USA Men's 22 Players Under New Coach Jurgen Klinsmann

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  1. Jack Lambert

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    That's ridiculous they showed Ethan Horvath. He was the ONLY reason the United States was even in the game; I didn't watch the whole thing, but he had some impressive saves when it mattered. The USA did start 8 whites in this game, but their two black fullbacks sucked. Desevio Payne (that's his name) gave the ball away a few times, including one that gave Columbia a free run on the USA goal, and Horvath bailed him out. Barely any of our guys had played for the National Team, while Columbia played a lot of guys with senior team experience. The USA would've been able to qualify automatically, but a more diverse version of the U-23s managed to lose to Honduras in our region.

    Anyways, the senior team defense actually looked competent against Guatemala with Steve Birnbaum and Geoff Cameron in central defense. I hope Klinsmann is finished with his all-minority back line experiments.
     
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    Klinsmann named his 23 for the Copa America. The roster includes 13 whites (if you count the two jews), 8 blacks, one mestizo, and one black-Asian hybrid. I am guessing the US will start 7 whites and 4 blacks.

    Brad Guzan was declared the starting keeper, which was not a certainty. The 20-yr old Ethan Horvath is the #3 for the time being, also a positive development.

    Tim Ream, Matt Miazga, and Jordan Morris are the most prominent omissions.
     
  3. Jack Lambert

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    I'm actually shocked that Morris and Miazga were omitted. Morris should've been in the team hands down. I'm not sure what his excuse is for keeping him out; he's an up-and-coming stud who needs international experience.

    At least wonderkid Christian Pulisic made it into the team, along with Perry Kitchen.

    I think you're right with the four black starters: Yedlin, Brooks, Jones, and one of Zardes or Nagbe. I'd wager the whites will be: Guzan, Cameron, Besler, Bradley, Zusi, Dempsey, and Wondo.
     
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    Weird piecemeal lineup for the US today in a friendly against Puerto Rico. Only about half of the players dressed will be included in the Copa America.

    Klinsmann started six whites, three blacks, one mestizo, and Bobby Wood. The team finished with five blacks, five whites, and one mestizo. I thought the formation was another vintage mess. Three holding midfielders against a minnow opponent ensured that the quality of play would be slow and boring. The US held position and created few chances. Perry Kitchen got the start on the right side, which might be the first time in his life he has ever played there.

    The game was too boring for me to watch entirely, but it looked like Yedlin helped his case for minutes against this overmatched opponent. Wood also notched a simple goal, staying in good scoring form. Brooks looked as inconsistent as ever, so hopefully he is not a starter for the 'A' team.

    Klinsmann told the press that Wondolowski was in slightly better form than Morris. However, I think that Wondo is actually in Altidore's spot for this tournament, and Morris lost out to Bobby Wood. I would have included Morris or Ethan Finlay over Zardes.

    As for the starters, I think Fabian Johnson is penciled in along with Jones and Yedlin. I'll predict Cameron and Besler at CB alongside the black fullbacks, with Bradley, Bedoya, and Zusi joining Jones in the midfield. Dempsey should be starting, and I'll predict Bobby Wood up front at the moment. This was kind of a painful exercise - too many field positions seem to have no depth, others have more '3rd stringers' who are unlikely to play at all.
     
  5. Jack Lambert

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    I could see that lineup happening as well; I forgot that Fabian Johnson was in the squad (I must've missed him somehow), I think I'd go with Besler/Cameron in the middle, but I still think he finds a way to get Zardes on the pitch to start. But anyway, Klinsmann's formations and selections have always been fairly questionable. I also wasn't able to watch the entire thing, but I find it strange we still couldn't beat a team like Puerto Rico more than 3-1. I'm guessing the USA is practicing how they'll try and play teams like Colombia. With their current team, they'll probably need to play a slow and boring game to have any chance against the South American sides.
     
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    The USA logged a famous 2-0 win over Colombia in the opening match of the Copa America Centenario this past Friday, putting the rest of the world on notice that they have arrived as a legitimate global competitor. Just as impressive was the lineup, as the team started all white players for the first time in perhaps decades.

    Klinsmann opted for veteran stalwart Geoff Cameron at right back, adding an extra bit of stability and experience to the center back pairing of Matt Miazga and Matt Besler. English Championship mainstay Eric Lichaj played a fine 90 minutes on the left. Reverting to the diamond midfield that saw success in the 2014 World Cup, Klinsmann wisely returned captain Michael Bradley to his natural #6 position behind attacking CAM Sascha Klejstan, who has been enjoying a great run of form in the MLS (four assists clear of the league lead). The flanks were manned by Graham Zusi on the left and Ethan Finlay on the right, who both peppered the Colombian backline with dangerous crosses all night. Decorated veteran Clint Dempsey also reverted to his most natural position as a withdrawn striker, making dangerous, intelligent diagonal runs to free up target striker Chris Wondolowski. With the game in hand, Klinsmann brought on Brek Shea for Zusi to batten down the hatches on the back line. Jordan Morris relieved Wondo after 70 strong minutes, and youngster Christian Pulisic won a late cap for his resume as Dempsey exited the pitch to a standing ovation.

    Just kidding, none of that really happened. The USA started six non-whites, with "only four" players lining up outside of their club position. The aforementioned Miazga, Klejstan, Lichaj, Finlay, and Morris, all very viable players, were excluded from the roster. The 4-3-3 was ineffective due in part to that lack of familiarity. Wings pulled too far inside (Zardes and Wood, natural center forwards), fullbacks often either stayed home unnecessarily (Yedlin) or floated away from their mark (Johnson), and Bradley and Jones got clogged in the middle as they played each others' positions. Klinsmann subbed in his two speculative youngsters in hope that they would recover a goal and make him look clever, but they seemed in over their heads during the short window. The US was soundly outmatched both technically and tactically. Dempsey was perhaps the lone bright spot, putting forth the only few dangerous chances (and only two on goal).

    As it's hard to root for this team as it stands, the best case scenario is a flameout in the subsequent games against Costa Rica and Paraguay, an absolute possibility. This is moot if the otherwise unimpeachable Klinsmann still escapes with his job heading into Russia 2018. The only other looming question is whether the handpicked venues of Chicago and Philadelphia will provide true "home crowds" for the USA against their hispanic competition.
     
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    Great to see Team Jew-S-Gay lose their Copa America opener to Colombia. I hope this is one of many pathetic showings to come for Klinsmann's Kosmopolitan Klub in this tournament. They suck, and I love it! The cherry atop the proverbial ice cream sunday is to see the odious (ultra-liberal, Negro-venerating, Asian woman-impregnating) German skipper sent packing.
     
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    This thread is receiving little attention due to the Euros while the US got thrashed 4-0 by Argentina last night:

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    It wasn't even a competitive game as Argentina never went beyond 2nd gear because the US was happy to lose with minimal damage,and never pressed let alone attacked,even at 2-0.Messi has now surpassed Batistuta's record of 44 goal for the National team by one goal.This image of a fan bowing down to Messi after invading the pitch really sums up the greatness of the man:

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    Oh,and 0 shots on goal tells us everything about the US and Jurgen "Contract for life as he has an Asian wife" Klinsmann.
     
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    Great to see this nauseating squad of Negroes, Hispanics, mystery meats, Jews, and off-looking "white" guys (Clint Dempsey) receive a well-deserved bludgeoning...

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    That's six "legit whites" and a rasta jew, plus all the others.

    Thrashen: how dare you put quotes around Dempsey!! I thought you were the one who sifted through his ODP articles and determined he had only ever "gained" from playing among those other hispanics. I knew this ******** from his NE Revolution days when he was signed abroad for his flair despite his "flair."

    Dempsey is perhaps as white as me, in my opinion, so trudge forward!
     
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    There was never any real doubt that Team USA would qualify for the 'Hexagonal'

    What can you really remark about that team, racially, at this point?

    Sacha Klejstan looked a step and shoulders (let alone head) above his competition and/or US substitutes this week during his little hat-tip adventure.

    Pulisic looked like a young genius. I am trying to temper myself when i rate him as a wing/flanker/whatever? he's a wide striker.
    Sometimes he dummied and just blasted multiple errant low balls across the back of the keeper's endline. find a black striker for those brother and maybe he'll give you away a lamborghini!
     
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    The USA may have qualified for the 'Hex' but your northern neighbours failed to. Canada presented the blackest team in its history yet suffered a humiliating early exit. The last two cycles Canada supposedly had the best team in its history but they also failed to qualify - though at least they made it to the Hex.

    Canada qualified with an all white team in 1986 then would've qualified at least one more time in the next decade if it weren't for corrupt CONCACAF refereeing. So Canada, where soccer was virtually unknown in the 70s and 80s but has become a big part of the culture since then, is going backwards. Yet it has more local soccer players than ever and it has had the "benefit" of several million immigrants from soccer-loving countries in the Caribbean, Asia, and Africa since the 80s. How can this be?:rolleyes:
     
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    A raucous crowd in Columbus has gathered to watch the USA begin the hexagonal qualifying games against Mexico. On Veterans' Day, the fans are being treated to a team of three white players. In fact, there are more German-born mulattos (four) than whites on the field. I believe this ties Klinsmann's previous record for least whites on the field at once and breaks new ground for competitive matches. Bradley, Besler, and Pulisic are all that is left (Cameron and Dempsey are not available tonight).

    Columbus, of course, is one of about six remaining host cities in America where Mexican fans don't outdraw the locals. The crowd, surely DWFs to the letter, appears awkwardly "deplorable" in its composition. None of the announcers, players, coaches, and fans have not gotten the memo that America is being made great again.
     
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    Klinsmann has a sick fetish with mulattos born to German mudsharks.. I already hate soccer and it only fuels my hate for the sport when my countries national team represents race mixing stupid German whores more than the common American. He needs to be exiled to Somalia. Any idea on when he'll be fired?!?!
     
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    Well, at least "Team Amerika" lost, 2-1.
     
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    I have to admit, I did love seeing that the "USA," complete with just 4 white starters, was destroyed thoroughly by Costa Rica, 4-0. Hopefully that means Klinnsman is gone, although he's the least of our problems with US Soccer.
     
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    It's looking like the USSF has Bruce Arena lined up as a replacement if Klinnsman is fired. He damn well better be fired after those two games. Arena has had some pretty white-friendly teams with the Galaxy, and I think he'd whiten the team up somewhat from where Klinnsman currently has it. Maybe we'd see more of those "overachievers" in MLS should Arena get the job. He's one of the most successful coaches in American soccer.

    Maybe it'd finally be the end of Jermaine Jones, Timmy Chandler, Altidore, Michael Orozco, Danny Williams, Juan Agudelo and hopefully Omar Gonzalez after last night's "performance." Hopefully it means more of good young American players like Pulisic, Lynden Gooch, Jordan Morris, Matt Miazga, Perry Kitchen, and also some of the MLS talent that Phall has talked about in the past. But first, Klinnsman HAS to go.

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/...jurgen-klinsmanns-future-usmnt-under-scrutiny
     
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    Yes, Arena would be a fine replacement choice. He could step in immediately, "clean house," and still plug in the best American players without much trial or "scouting process." MLS would surely give him back the reins at LA Galaxy in 2019 if he wanted them, or perhaps Beckham's Miami team instead.

    I agree that it was fun watching Team Jew-S-A get walloped by Costa Rica. Unfortunately, the root of this mess starts above Klinsmann. Sunil Gulati is the anti-white globalist who is truly ripe for a usurping. The USMNT is simply just a brand now to be marketed abroad to the same upper class that pays $250 for Levi's jeans. Klinsmann is a fine choice for that role, but not winning games. I had tabbed Arena as my pick for Gulati's successor, but he's probably not retiring yet into a desk job yet.

    I doubt anything will happen before the World Cup. After a very lackluster spring and summer, the USA has showed no urgency because I suspect the coffers are still full. The women's team had its lawsuit laughed out of court when they filed a grievance for "equal pay" as the men. There are still/especially a large amount of (foreign) players in the player pool abroad, and this is a good thing for the marketing department of the USSF.
     
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    Klinsmann fired

    He did exactly what Gulati hired him to do, "diversify" the USMNT, but after five long years they never got the results they expected, did they? Funny, that.
     
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    I am thrilled to be eating crow after declaring that Klinsmann was un-fireable. While it would have been more prudent to start this reboot process in July, I can hardly bring myself to complain. After losing to Mexico in Columbus and then being shown up by Costa Rica away from home, there was little choice left to make for the Indian US citizen and USSF president Sunil Gulati.

    Bruce Arena is a solid, safe, and logical choice as replacement. I imagine he was squarely lined up before the decision on Klinsmann was finalized. Arena is not some savior, but he knows most of the players personally and has surely kept a keen eye on the rest. He will hold the reins through the 2018 World Cup (should the USA actually qualify) and has a clear path into a semi-retirement job afterwards, including picking his own successor (again, if they win). Arena has been over these rungs before at an international level, also having won in college and most recently in MLS.

    Arena has declared that his player pool is mostly set and at most will see a short handful of shuffles to the regular roster. This is OK and also necessary, since there is little time for integration and cohesion before the next pair of hexagonal qualifiers. While not binding, Bruce has praised Sacha Klejstan as the best "faux-10" of the year and also said he wants young antelope Christian Pulisic out wide: both things I would personally wish for as a fan. I will eventually post my list of white MLS players who need a cap, but that list can wait for 2017.
     
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    Obviously, a lot of the "stars" aren't playing, but here's Bruce Arena's first roster for the United States team:

    U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION:
    GOALKEEPERS (3): David Bingham (San Jose Earthquakes), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake), Luis Robles (New York Red Bulls)

    DEFENDERS (8): DaMarcus Beasley (Unattached),Steve Birnbaum (D.C. United), Brad Evans (Seattle Sounders FC), Greg Garza (Atlanta United FC), Chad Marshall (Seattle Sounders FC), Jorge VillafaƱa (Santos Laguna, MEX), Walker Zimmerman (FC Dallas), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)

    MIDFIELDERS (9):Alejandro Bedoya (Philadelphia Union), Michael Bradley (Toronto FC), Benny Feilhaber (Sporting Kansas City), Jermaine Jones (LA Galaxy), Sacha Kljestan (New York Red Bulls), Sebastian Lletget (LA Galaxy), Dax McCarty (Chicago Fire), Darlington Nagbe (Portland Timbers), Chris Pontius (Philadelphia Union)

    FORWARDS (3):Juan Agudelo (New England Revolution), Jozy Altidore (Toronto FC), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC)

    There are just 7 non-whites on the roster, a refreshing change from Klinsmann's teams. I'm counting Villafana as white as well. I do like the fact that guys like Sebastian Lletget and Dax McCarty are finally getting their shot with the team; I hope they're able to make the most of it!
     
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    If you were wondering which direction Bruce Arena would move the team, we may have our answer: tonight against Jamaica, the USA will have 9 white starters!! Even though a lot of the first team guys aren't playing, it's still great to see a lot of white guys out there. Hopefully, some of these guys will be able to make their way up to the first team. The match is on FS1 at 7 Eastern. Go USA! I'd never thought I'd see the Americans put out a whiter team than England and Germany after the Klinsmann mess. In fact, with this lineup, the USA is whiter than all of the Western Euro football "powers" besides Italy and Spain. Should the USA qualify for the World Cup, 7-8 white starters would make them better than most Western Euro teams to support.

    The Starting XI: Luis Robles, Graham Zusi, Steve Birnbaum, Walker Zimmerman (a young player who's got a bright future), Jorge Villafana, Dax McCarty, Chris Pontius, Benny Feilhaber, Sebastian Lletget (another youngster who can be a star), Jordan Morris (perhaps the best American youngster we've got) and Juan Agudelo.
     
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    And Jordon Morris with the only goal of the match to give USMNT the victory...a refreshing change and start under the new coach.
     
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    The commentary team, which had two of my favorite US players (Stuart Holden and Landon Donovan) was saying that a few of the guys off of this team will be playing roles in March. I know they mentioned Morris, as well as Walker Zimmerman (who I thought played really well last night when I was watching) and Sebastian Lletget, who looked good. Feilhaber also had some moments.
     
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    The biennial Under-20 World Cup is underway. In its present iteration, the tournament basically serves as a meat market for European-based scouts, who will then make bloated bids to stock their respective clubs' lists of loanees.

    Nine different countries have raised the cup after the 19 previous tournaments, with eleven titles split between Argentina and Brazil. Upstart Ghana won the tournament in 2009, the only African country to have done so. Compare to the Under 17 World Cup, which in fifteen tournaments has seen Ghana win twice and Nigeria win five times. It seems that by this under-20 age grouping, the earlier physical maturity of Africans has been negated. Of course, this hasn't stopped teams from overhauling their youth rosters to be teeming with African migrants.

    The USA roster is a particularly stark black pill. The team is led by American-by-way-of-Uruguay coach Tab Ramos, who has presided over some very vibrant squads before, but never one so diverse as this. Get a load of this melange:

    Goalkeepers (3 white)
    Jonathan Klinsmann (University of California)
    J.T. Marcinkowski (Georgetown / San Jose Earthquakes Academy)
    Brady Scott (De Anza Force)
    Defenders (5 black, 1 mestizo, 1 white, 1 injured black)
    Danny Acosta (Real Salt Lake)
    Cameron Carter-Vickers (Tottenham Hotspur)
    Marlon Fossey (Fulham)
    Justen Glad (Real Salt Lake)
    Aaron Herrera (University of New Mexico / Real Salt Lake Academy)
    Erik Palmer-Brown (Sporting Kansas City)
    Tommy Redding (Orlando City)
    Auston Trusty (Philadelphia Union)
    Midfielders (4 black, 1 white)
    Tyler Adams (New York Red Bulls)
    Luca De La Torre (Fulham)
    Derrick Jones (Philadelphia Union)
    Eryk Williamson (University of Maryland / D.C. United Academy)
    Gedion Zelalem (Arsenal)
    Forwards (3 black, 2 white, 1 mestizo)
    Jeremy Ebobisse (Portland Timbers)
    Lagos Kunga (Atlanta United Academy)
    Brooks Lennon (Real Salt Lake)
    Emmanuel Sabbi (unattached)
    Josh Sargent (St. Louis Scott Gallagher Missouri)
    Sebastian Saucedo (Real Salt Lake)

    I'm filing this under the Klinsmann thread because his son is the first name on the roster, emblematic of the nepotism and globalism-themed social engineering at work in place of meritocracy. This roster of 7 whites out of 21 is the legacy of Klinsmann's vision for both the US and the world. Tab Ramos, who incidentally raises his own kids in the soccer-centric whitopian suburb of Holmdel, NJ (78% White, 19% Asian), bears plenty of blame as well. And of course, we would be remiss to omit Sunil Gulati's name from the list of anti-white enemies, as the USSF has been his operation for over a decade now.

    I don't have much insight on the roster selection process, so I can't speak to how much influence particular clubs have in pushing their players to be included. It doesn't seem to be based on minutes played or run of form. Plenty of these players may never see a USMNT camp, so understand that they were chosen to be "showcased" for some reason or other despite offering little "Value Over Replacement Players."
     

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