Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye July 2011

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  1. Charles Martel

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    I agree, Wlad is still fast but he did look a bit slower today.

    The sharpest I've ever seen Wlad was against Chagaev two years ago. He would have easily KOed Haye at that time, even if Haye just fought to survive like he did today.
     
  2. j41181

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    Mission Accomplished!

    The KLITSCHKOS (Wladimir and Vitali) are now the UNDISPUTED Heavyweight Champions of boxing, all the more reason to give the Jew-driven media headaches.

    White stooges like Froch and Roach need to shut up and give the brothers their long over due respect. They have no idea how significant the Klitschko DOMINATION of heavyweight boxing is...

    It's NO LONGER an American thing, it's NO LONGER a black thing. Regardless of nationality, white fighters and champions are here to stay.
     
  3. hawkeye

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    Haye broke his toe putting his foot in his mouth.
     
  4. j41181

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    Like in the case of Nowitzki, I personally think that Wladimir now deserves a placing in any listing of All-time great boxers. I can clearly see him in the TOP FIVE.

    Aruguably, he could be the BEST Heavyweight ever.
     
  5. GiovaniMarcon

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    Man, oh man. I wish I had bet some money on Gaye claiming an injury after his inevitable loss. I'd have probably bet upwards of five bucks, and then gone out to buy some pancakes or some sh**.

    Is it out of line to think of this fight looked like Ivan Drago hitting Spike Lee?
     
  6. GiovaniMarcon

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    ^^^ I should have added: the fact that Haye whipped off his show to show everyone his injured toe is just SO low and pathetic.

    Can't you just see this homo in his dressing room, painstakingly chittering to himself like a schoolgirl, wrapping up his toe and lisping, "now i've got an ethscuse all ready for when I lose this fight..."

    Dude prolly drives home in a pink Barbie Corvette.
     
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    The Klitschko's need to sack Manny Stewardfast! He was clrealy trying to help Haye by wanting Wladimir to gofor theknockout even tho Wlad was way ahead and Haye was desperate andhis only hope wasto counter punch. Manny was telling him "He can't hurt you!" And Haye is a KO artist. Edited by: lost
     
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    I agree, it made no sense given the situation.
     
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    Also right before the fight he let his phony loyalty mask slip when he was asked about the outcome and he said they both have suspect jaws and ha ha whoever lands the first good punch might win.
     
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    If Steward actually wanted Vlad to go for the KO then he is either nuts or working for the enemy. Edited by: Bart
     
  11. Charles Martel

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    Yes, I think Manny wanted him to get KOed. Did you see the way Haye looked at Steward after the fight.

    Or a negro who, deep in his primitive heart, wanted to see the other negro win. [​IMG] Edited by: Parody
     
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    I think Wlad has learned enough of Steward's defensive principles. He could rediscover his offensive prowess by getting Sdunk back. But, considering on how tremendously successful he's been with Steward for the past 5 years, why fix it when it ain't broken... yet?

    I'm sure now Steward has a lot of explaining to do (and come clean), to maintain his position with Wlad. Wlad's win puts him in a MORE commanding position in their partnership, IMO.

    It used to be that Wald OWES Steward, now it's more like Steward OWES Wald now.
     
  13. Westside

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    Yeah, right, Steward wanted Wlad to lose? And I guess he gets no credit for modifying Wlad's style to remain unbeaten and to have a vice grip on all belts in the division within the last 6 years. Wlad had KO'd 8 out of his last 10 opponents. Manny just wished that Wlad would win with a KO.
     
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    Good a place as any to insert the Billy Conn-Joe louis title fight.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Conn

    In May 1941, Conn gave up his world Light-Heavyweight title to challenge world Heavyweight champion Joe Louis. Conn attempted to become the first world Light-Heavyweight champion in boxing history to win the world's Heavyweight championship when he and Louis met on June 18 of that year, and incredibly, to do so without going up in weight.

    The fight became part of boxing's lore because Conn held a secure lead on the scorecards leading to round 13. According to many experts and fans who watched the fight, Conn was outmaneuvering Louis up to that point.

    In a move that Conn would regret for the rest of his life, he tried to go for the knockout in round 13, and instead wound up losing the fight by knockout in that same round himself.

    Ten minutes after the fight, Conn told reporters, "I lost my head and a million bucks,".[1] When asked by a reporter why he went for the knockout, Conn replied famously, "What's the use of being Irish if you can't be thick (i.e. stupid)?" Later he would joke with Louis, "Why couldn't you let me hold the title for a year or so?", to which the Brown Bomber responded, "You had the title for twelve rounds and you couldn't hold on to it."
     
  15. Charles Martel

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    Steward never modified Wladimir's style. Everything Wlad does now he did in earlier fights - have you never watched them?

    In his very first fight with Steward, Wlad was stopped by Lamon Brewster, who was not a better fighter than his pre-Steward opponents like prime Barrett, Mercer, prime Byrd and prime McCline. Steward kept telling Wlad to go for the early KO against the limited but hard-punching and solid-chinned Brewster, when it would have been wiser to break him down as he did in their second fight. Wlad tried too hard for the KO and gassed.

    Wlad has been on his winning streak because of his maturity and experience, it has NOTHING to do with the negro.

    Wlad would be better off if he'd fire Steward and get a white trainer.Edited by: Parody
     
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    Glad to see Wlad win. Very dominant perfromance. As far as Steward goes I think he wanted him to KO Haye, because in his view Haye did not belong in the same ring with him. I think Steward thought Wlad was giving Haye way more respect then he deserved. Wlad should have KOed that bum by the sixth or seventh round.

    A little disappointing see all those white people from England rooting for Hayne. Where the heck is there ethnic pride. I doubt many black people were pulling for Wlad despite nationality. Also, the England fans showed no class, they booed Wlad when he came to the ring. The German fans showed respect for Haye, as they may not have cheered for him coming into the ring, but they didn't boo him.
     
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    The only White trainer I would want over Manny is Freddie Roach. Manny taught Wlad how to smother guys when they try and get inside. Before he would just box and try tie them up. It didn't work against Sanders. But your criticism of Manny is valid in terms of asking for ko's and forcing Wlad to attack a guy who can't hit him unless Wlad is right there in front of him. In the 12th Wlad was mildly stunned because he attacked when he could have boxed and coasted for the win. Edited by: white is right
     
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    I think this victory by Wlad discredits Haye a lot.

    Wlad never talked crap in this fight; he only responded in as measured a manner as could be expected to the crap Haye talked.

    Haye had a lot to answer for in this fight -- and he failed in every imaginable way. Even he knew he would fail, which is why he manufactured that stupid excuse about the broken toe. What a piece of turd Haye is, egad...

    Wlad said he would win, so he won.

    Haye can go on his f*g*otty Facebook or whatever social media he uses and tell his sorry excuse to his fans. I'm sure even they are sick of making excuses for this tool.
     
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    Parody if you honestly think that Manny had no influence in modifying Wlad's style then the debate bwtn you and I should end. As with everything I look at numbers and performance. Since Manny all of the belts now held by Wlad except one by his brother. Plus the millions earned. I tend to look at empirical evidence rather than conjecture or rabid conspiracy theories. IMHO.
     
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    Manny was doing the same thing in the Eddie Chambers bout. Wlad was up by 11 rounds, and Manny was scolding him in the corner saying he needs to get a KO! He seemed emotionally distraught that it might go the distance. I think hes just a KO fiend myself. Ive heard him ona number of occasions talk about how he loves KOs. Whenhe calls aMayweather bout he doesn't mention it though.
    I certainly would not dismiss the idea thatdeep inside he wouldn't mind seeing Wlad lose. Anyone who has spent plenty of time around blacks, and can think a little, wouldn't dismiss that idea!
     
  21. Charles Martel

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    No, I'm basing my opinions on facts. Your opinions are more influenced by the caste media then mine, that's why you are giving a negro credit for Wlad's success when, in reality, Steward has nothing to do with it. Of course that's what the liberal media tells us - but I've learned to think for myself, while clearly you have not.

    And please, stop attacking people here by calling them "rabid" and "conspiracy theorists". That's very nasty of you, and it makes you seem like one of the people who ridicule and attack this website.

    People who hate www.castefootball.us say exactly the same as you do about us: that we're "rabid conspiracy theorists" - so what does that tell us about who's side you're really on?
     
  22. Charles Martel

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    Exactly.

    I think he has divided loyalties. Steward is a bit of what Malcolm X called a "house negro", because he loves being around white people. I've seen Steward when I've been at events over the years and between fights he's always talking to white people, never to other negroes. But he probably reads the websites where black boxing fans accuse him of being an Uncle Tom, and no doubt it bothers him.

    He was no doubt an excellent trainer in his 40s and 50s, but now he's age 70 and I can tell by his HBO commentary he's lost some of his ability to accurately evaluate boxers. He's often wrong in what he says is likely to happen later in a fight, and sometimes he misses what seems obvious to the other commentators.

    Within the past few years Steward has shown a serious lack of patience with Jermain Taylor, who was actually doing the best he could in all his fights. But farther back, when Steward was younger, he seemed more respectful and patient with the fighters he trained, like Hearns and Lewis.

    Today I watched the fight on a Russian stream and you could hear between rounds everything Steward was saying to Wlad, and it was extremely harsh. I think Wlad would have KOed Haye if he had been a bit more patient, rather than constantly chasing him and applying pressure at all times. Edited by: Parody
     
  23. Westside

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    Parody, I never called anyone here a rabid conspiracy theorist. Name the person I specifically called a conspirocy theorist? I did call one a kettle though. Again I believe you are confusing your "place" here. You are not the creator nor moderator. Just a covert poster like me. I laugh with your incoherrently projections on me.

    You remind me of that angry character played by Ed Harris in the great Movie Glen Gary Glenn Ross. An angry failed real estate broker. You question my loyalty to White athletes, and I let it roll off my shoulder. You when questioned about the credit a hall of famer trainer, you spew bile.
     
  24. Charles Martel

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    So I'm a "bile spewer" now? Because I don't worship a negro boxing trainer like you do?

    And I remind you of a "failed real estate broker"? No, I've never worked in real estate.

    IF you'd give white athletes that same unflinching support that you give negro boxers and boxing trainers, you'd be an excellent poster.

    And it's "incoherent" not "incoherrently". You're insulting me with nasty comments like that, yet you don't even know how to spell the words correctly! [​IMG]

    Are you a child? That would explain a lot.Edited by: Parody
     
  25. Westside

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    Remember when Tyson got KO'd by Douglas in Japan. That huge upset. The odds were like 25 to 1. During that fight Tyson had dumb and dumber in his corner. A white guy and black guy. During the breaks they were applying a condom to his swollen face. Yeah, parody a competent corner gets no credit. LOL. How many cases of beer have drunk?
     

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