USA Men's 22 Players Under New Coach Jurgen Klinsmann

[Matra2]

a friendly match vs antigua? i didn't even knew thay had a team, actually i didn't know that this country existed
yet they manage to score against the USA

World Cup qualifying, not a friendly. The U.S. play Guatemala on Tuesday night.

 

[MilanClass]

i don't follow the USMNT but my radar for black defenders sent me iformations about onyewu:
http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...ders-2011-2012?p=248711&viewfull=1#post248711

a friendly match vs antigua? i didn't even knew thay had a team, actually i didn't know that this country existed
yet they manage to score against the USA

Yes, thank you for that. I missed it. So the question is why does Klinsmann continue to play the American version of Titus Bramble? It's like he has some agenda. Every fan knows he's garbage. Even the DWL's on Bigsoccer think he's terrible...and they're extremely pro black

 

[Matra2]

The starting XI for the qualifying match in Guatemala: Howard, Bocanegra, Bradley, Cherundolo, Edu, Dempsey, Gomez, Donovan, Jones, Goodson and Johnson.

Clint Dempsey scored in the first half to become the fourth highest goalscorer in US team history. Late in the match a Guatemalan drew a foul (apparently embellished) on Fabian Johnson, leading to a goal from the free kick. Final score 1-1. Altidore came on as sub for Gomez. The good news from an American qualifying standpoint is that Jamaica were held to a scoreless draw against mighty Antigua.

 

[MilanClass]

The starting XI for the qualifying match in Guatemala: Howard, Bocanegra, Bradley, Cherundolo, Edu, Dempsey, Gomez, Donovan, Jones, Goodson and Johnson.

Clint Dempsey scored in the first half to become the fourth highest goalscorer in US team history. Late in the match a Guatemalan drew a foul (apparently embellished) on Fabian Johnson, leading to a goal from the free kick. Final score 1-1. Altidore came on as sub for Gomez. The good news from an American qualifying standpoint is that Jamaica were held to a scoreless draw against mighty Antigua.

US will handle Jamaica easily. Jamaica is just another all black team with all super fast athletes but no skill. They will try to chip balls over the top to one of their fast track stars and hope for a lucky goal. These all black teams can never play a possession game and pass the ball around through the midfield. They also cannot produce a good #10 because that position requires a very high level of intelligence.

 

[Matra2]

Jamaica 2 USA 1

Klinsmann:doh:

 

[frederic38]

US will handle Jamaica easily. Jamaica is just another all black team with all super fast athletes but no skill. They will try to chip balls over the top to one of their fast track stars and hope for a lucky goal. These all black teams can never play a possession game and pass the ball around through the midfield. They also cannot produce a good #10 because that position requires a very high level of intelligence.

i don't know much about how american players and jamaican players are trained, but there are some cases when a much bigger country, with more white players, can lose to an all-black team
if the black country has a normal way of training and choosing players for example, while the other country is obsessed with physical blacks

just to give you an example in the qualifiers to the 2013 african cup of nations, some african giants are in big trouble:
cameroon lost to cape verde, a small island
that's because all the cameroonian players are from europe and they only play football because they are thought to be more physical than whites (they tipically only have defensive middlefielders)
the players from cape verde play in most cases in portugal, where they prefer skilled players (hence the very high numbers of south americans in their teams)
check out what all the "top players" (players from FC barcelona - a token black defensive midlefielder ofcourse - malaga CF, from top french clubs, from premier league) on the cameroon team look like against cape verde: http://youtu.be/-WoF4TZQf2s


ivory coast on the other hand under the influence of didier guillou tried to train skilled players
skilled african players are always going to be inferior to european players for a lot of reasons (coordination and intelligence being the most obvious ones)
so that's why none of the players guillou trained were succesfull in europe - except yaya touré, who was the only physical player of course - he was succesfull as a defensive middlefielder of course
on the african continent the teams with the most succes are not the teams with all these bodybuilders that play in europe
the best african countries are the arabic countries, egypt, then ivory coast (because of guillou's influence, he tried to train skilled players) and zambia won the latest african cup of nations - because they had only local players, no black bodybuilders from europe

a great article on that topic that matra posted in the black defenders thread a while ago: http://www.worldsoccer.com/blogs/si...ill-served-by-europes-obsession-with-physique

so maybe that's why jamaican players are better than tha almighty maurice edu :icon_cool:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/avi_creditor/09/07/usa-jamaica-player-ratings/

 

[Matra2]

Is Klinsmann the problem?

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/...em-to-team-struggles-usa-national-team-091012

He spoke of playing a “proactive” style, of finding a soccer identity for America that represents and utilizes its diversity, and of building on the foundations laid by his predecessors.

In the following weeks, he defined “proactive” as a technical, high-paced, high-pressure system that rapidly transitions from defending to attacking by the grace of a back line that’s strong on the ball. Whereas most national team coaches use practice to keep players healthy and go through basic tactics, Klinsmann’s two-a-days or three-a-days lingered endlessly on technique, fitness and the tenets of his system. He introduced his players to early-morning empty-stomach runs, brought in nutritionists and scheduled team yoga sessions. It was a new dawn indeed.

This is the same Klinsmann who remade the German national team as metrosexuals.

Thirteen months and seventeen games on (in which Klinsmann went 8-6-3), one can’t help but wonder what’s become of the lofty goals. Yes, the US has beaten Italy for the first time ever and taken its first win on Mexican soil too.

Nobody cares about "historic" wins if they are only friendlies.

The only significant demographic introduced to the team by Klinsmann, meanwhile, was the strange multitude of Germans born to American servicemen – whose gene pool surely should be conserved for the US national teams of the future – a trend actually set in motion by Bradley.

I hope the writer is not suggesting that there has not been enough demographic change at Team USA because we all know what that usually means.

Anyway, we'll see how they do in the home match against mighty Jamaica on Tuesday night. BTW nine of the Jamaican squad play in the MLS.

 

[Matra2]

Klinsmann's 'shock' decision to omit Jozy Altidore from the US line-up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...-world-cup/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t14_a0

 

[Bk21]

Latest US selecion:

http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-N...e-for-Critical-FIFA-World-Cup-Qualifiers.aspx

GOALKEEPERS (3) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)
DEFENDERS (8) : Carlos Bocanegra (Racing Santander), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Edgar Castillo (Club Tijuana), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover), Maurice Edu (Stoke City), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Parkhurst (Nordsjaelland)
MIDFIELDERS (8) : Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Roma), Joe Corona (Club Tijuana), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Sacha Kljestan (Anderlecht), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)
FORWARDS (5): Clint Dempsey (Tottenham Hotspur), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy), Herculez Gomez (Santos), Alan Gordon (San Jose Earthquakes), Eddie Johnson (Seattle Sounders)

24 players- 15 whites? is there more (between hispanics?)

 

[frederic38]

to me, it looks like klinsmann is in "damage control mode"

the roster seems whiter than the latest one: http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...rgen-Klinsmann?p=248156&viewfull=1#post248156

which was whiter than the one before, ect

this might be because USA is in danger in these world cup qualifyings

 

[Liverlips]

Still too many quota blacks for a team to win.

I hope "our" team loses big.

 

[Bk21]

Still too many quota blacks for a team to win.

I hope "our" team loses big.

wait at least to see the starting 11

 

[Liverlips]

True - but I don't have much faith in Klinsman the racist.

 

[Matra2]

to me, it looks like klinsmann is in "damage control mode"

Now he's claiming, with a straight face, that CONCACAF is a difficult group to qualify from. Other than Mexico and the US all the teams are below average, except maybe once a decade when Costa Rica or another small Central American country plays half-decent football. Most of the teams in Europe and South America would love to be in CONCACAF. If Klinsmann can't qualify Team USA, which has not failed to qualify since 1986, from that group then it will be a black mark on his CV

 

[Matra2]

At half time it is Antigua 1 USA 1. Keep in mind Antigua has a population of 80,000 and its players are amateurs.

 

[Matra2]

After playing an awful match the USA scored in the 92nd minute to squeak out an undeserved victory. It gets worse: Eddie Johnson scored both US goals. Had it stayed a draw the US would've faced a must-win match just to get through to the next stage of qualification. As it stands now a draw against Guatemala will be enough.

BTW the US starting 11 were: Howard; Cherundolo, Goodson, Cameron, Bocanegra, Zusi, Williams, Bradley, E. Johnson; Dempsey, Gomez

 

[Rebajlo]

It gets worse: Eddie Johnson scored both US goals.

Matra2 -

Here's Eddie Johnson:

Looking at his mug, I see a "grown up" L'il Eight Ball:

Incidentally, Walter Lantz also created the far more famous Woody Woodpecker...

 

[Phall]

CNN has caught wind of Klinsmann's preference for foreign-born mulattoes and naturally did a puff piece about it.

[video=youtube;uIJhWoxb6HQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIJhWoxb6HQ[/video]

It's really a two-birds-one-stone arrangement. On the one hand, we get to congratulate ourselves for permitting, pimping, and promoting these tattoo-covered oafs mumbling broken English. But on the other hand, we also get to wallow in guilt as these mutts moan about the "racism" they endured in all-white Germany while becoming professional athletes. Here, let's have one of them show us the tattoo he got to symbolize his struggle growing up without a dad!

The typical fan's mindset is at best that we are employing some libertarian 'creative destruction' ("poaching internationals") and at worst that we're better off for the diversity. Either way, it's a moral high ground where either "the best players play" or we welcome everyone to join us in the "land of opportunity".

Amidst all the fawning, I caught wind of an astounding tally. The USA currently has eleven "German-American" internationals playing in its youth system. A little Teutonic industriousness might be helpful, right?

Alfredo Morales - LOL
Julian Green - black
John Anthony Brooks - mulatto
Jerome Kiesewetter - mulatto
Tyrone McCargo - mulatto
Andrew Wooten - mulatto
Fabian Hürzeler - white (!!!!!)
Jann George - mulatto
Royal-Dominique Fennell - mulatto
Shawn Parker - mulatto

The eleventh player on the list is the best of all... Gedion Zelalem, who is a German "citizen" by way of Ethiopia, who just moved from Washington DC to England to play with Arsenal. American as apple pie I'm sure, and I hope he enjoys a happy Thanksgiving over there.
:usa2:

Delighted fans are seizing this moment to pile onto one white American in particular: Preston Zimmerman.

No, I'd never heard of him either. Preston is an American-born player who plays in Germany's third division. Yahoo! published an op-ed a year ago about some tweets he made regarding "real Americans" getting call-ups, accusing him of xenophobia. (It's the first result in a search engine query for his name)

I'd like to thank the limp-wristed marxist who authored this comment:

Let’s hope The American dude playing in the German 4th division that criticized these guys gets a chance to watch this piece. Hopefully we can stop questioning their authenticity and accept their story as a quintessentially American one

Thanks to you, I have a new player to root for. I hope he gets a camp audition whenever we replace our anti-white coach.

 

[Europe]

How the hell does someone move from Ethiopia to Germany and then they decide they just want to move to the US? I am sick of this.Why would I root for a national team with players like this. it's meaningless at this point.

I wonder how many white players there are in Europe with a white, American parent and a real German or Italian parent.

What's with all the mixed race players. How many of these mixed race players have a white dad?

 

[ThePhilosopher]

Preston Zimmerman-Surely that is a jewish name?

 

[Arend]

Preston Zimmerman-Surely that is a jewish name?

"Zimmermann" is a normal Dutch or (mostly) German name, while "Zimmerman" is simply the Anglicized version of the former. He still could be Jewish though. Many Ashkenazics adopted German sounding names like that, especially in America. If I remember correctly, Bob Dylan’s birth name for example was also “Zimmermanâ€￾

 

[Phall]

What's with all the mixed race players. How many of these mixed race players have a white dad?

Zero. A more inquisitive question would be how many have met their fathers.

Toward the end of the Cold War stand-off with Russia, the US military stationed a lot of grunts at their bases in West Germany. In the post-wall euphoria, some trashbag German women let our dusky foreigners muh dik them, and presto: a bunch of frizzy-haired twenty-somethings now roam around Germany. The military base loophole is what allows these mongrels to apply for US citizenship without ever having stepped foot on this side of the planet.

The concept that irks me the most is when they coax these black players into soundbytes like "I just look more like an American", as if society over here is some logical fit for them. First of all, we've only ever been ~13% black demographically, so it's not exactly the Ghanaian plains. Obviously, no white player would be able to boast that he wanted to play for a team where he "fit in" racially. And if a white fan slipped up and admitted he preferred to cheer for a team that resembled his family and was representative of his neighborhood... :fear:

I wonder how many white players there are in Europe with a white, American parent and a real German or Italian parent.

There are some, but they are outnumbered by our mulatto imports. Mikkel Diskerud has a Norwegian father and earned a few caps this year. Conor Doyle has an Irish father; Will Packwood and Zak Whitbread have English fathers.

Caleb Patterson-Sewell was born in Tennessee to an Australian mother. He is 25 years old and has not been called up to either national team, but has said that whichever team asked first would likely be his choice.

Greg Garza has a Mexican dad but a very European appearance. You might not count him, but he does add to a very curious trend. Every one of these white players adopted their mother's country, while every black player with dual citizenship followed their fathers. A small sample size to be sure, but still laughable considering what any freethinking person deduces about mixed-race relationships and human biodiversity. Patterson-Sewell could snap the streak, but his Australian mother now lives in America.

I found some of these names at this interesting link, where you can check out the rest of our dual-citizens and see where they've chosen to play:
http://www.yanksarecoming.com/the-usa-dual-nationality-squad

 

[Phall]

Klinsmann continued his multicultural experiment this morning with a friendly in Russia. Five mulattos (four German), a black, and a mestizo dwarfed the four American whites on the pitch. Emptying his bench of six, the substitution tally aggregated to three whites on, three whites off.

Despite Russia's monopolization of scoring chances, the USA eked out a 2-2 draw thanks to a pair of cracking goals from white midfielders Michael Bradley and Mix Diskerud. Both goals were near-identical: loping long-balls volleyed off the heads of the forward back into the midfielder's overlapping run. Tiki-taca, it is not.

Fiery black-German Jermaine Jones made a few Russian fans in the upper deck happy by skying several balls inside the box up toward the heavens.

The post-match commentators pined for Omar Gonzalez, mestizo CB extraordinaire, to shore up the spotty defense by replacing one of the whites.

Putting multiculturalism aside for a moment, Klinsmann has embraced an absurd 4-3-3 formation with three defensive midfielders. He has imported new players who "fit" this system, as black-Germans now occupy the outside back and midfield positions. Without possession, creativity, or service behind them, the forwards are left stranded up top, forced to check back wide. The result is lots of sideline runs by strikers, who often won't bother making a poor cross, or in today's case, hopeful long-balls blasted up the field with the idea that a 50/50 ball is better than no ball at all. It's **** soccer.

 

[Matra2]

An interview with Klinsmann about coaching the US, along with cultural differences between countries:

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2013/01/22/jurgen-klinsmann-us-mens-national-soccer-team-sounds-off/

He strikes me as being very arrogant.

 

[Europe]

An interview with Klinsmann about coaching the US, along with cultural differences between countries:

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2013/01/22/jurgen-klinsmann-us-mens-national-soccer-team-sounds-off/

He strikes me as being very arrogant.

I have seen other German soccer players interviewed and many seem arrogant.

Klinsmann acts like he won the WC in 06 with Germany. He made it to the semis. Ok,
England made it to the quarters and had bad luck and everybody says England and Sven were failures, but he is a big success?