraz a pass, but that's not enough for Mr. Pompous A$$ Poupon.

RCSMAN: "I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time! You don't frighten me, English-speaking pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "track & field experts," you and all your silly English comments."

CASTEFOOTBALL: "Can't we have a discussion and who do you think you are?"

RCSMAN: "Of course not, your English types and I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly newbie?"

CASTEFOOTBALL: "Will you ask your master Carraz if he wants to join our discussion at Caste football?"

RCSMAN: "You don't frighten me with your silly knees-bent running around interrogating behavior!"

CASTEFOOTBALL: "Go and tell your master Carraz that we have been charged by anti-white racism with a sacred quest. If he will give us time and a place for a discussion, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Lemaitre/Gold Medal."

 

[Ambrose]

Interclub 05/08/16

4X100M : 40"12
Christophe : lane 2

What's he running with his high school buddies again? WTF?

 

[RCSMAN]

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

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Croak croak croak, that's all you got! I even gave Carraz a pass, but that's not enough for Mr. Pompous A$$ Poupon.

RCSMAN: "I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time! You don't frighten me, English-speaking pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "track & field experts," you and all your silly English comments."

CASTEFOOTBALL: "Can't we have a discussion and who do you think you are?"

RCSMAN: "Of course not, your English types and I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly newbie?"

CASTEFOOTBALL: "Will you ask your master Carraz if he wants to join our discussion at Caste football?"

RCSMAN: "You don't frighten me with your silly knees-bent running around interrogating behavior!"

CASTEFOOTBALL: "Go and tell your master Carraz that we have been charged by anti-white racism with a sacred quest. If he will give us time and a place for a discussion, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Lemaitre/Gold Medal."

"Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person"



My god...

 

[Madara]

The Vicaut point was more sarcasm... but in my opinion Vicaut has done better (Co_Euro Holder in 100), and when he fails I dont hear excuses from him or his coach.....And I am sure Vicaut's coach does not tell him to run for third place. Lemitre needed to leave Caraz after the 2012 London games.

False, listen Vicaut when he finished 8 at 2015 WC, he said "I'm happy, during 3 years i did 0 final, i came back 2014 year of injury. i was in my maximum" All we know he should finish on the podium.

But it's true this year, his Coach say, he must do finished in Rio Podium's

 

[FootballDad]

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"


"Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person"



My god...

Hey fernchris55, your clever Python repartee sailed high over the head of this fine gentleman.

 

[fernchris55]

Hey fernchris55, your clever Python repartee sailed high over the head of this fine gentleman.

Table tennis anyone?
Yes as I suspected it would. The taunting French soldier was just one of many wacky skits in that Monty Python classic, the "Holy Grail." I even think the croaking may have escaped his notice. Anyway we all like Lemaitre even if we find ourselves disagreeable. Go Christophe, and make me eat my words!

 

[elispeedster]

Table tennis anyone?
Yes as I suspected it would. The taunting French soldier was just one of many wacky skits in that Monty Python classic, the "Holy Grail." I even think the croaking may have escaped his notice. Anyway we all like Lemaitre even if we find ourselves disagreeable. Go Christophe, and make me eat my words!
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Dam Right! I want Lemaitre to win. I want to see him tear the track, hopefully tonight he will do it...but RCSMAN has only one concern: The Reputation of Master Pierre'Third Place' Caraz.

 

[RCSMAN]

TOP 3, it will be difficult

condition : no rain 18°c/64°F


it was difficult, 4th : 20.27 (0.6)

best first 200M in his career but i had hoped sub 20.20

next race DL Oslo 100M (06/09)

 

[RCSMAN]

condition : no rain 18°c/64°F


it was difficult, 4th : 20.27 (0.6)

best first 200M in his career but i had hoped sub 20.20

next race DL Oslo 100M (06/09)

" The last one 60m, I was lactic, explained the French sprinter. I did not manage to go forwards. I fight as I can to try to keep the technique but I did not have frequency anymore, it was hard. It is at the same time positive and frustrating. I make a good bend and minima without being good at the end, that proves that I can go faster. It is a satisfaction. I am going to feel lighter for the continuation by having them realizing of entrance. I am in the fight with guys who can enter Olympic finale and who have already run faster this season, around 20 " 0. But there was way to go get them but I had no reserve to make it. A 200m was needed to unjam all this. But I expected in a little better ".

 

[elispeedster]

" The last one 60m, I was lactic, explained the French sprinter. I did not manage to go forwards. I fight as I can to try to keep the technique but I did not have frequency anymore, it was hard. It is at the same time positive and frustrating. I make a good bend and minima without being good at the end, that proves that I can go faster. It is a satisfaction. I am going to feel lighter for the continuation by having them realizing of entrance. I am in the fight with guys who can enter Olympic finale and who have already run faster this season, around 20 " 0. But there was way to go get them but I had no reserve to make it. A 200m was needed to unjam all this. But I expected in a little better ".

ROFLMFAO!

 

[Madara]

4th ... I didn't see Brown to strong. Time is bad but, if we look all time in this meeting, we don't have really big time. Lemaitre is close to Edwards who ran 20.06 (and was at 0.2 to Webb in Doha), so it's a good things. Apart Time, it's instead good. (he will better in this last 80)
But now i think we must stop to read Lemaitre's interview. Last Day said, "i'm better than never in long distance... 300m "etc. Yesterday said "i ran 3 200m with 20m rest in 20.8 i was good". And now he said "i was lactic in last 60 meters", it's a joke. Lemaitre has no credibility in his interview.

 

[RCSMAN]

4th ... I didn't see Brown to strong. Time is bad but, if we look all time in this meeting, we don't have really big time. Lemaitre is close to Edwards who ran 20.06 (and was at 0.2 to Webb in Doha), so it's a good things. Apart Time, it's instead good. (he will better in this last 80)
But now i think we must stop to read Lemaitre's interview. Last Day said, "i'm better than never in long distance... 300m "etc. Yesterday said "i ran 3 200m with 20m rest in 20.8 i was good". And now he said "i was lactic in last 60 meters", it's a joke. Lemaitre has no credibility in his interview.

Son 1er 100M est très bon,

en 2014 pour moi il fait :

en 2014 : 10.50-9.74
en 2015 : 10.44-9.84
en 2016 : 10.36-9.91

Fin de course par contre mauvaise voir très mauvaise pour lemaitre

ça 1ère partie montre qu'il retrouve de la vitesse de pointe car son 10.36 vaut 10.10 ou 10.12 au 100M, bon il est battu par un bromell qui est en 10.24 ou par un webb qui fait 10.28 mais ce sont des mecs qui valent moins de 10s dans l'absolu

 

[Madara]

Ouais c'est ce que je me disais, son premier 100 est bon et ça fait plaisir (j'ai envie de dire que c'est limite le plus important), c'est pas aller vite bizarrement dans le 2ème 100. Alors qu'a Doha Webb et Edward étaient plus en 9.6-9.65 sur le deuxième 100.
10.36 ça doit être un de ces meilleurs passages depuis un bon moment (2012 ?)

 

[RCSMAN]

Absolument d'accord sur lemaitre, c'est en tout cas intéressant, je viens de regarder le 200M de Doha, pour moi

DOHA
Webb 10.29-9.66
Edwards 10.34-9.72

ROME
Webb 10.31-9.73
Edwards 10.30-9.95
Bromell 10.23-10.57

A doha je pensais webb plus rapide que ça au passage au 100M pour faire 19.85 mais non, bon ça reste une très bonne première partie de course
Edwards qui est normalement un très grand finisseur, court sa valeur sur le 1er 100M mais a des difficultés pour finir

Des finish bien plus lent à Rome qu'à Doha, la fraicheur de Rome peut en être la cause, il doit y avoir 15°c de différence avec doha

quand à bromell c'est un scketch il faut qu'il arrête le 200M

 

[Madara]

Pour moi le Lemaitre hors de forme à Pékin avait fait vers les 9.75 dans son deuxième 100 en demie finale. Là il est ligne 4 même s'il vire bien on peut espérer un meilleur premier 100m à des lignes comme 5 ou 6. On devrait pas tarder à le voir entre 20.00 et 20.10.

 

[sprintstar]

Hi all! Longtime lurker here. Finally decided to join this wonderful site! I have followed Lemaitre's career for as long as he has been involved in track and I must say I am sad to see such a talented(clean) sprinter waste his talent. The problems I see are mainly his arms and his lack of speed endurance(he is gasping for air) in the last 2-3 years. I can say as a sprint coach for the last 10 years and a masters aged sprinter, he is definitely lacking proper training for speed endurance and after viewing many of his videos, interviews etc I have come to the conclusion he is quite immature mentally and pouts so much before and after races and especially while training. If any of the other members here are sprinters we all know that training is hard and is tedious but it needs to be done. Even though I believe Gatlin is a juicer I doubt you would evr hear him complain or pout about having to train.

Lemaitre needs to clean up his shoulders and arms, especially his left arm as he is actually pulling himself backwards with his left arm movements I do think his knee lift and leg extensions are fantastic in his drive and relax phases. Running in "B" level races or what others call club circuit is a waste of time as he is so much faster than the rest it inflates his sense of accomplishment. You cannot get faster in your mind running against inferior competition no matter the circumstances. He goes from dominating 1 week to getting his ass handed to him the next. His coach is to blame here as his training is inferior and he as a coach should not enter him into these B meets, what if he blows a hamstring or achilles in these meets and his season possibly his career is done? I hate to say it but unless he changes his priorities and seeks high quality coach and training he will never reach his true talent levels. To continually be supporting a coach who is a B level coach as a fan or as a world class sprinter is a travesty. Unless Lemaitre decides to make this much needed change he will never see his abundant natural talent come to fruition.

Cheers....