UEFA EURO 2016

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  1. Jack Lambert

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    Good to see you back in time for the Euros, frederic!!

    But yeah, Germany has 7 non-whites in the squad (I consider Mustafi white), with three of them in all liklihood starting: Boateng, Ozil, and Khedira. Emre Can has a good chance of starting at LB; maybe Howedes could move out there, or Kimmich could play there. Khedira might not start of Schweinsteiger can get fit in time. So, it's a range of 7-9 white starters for Germany (Boateng and Ozil are undroppable). Hopefully, Bellarabi won't start either. I hope the three young white players (Weigl, Kimmich, and Brandt) aren't the three that are cut. If anything, Sane will be the only non-white with a chance of being cut.
     
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    yes mustafi and the other muslims from eastern europe are considered white, but this year rebajlo has started to count them in a separate category again after not making a special category for a few years
    i'm for counting them as white while aknowledging that they are culturally alien
    but it's sad that the most represented nationality will probably be albania if there are many of them in the swiss team, while it's a very small country that has never been any good at anything
    mustafi plays at valencia in spain, a club that had a nightmare of a season, the defense was terrible with mustafi and arab abdennour
    they have won only 1 match at home this season with their titular defense, mustafi - abdennour, in all competitions, and it was against eibar
     
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    very strong statement that the french national team has no arab players this time
    arabs really suck at soccer
    the closest one to gettin called was the notorious flop ben arfa, but it would have been a scandalous move to pick him over more deserving or hyped players like martial, griezmann, who has had a fantastic year and will try to win the champions league this weak, the black playing for bayern, etc
    so you had an arab player from nice in the bad french league being the arab hope against players from the biggest clubs in europe
    it was hopeless but still a very strong statement to have no arab players after the recent terrorism cases in france and belgium, the state must have tried really hard to get one arab on the team

    by the way france is totally ready to host the eurochamps
     
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    In what will make frederic VERY happy, I see that Varane will now be missing Euro 2016 with a hamstring injury!! In related news, France finally got their excuse to call up an Arab player; Abdil Rami is Varane's replacement.

    Who do you think will be in France's XI, frederic?
     
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    Italy's provisional 30 features 2 non-whites (and one naturalized white Brazilian). It seems exceptional that 25 of the 30 players are from Serie A; judging by the current thread here, the league is at a rather low ebb in its history. There aren't that many world-class Italians at this point, one might think. Many of Italy's all-time greats did spend their careers in the domestic league, but it's odd that in the global, EU soccer era, the country's top talents are all stuck on about 6 teams.

    Hopefully, they manage to foil Belgium's team of Benetton ads in the opening game.

    I was disappointed that the coach, Conte, omitted Sebastian Giovinco of Toronto of the MLS. The Atomic Ant has never been a national team regular, but he has been absolutely dominant in that second-tier league since signing there.

     
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  6. Giles Daldanus

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    I am looking forward to an exciting and action-packed tournament (though I have to say that I was opposed to the idea of expanding the tournament to 24 teams, as this somewhat cheapeans the whole qualification process, mainly because “big guns” like Italy and Germany do not need to be constantly on their toes and may regard some of the qualifying matches as friendly games suitable for experimentation, though we also have the recent counterexample of a football powerhouse such as the Netherlands missing out despite the easier qualification format)!


    I have been very impressed with Slovakia’s performance in Euro 2016 qualifying, I hope that they will continue to shine in France. However, I think that the omissions of Róbert Vittek, Marek Bakoš, and Martin Jakubko may come back to bite them, as they lack depth in the offensive department. I will also be keeping my fingers crossed for Ukraine, because I have always had a soft spot for them due to Andriy Shevchenko and the way in which they have been unlucky in the playoffs for major (they were elimninated in the play-off ties for the Euro 2000, 2002 World Cup, 2010 World Cup, and 2014 World Cup) tournaments. Also, I hope that a good performance of their national team could help heal some of the wounds due to the Euromaidan and its political & social fall-outs.


    I like Poland, Hungary, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Wales, Iceland, and many of the other participating teams as well. It is amazing how much Iceland and Northern Ireland have managed to progress in just a few years and how many talented footballers they have been able to produce. I remember reading about Iceland’s 2:0 win over Italy in a friendly match held in 2004 at the Laugardalsvöllur stadium in Reykjavik, in which 20,204 Icelanders (approximately 1/5 of the capital’s population) attended the match, so it seems as if this Nordic country’s passion for the beautiful game is not that far behind the one displayed by the Latin countries. Spain, Germany, and France are the clear favourites, but I hope that a team from Eastern or Central Europe will somehow emerge victorious.


    It’s quite disappointing that the final squad nominations for Germany, France, and Switzerland leave a lot to be desired. The ageism in soccer (it baffles me that Robert Huth - who marshalled Leicester City F.C.’s defense really well and also provided a credible offensive threat – was left out of the team for supposedly being too old) is another relatively new trend that I find unappealing in many respects. I agree that Miroslav Klose has not been consistent for S.S. Lazio, but maybe it would have been nice to let him sing his swan song on European soil. I also find it difficult to understand the reasoning behind so many star players deciding to retire prematurely from their national teams (Philipp Lahm and Ryan Giggs are some of the footballers who set the tone for that). Something else that is quite odd is that many European nations naturalize foreigners that are actually not that better than their own players – Slovakia issued a passport to the French-born Togolese Karim Guédé in 2011, Brazilian Marcos Antônio Malachias Júnior - Marquinhos earned his first cap for Bulgaria in the same year, Brazilian Renan Bressan began playing for Belarus in 2012, Brazilian Henrique Luvannor donned the colours of Moldova in 2013, etc. None of these footballers significantly improved the performances of the nations that adopted them and no longer seem to be on the NT managers’ radar (they do not even make the bench). It also appears to me that advanced football age considerations rarely factor in the decisions regarding the viability of going ahead with the naturalization of foreign players.


    @Frederic, shocking scenes, an occupied police car actually being set ablaze in broad daylight, I never thought something like that could happen in Western Europe. I am guessing that these masked guys are radical leftists or anarchists who believe that the current French government is not sufficiently left-wing?
     
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    adil rami was not in the reserve, other black defenders were, umtiti and some random black, but the arab defender was called instead of the black defenders from the reserve (something that you never do, the reserves are here in case there is an injury, it's their role) because they needed a right footed defender and not a left footed one...that's what the coach said....but nobody is really convinced by that explanation
    the scandal after there was no arab in the list must have had some impact

    the non black starters in france's 11 should be lloris as the goalkeeper, koscielny as a defender or maybe adil rami if he wants to start an arab player in some game, cabaye in midfield (he's a quarter vietnames but at this point it no longer matters lol), and griezmann undisputed as a forward and giroud in some matches, that should be between 4 and 5 non black starters, less than 50% at every game but i would still hope that griezmann, giroud etc shine because it will be very hard to lose against the teams we will have to face early in the competition anyways so you might as well hope for good performances from the white players
     
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    how about 12 shots fired on the office of the socialist party 2 days ago? http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-socialists-security-idUKKCN0YE1EM happened in my city
    yes it's because the leftists consider the socialist party to be fascist (while they would be considered communists in many countries)
    when you add the terrorism threat which is huge in france, it's obvious that france cannot host such event securely
    i hope nothing serious happens but if something happens the security forces won't be able to stop it
    also last week a plane going from paris to egypt exploded, but it is not sure so far if it is a terrorist attack or not


    i agree about ageism in soccer being a bad thing
    the spanish team however doesn't seem to be influenced by that trend, they have called players regardless of their age, for example the basque striker who is 35, while they could have called other younger spanish strikers who have been doing very well in the spanish league like paco alcacer
    it was one of the biggest surprises in spain to not call paco alcacer
     
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    I've flown into Charles de Gaulle airport quite a few times over the last decade but I've usually avoided flying out of that airport because I'm a bit paranoid about its security. Obviously given how many flights there are per day there are high odds against something happening but ten years ago I read this blog post and ones like it:

    http://galliawatch.blogspot.ca/2006/04/muslim-mafia-at-roissy-airport.html

    Even though nothing is likely to happen who wants to spend many hours sitting on a flight knowing that every baggage handler was Muslim?

    The one time I did fly out of Charles de Gaulle after reading about its 'Muslim mafia' they stopped me at security because they saw something in the X-Ray of my carry-on baggage that's not permitted. (I'd neglected to double check what was in my bag before rushing to the airport). Yet even though I was pulled aside to have my bag examined the 'illegal' object was not spotted and removed because the security woman couldn't be bothered doing a proper search. Maybe because I don't look like an Arab :) she figured it was pointless. Anyway, it didn't give me much confidence in their security. After the Paris attacks last November dozens of Muslim staff lost their security clearance because the police found evidence that they were jihadist sympathizers.

    The Tour de France is also coming up. That will be even harder to police than a football stadium.
     
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    The French are protesting against globalization and against American-style vampire capitalism. I give them credit for that - regardless of whether they are left wing or right wing. It is something that has to be combated.
    Until recently, France had a proud record of opposing "les Anglo-Saxons", they were out of NATO, refused the invasion of Iraq, treasured their social/economic system focused around providing services for the middle class. Then came Sarkozy, and France became yet another American puppet like the UK. Now people are raising up against that, and that is good. Other people - when their factory is moved to China or Mexico or when their pensions are cut - just meekly and apathetically walk away. Not so the French! They will stage an upraising if necessary. Vive la France!
     
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    Giovinco is a great player who fell victim to "Modern Football" obsession with size. When will people understand that this sport is not NFL?
     
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    Yet they don't protest globalisation when it comes to immigration and multiculturalism. French unions have gone to bat for Muslims who had their security clearances removed at Roissy and clearly have no problems with the mass Third World invasion of France. Unions are only interested in their own material well-being and power.

    BTW Francois Mitterand, a Socialist, sent troops to fight in Iraq with "les Anglo-Saxons" on behalf of "les Juifs" in 1990-1 long before anyone had heard of Sarko.
     
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    Giovinco has played so well in MLS he should be given a chance in Serie A but I'm afraid the MLS is not respected in Europe. Apparently Giovinco prefers Toronto where he actually gets to play, instead of warming the bench, and gets big money for doing so. (I hope he's making more than Joze Altidore who is also paid a lot but accomplishes very little).

    BTW I lived in Toronto's Little Italy in the 90s when I was a student. It's all bilingual and when you go into banks and shops they address you in both Italian and English. I can see why Giovinco says he feels at home there.
     
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    Giovinco makes $5.6 million US per year with Toronto. I believe his salary with Juventus was $2.2 million euros, so he accepted a very large raise.

    Altidore makes about $4.8 million. I think some of the US "stars" get to sign sweetheart deals because their team's merchandise becomes marketable nationwide. Although Altidore has never really fared well with Toronto, he looks especially inept next to Giovinco.

    Here are the rest of the MLS salaries for anyone interested in wasting some time. https://www.mlsplayers.org/images/May 15, 2016 Salary Information - By Club.pdf

    The lone MLS representative at the Euros will be Laurent Ciman of Belgium. Interestingly, he chose to play for Montreal, a city which probably speaks more French than English. Ciman was lured by a more modest $630,000 salary.
     
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    the problem is they probably can't make sure the stadiums are safe, but then there are also the fan zones in every city that can be attacked and that they have to protect
     
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    the ones who are protesting are anarchists and communists, the only flags you are going to see around them will be red (communism) and black (anarchism)
    the french flag is forbidden in their protests
    they are the most anti-white, anti-french people you can get
     
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    one black player more in the french national team: umtiti
    jeremy mathieu, who wasn't going to play anyways,is injured and has been replaced by a black player
    also, koscielny was probably going to play at the euro champs because mamadou sakho was caugh for PED at liverpool (trying to lose some fat with PEDs) but just now he was cleared so i guess he will be back in the team
    also, with the team being well more than 50% black, the coach was accused of racism by cantona, for calling no arab player:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36398922

    cantona said that ben arfa was one of the best players in the world :rolleyes:
     
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    I agree, the smaller you are (to a point), the better center-of-gravity you will have and thus more fluidity in your movements. It's like how the smaller slot receivers in the NFL, like Wes Welker (that some referred to as a "waterbug") as well as Julian Edelman have much better movement in space, as opposed to the bigger and taller receivers (wide-outs) that usually have a better high-end straight-line speed or the even bigger tight ends that have less of both.

    In my mind, the best football club that I have ever seen play was Spain in the 2010 World Cup. I'm guessing they weren't particularly or especially big, because their movements, coordination and passing, especially in small space, was a thing of beauty that couldn't have been accomplished if the likes of "Modern Football" types like the larger Vincent Kompany or Romelu Lukaku were on their team...or others that you are probably more familiar with than I am that would fit that description.
     
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    I remember Cantona fondly from his playing days and Manchester United. The first kit I ever received was one of those red ones with the white collar and a shoelace in front of the neckline.
     
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    It wasn't a very informed football fandom. In hindsight, the chav hero Cantona was a self-selecting media darling because he represented just enough anti-tradition to acclimate the world audience toward "modern football" without shocking it out of its perpetual euphoria. No negro could have displayed such poor future time orientation so as to "kung fu kick" a heckling fan during a game: they would have been tarred and feathered, and the negro race would have been pilloried for decades outside of the sport's collective acceptance. But for a "fiery" Frenchman to commit this felony was just edgy enough to work. While he wasn't quite like the English, he wasn't visibly unlike them, either.
     
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    It is logical that Cantona would find a career of influence in football after his playing days, using his Mediterranean monkey-brain to cast big decisions for those willing to listen. This man is not a forward thinker; rather, his trademark impulsiveness sullies his decision-making at every step. It is marvelous that he has ascended to the role of footballing executive without the most basic of acumen. Perhaps he has a tattoo on his forearm to help remind himself every morning what role he is supposed to play. His status as a celebrity in power is akin to Kim Kardashian running your club. Fans should wonder why!

    I did not know that Cantona was such an anti-white piece of sh*t until today. Maybe the hatred of his own race is inspired by a more deep and critical self-analysis of his shortcomings as a man. Doubtful, but technically possible. He will continue flinging accusations of 'racism' against his co-ethnics until the entire planet is brown and the curious white philosophy of egalitarianism is dashed from the world.

    All hail Cantona, the best African striker to ever suit up for the Red Devils!
     
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    Cantona's wife is an Arab of Algerian background.
     
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    If they protested against immigration in these numbers and with such intensity it would be fantastic, but even these protests against the dismantling of their welfare system I see as a step in the right direction... as a message to the elites that they cannot do whatever they want in France as they do in other countries (Italy, UK etc.). The French has a long history of revolutionary action... if only they could channel their energy in the right direction.
    Regarding Gulf War 1, it was an obvious Jewish swindle, but one authorized by the UN (even the Soviet Union voted for it), so France, as a member of the security council, had to grudgingly provide some support (the French defense minister resigned in sign of opposition). Mitterrand was the first French president to visit Israel, so that tells it all...
     
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    djamel debouses, arab-french actor, said that ben arfa wasn't called because of what has happened in france outside of football, presumably because france is anti-islam
    yet it is all the oposite, france was trying so hard to call an arab player , but couldn't find one
    i have posted many times about how important it is for the government to have an arab player in the team when you have french arabs going to syria to fight for islam
    pretending the opposite is crazy
     
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    france has a long communist history
    that's what the current president said while also adding that we had to pay hommage to that communist history
    the socialists govern france with the communists, both in the same government
    they have done so for a very long time
    mitterand was one of the very few personalities to visit eastern germany when they were communists
    he visited them until the very last day, , just before the berlin wall was taken down, in an official visit
    what we are seing today is the continuation of that
    communism and anarchism are very strong in france and today they feel so strong that they want more power
    you have to realise that the left is so strong that everybody in france is a communist to a certain extent even in the right wing parties and even in the far right
    they are fighting for this, but certainly not for france
     

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