WR Austin Collie

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  1. backrow

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    my only worry here is that he will be a main target of any opposing teams' headhunters... especially if he lights it up. all the best to him but Austin will need more than luck to stay concussion free
     
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    A day after his coach declared him a "full go," Collie now appears questionable to play again. What is going on here?

    Where is all the journalistic and DWF concern for the head of Collie's fellow WR Greg Jennings?

    I am really rooting for this kid.
     
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    the coach did say that and said he was expected to play. Collie is the one who is unsure and doesn't want to give a definite yes or no. He says the only opinion he cares about outside of his family is his doctor's. He seems to pretty positive about coming back, saying that medical knowledge has advanced. I think the fact that fellow BYU player Steve Young suffered so many and appears to be fine will influence Collie's decision.

    All of this talk about older players with the degenerative brain disease is not getting through correctly. A player doesn't need to have visible signs of a concussion multiple times to wind up this way. Problems can occur every time the head faces any sort of trauma.
     
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    Three days after being proclaimed "fully cleared" to play this Sunday, Austin Collie is listed as doubtful for this week's game. This is two weeks in a row now, with a public pronouncement that he's "fine" to play, followed by inexplicable missed practices and now probably another inactive game.

    All Donnie Avery or any other black WR has to do is show the smallest bit of promise, and Collie will be returned to the dreaded slot, if and when he returns.
     
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    I think I've mentioned this before but the Lions Jahvid Best has been out because of concussions for about a year. It looks less and less like he is ever going to play. So I don't think Collie's issues are strictly about race. Although I would imagine that the average NFL exec is going to think "here's this White guy with a head problem why risk EVER playing him? He's only going to be benched in favor of a REAL receiver after a while".

    Of course they might not think like that in Indy with their White reciever friendly ways over the years and Collies history of exellent play. Still with the concussion sword hanging over the NFL's head right now I bet they are motivated to stick it to the union and delay the hell out of anyone with a head injury.

    Thinking ahead what does this mean for White players? Certainly with the lower value, league wide placed on White talent--minus QB, the situation with marginal White players is going to be: head injury--cut him! This will especially be true for Whitey as it is accepted knowledge that White players are generally cannon fodder anyway, they have plenty to choose from, and the thinking is probably White players are more susceptable to head injuries anyway.

    I'm familiar with the racist thinking of the average NFL guy, similar to the average DWF, black guys are tougher and have heads that are as hard as coconuts, White guys got those big brains (check Wonderlic scores) and thus would be more susceptable to head injury.

    The irony in that kind of thinking is that in the long run White players would be less likely to sue for head injuries. Just the fact that so few players from the White days are digging up lawyers is proof enough. But when you consider the motivation for many later in life head injury lawsuits it seems most are filed by black guys that have followed the typical path of post career black athletes. Boredom, debt, substance abuse, spousal abuse, and typically arrest.

    Generally they blame all of their post glory years dysfunction on the game. And since it is well known that blacks like to play the blame game how much worse is it when you have an open door 'ouch my head hurts-give me money' policy?

    I predict dark days ahead for the NFL (pun fully intended).
     
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    he just can't catch a break... Austin is out for the season...

    Austin Collie has been diagnosed with a ruptured right patella tendon, and is done for the season.

    It's the worst possible news for one of the league's most snakebitten players, and clouds Collie's status for Week 1 2013. Ruptured patella tendons are typically trickier to come back from than torn ACLs. The upshot is that it gives Collie another year to recover from his fourth concussion in 21 months, but that's probably not much of a silver lining for a player who fought hard to make his 2012 debut on Sunday. Two months shy of his 27th birthday, Collie will be a free agent in the offseason. It's quite possible his Colts career is through. For 2012, it means Donnie Avery is now entrenched as Andrew Luck's No. 2 receiver, and that rookies T.Y. Hilton, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen will be bigger parts of the game-plan going forward.

     
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    here is a thought for the Colts. Where the hell is Blair White? he filled in nicely when he had to step up because of injuries, and he didn't get hurt every catch, plus he is 6'2 and ran a 4.49 at the combine, 4.42 at his pro day. Seriously they just wiped him off the map like he never existed. He has proven he has some value with 355 yards in 4 games plus 5 tds. He was used mostly like a slot receiver but can do it all. I know he had back issues but so did Gronkowski.

    This was the typical reaction from the average dwf when they released him:
    "He seemed like a good guy and hard worker, but he’s nothing special at all and he has injury problems now. Like Ridah said you can find 100 people like White off the street. Taking a WR 2nd or 3rd round would be ideal."

    I mean you could literally find 100 White receivers that could produce in the NFL sitting at home, or their phrase "on the street" but of course that isn't what he meant. I don't know if how many of them would be 6'2 with sub 4.5 speed, probably many ranging 5'9 to 6'3 with speed of 4.4 to 4.6, Eric Peterman comes to mind for someone with 4.4 speed sitting at home. Matt Jones with 4.37 speed at 6'6 sitting at home
     
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    The Colts reportedly don't want Collie back. So what will happen to the free agent? Will he follow Blair White out of the league, or will one of the very few White teams that play White WRs sign him, such as the Broncos (as suggested below by Weenieworld), or the Patriots, or. . .? Collie has the talent to be a yearly 1,000+ yard receiver as his monster stats in the first half of 2010 showed, but his injury problems have made it easy for the NFL to allocate him to the memory hole.

    From Weenieworld:

    The Indianapolis Star's Bob Kravitz reports that the Colts will not re-sign free agents Dwight Freeney and Austin Collie. We already knew Freeney wouldn't be back. The "news" is Indianapolis' decision to part with Collie, who is coming off a ruptured right patellar tendon in addition to several previous concussions. One Colts source told Kravitz that, "If Collie had come along the same time as (Peyton) Manning, and had stayed healthy, he would have put up Welker like numbers." We wouldn't be surprised to see Collie reunite with Manning in Denver, replacing Brandon Stokley at slot receiver.
     
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    When he is healthy, Collie is one of the best receivers in the league. He's been injured too much to be a factor.
     
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    Denver would be a terrible place for Collie, he would be stuck back in the slot, and frankly he doesn't know how to play it. He can run the routes but he just doesn't have the open field awareness of how to make himself smaller and avoid big hits. Or maybe he just goes in to kamikaze mode and thinks he can push his way through all the time. You see with Welker, he knows when to duck or go down, its like he has eyes all over his head, he can just sense something coming and we will contort his body to where its not a big blow. He might get jacked up (like seriously) once or twice a year on a 150 targets. Stokley can do this as well and he isn't that much shorter than Collie, there is a reason why he has been around so long, and he playd when slot receivers weren't that big of a thing, the middle of the field had more open space and more guys going full speed coming to hit him. Maybe Collie can do what Alworth used to do which he claimed to make a hit less serious, which was to jump.
     
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    Let's hope a team gives Collie a shot, but I don't have high expectations, especially considering that the media was practically begging him to retire after his concussion-plagued season.


    Austin Collie wants to keep playing, draws inspiration from Pagano


    Posted by Josh Alper on February 17, 2013, 9:39 AM EST

    Wide receiver Austin Collie said that he appreciated the way the Colts informed him that they weren’t going to be re-signing him as a free agent next month.

    Collie said it “showed a lot of class” for owner Jim Irsay to tell him in person that Indianapolis was moving in a different direction. Collie plans to continue playing after a series of concussions and last September’s torn patellar tendon, although he admits he doesn’t know where or even if he’ll be plying his trade in 2013.

    Collie also admitted to getting pretty far down in the dumps after the knee injury that ended his 2012 season in his first appearance. It was less than a week later that Colts coach Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with leukemia, an event that Collie said snapped him out of his doldrums.

    “I learned a lot from Chuck,” Collie said, via Mike Chappell of the Indianapolis Star. “One of the biggest things is just when you think things can’t get any worse, you know, they get worse. After hearing about Chuck’s (diagnosis), I decided my situation was pretty minute compared to that. Just to see him come back and overcome that gave me hope. He was an inspiration to me.”

    Collie says his knee feels better than it has in the last four or five years, but his injury history is going to make teams reticent to make any kind of guarantee when it comes to salary or employment. Collie’s going to have to show a lot of fight to get close to where he was before all the injuries, but he’s certainly picked the right inspiration for his quest.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...o-keep-playing-draws-inspiration-from-pagano/
     
  13. Quiet Speed

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    Food for thought.

    5 intriguing destinations for Austin Collie in the NFL

    By Brandon Judd, Tuesday, February 19, 2013 at 10:39 am MST

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    After being informed last week by the Indianapolis Colts the team would not renew his contract, former BYU wide receiver Austin Collie will be looking to sign with a new NFL team when the free-agent signing period opens March 12.

    There are plenty, from fans to journalists, who are suggesting Collie should retire from professional football, after he’s dealt with concussion issues since 2010 and went down for the year in 2012 with a knee injury. It’s not his passion or talent they question; rather, it’s the fact they don’t want to see someone with such a strong work ethic and undeniable passion for the game do irreversible damage that could haunt his long-term health.

    “Football is a mean business, but this organization has a caring soul, and I don’t believe (Colts owner and CEO) Jim Irsay wanted to continue to employ a guy who may have post-concussion issues long after he retires from the game. It was a matter of conscience,†Indianapolis Star columnist Bob Kravitz wrote last Friday.

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    Collie, not surprisingly, said he’s determined to continue his NFL career.
    “I’m playing,’’ Collie told The Indianapolis Star. “Right now, it would take a doctor to tell me, ‘You can’t play anymore.’ I feel like this is a gift that I’ve been given, and personally I feel I should still be doing it. That’s just me.’’
    With his injury history, Collie will not command a big contract. So, what options are available?

    Here’s a look at a few teams who could be in use of his services:

    Denver Broncos (13-3 in 2012, lost in the AFC divisional round of the playoffs): One of the most discussed destinations for Collie is Denver, where he would be reunited with Peyton Manning. The duo played together in Indianapolis, and it was during the 2009-10 seasons Collie put up his best numbers in the NFL (118 receptions, 1,325 yards, 15 touchdowns). Slot receiver Brandon Stokley caught 45 passes for 544 yards and five touchdowns last season, but he, like Collie, will be an unrestricted free agent when the market opens next month. Denver wide receiver Matt Willis will also be a free agent. If the Broncos don’t re-sign either Stokley, who turns 37 in June, or Willis, they could be in the market to add depth behind their top two wide receivers, Demaryius Thomas (1,434 yards and 10 TDs last year) and Eric Decker (1,064 and 13).

    Atlanta Falcons (13-3 in 2012, lost in the NFC championship game): The Falcons’ wide receiving crew is led by the complimentary duo of Roddy White and Julio Jones, who combined for 171 catches, 2,549 yards and 17 touchdowns last season. After those two, the Falcons — who came up just short of reaching the Super Bowl — could be in the search for depth, as only Harry Douglas (395 yards) had more than 100 receiving yards among the team’s other wideouts. The Falcons may also lose 16-year NFL veteran Tony Gonzalez to retirement, expediting the team’s need for help in the passing game.

    New York Giants (9-7 in 2012, missed the playoffs): Like the Falcons and Broncos, there is no dispute who the Giants’ top two receivers are. Victor Cruz (1,092 yards and 10 TDs in 2012) and Hakeem Nicks (692 yards and three in an injured-riddled season) provide the New York passing offense with a major spark, and the team has an emerging producer at tight end in Martellus Bennett. Cruz is a restricted free agent, and two other wide receivers, Dominek Hixon and Ramses Barden, are unrestricted free agents. The Giants, who are tight against the salary cap, could be in search of a cheaper, productive option at wideout, which Collie could provide.

    New England Patriots (12-4 in 2012, lost in the AFC championship game): Any chance Collie would be looked at for the joining New England team likely depends on what happens with Wes Welker, the Patriots’ leading receiver last year (118 receptions, 1,354 yards and six touchdowns) out of the slot position. The Patriots are one of the league’s most prolific passing offenses, and Welker has proven dependable and durable in their system. New England must decide if it will put the franchise tag on Welker or if it will let the unrestricted free agent test the NFL open market. New England also has a pair of other wide receivers, Deion Branch and Julian Edelman, who will be unrestricted free agents; both put up respectable numbers last season and if they aren’t re-signed, New England could be on the lookout for wideout talent.

    Cleveland Browns (5-11 in 2012, missed the playoffs) or Buffalo Bills (6-10 in 2012, missed the playoffs): Both of these teams are in need of stronger play out of their wide receivers. The Browns have a No. 1 wideout in Josh Gordon (50 receptions for 805 yards and five TDs in 2012) and Greg Little has shown flashes, but is inconsistent. Cleveland also has a pair of wide receivers who will be unrestricted free agents, Mohamed Massaquoi and Josh Cribbs. The Bills are in much the same situation, with a clear No. 1 receiver in Stevie Johnson (79 receptions for 1,046 yards and six TDs last year). Beyond that, Buffalo’s wide receiving crew had minimal impact in 2012. The team will have three free agents, including David Nelson and Donald Jones (restricted) and Ruvell Martin (unrestricted). Collie’s strong work ethic could create positive competition for either team.

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    Collie is such a good receiver but in his case it's not the caste system holding him down, it's injury problems. As much as I hate to say it, I don't see much hope for him. He's constantly injured and the concussions are worrisome at the very least.
     
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    Yes, the NFL is so concerned about his health that one nfl coach who wanted to remain anonymous said he wouldn't mind bringing him in as a 4th receiver, which is below where he was before, occasionally getting some short possession routes, which leads to big blows, and the 4th receiver pretty much has to play special teams, which is also going to increase the risk of concussion.

    If the guy was able to be a number 1 or number 2 with most of his routes by the sideline so he can go out of bounds easier instead of a slot guy going across the middle on most plays then he would be much less likely to get injured, and he has the size and speed, and it appears the concussions haven't affected him so far. The longer you wait the less likely one is going to occur.
     
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    I read the article in USA today and it struck me that Collie, like probably most or all White athletes live in this odd bizzaro world where race does not exist and it's only hard work that gets you ahead. I guess it's a safety mechanism to avoid defeatism but you would think that of all the "handlers" these guys have, agents, assistants, personal coaches, etc. that someone would deliver a little Real World 101 to them. Unfortunately that class is not being attended by many Whites at all in the collapsing empire so I guess it's no surprise that Collie like many others is either not aware or in total denial.
     
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    Below is a direct link to the article from USA Today, written by New York Giants beat writer Mike Garafalo, who's an outstanding writer. Many articles written by Garafalo have been posted here at CF -- Chris Hogan & Connor Vernon features, ect.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...k-concussions-nfl-indianapolis-colts/2386541/


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    It's long article/feature, but here is something most Caste Football readers would care most about. I think Baltimore might be the best fit (Big Joe is no whigger, he'll throw to his best options), followed by the Chargers, who have a new GM and coaching staff:

     
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    Collie worked out with the 49ers today.
    Not sure that's a good team for him, but would at least give me one reason to watch the Niners.
     
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    For what it's worth:

    NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported last month that former Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Austin Collie staged a promising workout with the 49ers in June, but no contract was offered. Matt Barrows of The Sacramento Bee reported Friday that Collie still is on the radar, but the 49ers are unlikely to add another free-agent pass-catcher until after training camp starts.

    With veteran Anquan Boldin penciled in as a starter, the 49ers will stage an open competition across from him. With Mario Manningham on his way back from a serious knee injury, youngsters A.J. Jenkins, Quinton Patton, Marlon Moore, Ricardo Lockette and Kyle Williams will fight for snaps. Barrows reported Collie is on speed dial if nobody steps up.

    Collie's experience is a plus, but his long-standing concussion issues make the 27-year-old a risk.

    This scenario screams for Randy Moss to emerge from the wild, but the 49ers don't appear interested in another go-round with the old man.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ollie-reportedly-on-san-francisco-49ers-radar
     
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    I know it's not likely to happen but Matt Jones is only 30 years old.

    It would take time for him to get in playing shape but a player with his gifts could be the difference between winning a super bowl and not winning one.
     
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    The latest Collie news is that he worked out for the NY Jets. The Jets have one of the worst receiving units so in theory this would be a good landing spot. However, the Jets are also one of the most anti-White.

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...ry-wrs-austin-collie-laurent-robinson-sources

    Out of the teams Collie has tried-out for, I'd like to see him sign with NE of course. The Jets, probably last of the 3 as he'd likely suffer another concussion having to chase passes from the Jets assortment of scatter-armed quarterbacks.
     
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    This is absurd, even by the NFL's rigged standards:

    Dolphins signed WR Julius Pruitt.

    Pruitt beat out Austin Collie and Laurent Robinson for a roster spot. The move does not speak well to Collie and Robinson's health. A training camp lifer in Miami, all nine of Pruitt's career appearances came in 2011. His signing is a band aid until Rishard Matthews (undisclosed) returns.

    Pruitt, whom you may remember from his playing days at Ouachita Baptist University, is nothing more than a special teams player. Seriously, the NFL can find "talent" from DII liberal arts colleges but pass over White guys from major DI football programs. I didn't think Miami was a great fit for Collie but it's getting to the point where he's unlikely to be signed by anyone.
     
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    Finally a piece of good news when it comes to White receivers. Surprisingly even Weenieworld approves:

    49ers signed WR Austin Collie, formerly of the Colts. We're well aware of Collie's history of concussions and 2012 ruptured patellar tendon, and we'd still strongly recommend grabbing him in all dynasty leagues. The 49ers essentially have nothing beyond Anquan Boldin at wide receiver at the moment, and if Collie manages to stay off the shelf he'll have no trouble winning a starting job. Fickle fantasy owners have dismissed "injury-prone" players like Matt Stafford and Danario Alexander in the past, and they've rebounded to be highly productive. An outstanding ball catcher and route runner, Collie is talented enough to be a 2013 fantasy asset with a dose of good injury luck.
     
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    Yes indeed! Needed some good WR news! CF does not waste anytime getting the info out lol...I was hoping to post this earlier.

    Hoping Austin Collie will remain injury free and have a great season!
     

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