tommy morrison

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  1. DixieDestroyer

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    Exactly WH46. Morrison had plenty of firepower in his fists, but lacked that granite chin (ala Tex Cobb...who had the opposite issue).
     
  2. Westside

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    Yeah you guys are correct . If Tommy had a chin such as Vitali he would have potentially gone down as an all time great. That coupled with his reckless lifestyle Being checked big time.
     
  3. Van_Slyke_CF

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    When I think of Tommy Morrison's career at this point, I just like to remember him nearly taking Razor Ruddock's head off.
     
  4. space hillbilly

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    Morrison gets very overrated by white boxing fans, Tommy not only let his white fans downbut he costed whites [ I believe ]an even better prospect in Yuri Vaulin. If not been for Tommy's addmited juicing, I believe Vaulin would have beaten Morrison and he being a boxer, he was a far better matchup against Mercer than Tommy, and i think Vaulin wouldof beat Mercer and become the WBO champion, also the #1 contender too Holyfield, and looking back i really like his style matchup against both Mercer and Holyfield....
     
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    He might be overrated by some, true. When I watch Morrison fight I see a strong guy with great athleticism, an all-time great left hook, a decent right, poor stamina and a weak chin.<div>
    </div><div>Plus, his defense was not the greatest. He could be hit. In this regard, he reminds me of Tyson after he left Kevin Rooney. Poor defense and stamina, but still a great punch.</div><div>
    </div><div>Morrison would always have a puncher's chance, and if he fought intelligently like he did against Foreman, he might have been able to hang around the elite level for a while. He could have beaten several titleholders (think guys like Moorer, Botha, etc) but would lose against the truly elite.</div><div>
    </div><div>But he was exciting, knocked people cold and that is what people want in a heavyweight. It is my lone criticism of the K Brothers. They should be knocking guys senseless in the first 3 rounds, going all-out instead of methodically wearing down their opponents over the course of the fight.</div>
     
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    In what wayare the Klitschko's boring? Don't buy into the propaganda, the Klitschkos have a higher ko% than Tyson, yea, Tyson looked good against a few half-conscious crack addicts, but he was also beat all around the ring by Douglas, Douglas never had a win over a top fighter before or after he ko'd Tyson, but he wasn't a crackhead.....
     
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    "In what wayare the Klitschko's boring? Don't buy into the propaganda,
    the Klitschkos have a higher ko% than Tyson, yea, Tyson looked good
    against a few half-conscious crack addicts, but he was also beat all
    around the ring by Douglas, Douglas never had a win over a top fighter
    before or after he ko'd Tyson, but he wasn't a crackhead....."



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    Wlad used to go all out like Morrison and like Morrison Wlad cost himself dearly and ended up losing 3 fights because of it. 2 of them he punched himself out (Purritty, Brewster) and his carelessness got him TKO'd versus Sanders. Then Wlad got smart and hired a HOF trainer who made the most of Wlads talents by teaching him to pace himself, improve his defense, use his height, dominate with his jab, tie an opponent up and then go for the KO so you don't expose yourself to unnecessary risks.

    I'd rather Wlad be one of the most dominating Champions of All-Time than just an exciting brawler who loses to inferior fighters occasionally by leaving himself open or punching himself out! The haters still hated Wlad even when he was a more "exciting" fighter...
     
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    "I'd rather Wlad be one of the most dominating Champions of All-Time..."

    Wlad and Vitali both are the most dominating champions of all time. They fight all comers, many previously unbeaten, and they not only win every fight, but they win every round, and they have become so great that they rarely even get their hair mussed doing it. Furthermore, despite the constant hate propaganda from the controlled US media, the heavyweight division is much bigger and stronger and more international in scope now than it has ever been before. Not since Babe Ruth dominated baseball in the 1920's has any athlete so dominated his sport as the amazing Klitschko brothers do the heavyweight division.

    As for Tommy Morrison, I know a guy who went to school, and was friends, with him. He says he used to be "funny, personable, and intelligent", but he said, "I hate seeing what has become of what was once a great athlete."
     
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    I really, really, like the K bros, but they fight a cautious fight and I'm glad about it. They win, that's all anyone will really remember and they aren't getting their brain bashed around which probably means they will keep their senses into their old age. But your comment "rarely even get their hair mussed" says it all. Their fights can be boring unless you are into seeing some black guy eat jabs for 15 rounds (which I am!).

    So the haters are right about that but so what? It's the job of the other boxer to bring the fight to them. Notice how rarely that happens because their opponants know that the best course is to eat leather for 15 and collect the pay check, if they really tried to challage the K's then Vlad or Vitali might really go off on them. Boring? What was more boring then 'rope a dope' funny how you never hear that being mentioned as boring, instead it was a great strategy?!?
     
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    The Klitschko's are more dominant than any other heavyweights in the history of the sport. That much is a fact. However, their level of competition is supposedly the reason for this. At least that's what the media and DWF's say.
     
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    "That much is a fact. However, their level of competition is supposedly
    the reason for this. At least that's what the media and DWF's say. "



    Their level of competion is bigger and stronger and more international than ever before. Cassius Clay alias Muhamed Ali, for instance - the greatest of all negro superheroes, according to the controlled media - was busy getting crooked decisions and crooked wins from crooked judges over guys only weighing in the 180's, like Alonzo Johnson, for instance. He never fought one single Russian or eastern European or Cuban or black or white African.


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    Tell that to the media and DWF's. According to them, negroes are the superior athletes and if they weren't all in the NBA and NFL they would be dominating the heavyweight division. The DWF's buy right into this propaganda.
     
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    Part of the media's propaganda about todays heavyweight division is totake a "snap shot" of the top ten today and compare it to past fighters over ten years [Era] like the 70s,
    by this little "trick" they can fill the top ten withfighters who were not in their prime at the same point, and fighters who's careers did't even overlap, i've seen Sonny Liston and Larry Holmes be called greats from the 70s, but Liston was dead years before Holmes turned pro,

    If you take a "snapshot" of the 70's at any point you'll see a very shallow division with half the names being nothingmore thanclubfighters that had lost as much as 1/3 of their fights.

    If you dropped the Klitschko's into the 70s at any point they wouldn't be fighting all the greatat their prime at the same time. Anybody can do this, go back ten years from today and see who you can put in the top ten, Lewis, Holyfield, Tua, but were they all prime in the 2000's? no! but was Ali and Holmes prime in the 70s? Also no! It's just all part of the propaganda....
     
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    I don't think any of us don't believe the Kilts could win in any era. The are too big and athletic to not be favored any time. But I don't make excuses for their boring style. Being cautious, especially when that physically dominant over your opponents, is not going to endear them to the public. There is no reason for it. They will go (barring an unforeseen events) as two of the most dominant of all heavyweight champions, but they will not be remembered or adulated like other champions. Their style is not exciting. The same thing was said about Lewis and Holmes, for example. Two dominant champions who fought rather boring fights.<div>
    </div><div>Wlad an Vitaly should be knocking their opponents out within 3 rounds. The guys they are fighting (Peter, Chambers, Arreola, Briggs, Byrd, etc.) are not that great. The Klits can put them away easily, within 3-4 rounds, if they went for the kill. Instead, they are content to jab, jab, jab for several rounds then drop the right after the opponent is exhausted and jabbed to hell.</div><div>
    </div><div>Effective? Absolutely. Exciting? Hardly.</div><div>
    </div><div>And that is why they are not endearing themselves to the public in the States.</div>
     
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    Both Lewis and Holmes were surprisingly savaged by the media during their prime fighting days. It is not until years later that they are giving their due. I remember Holmes yelling at the top of his voice at a press conference, complaining that media was not being fair to him.

    I still remember the Norton v Holmes fight June 1978 one of the absolute best ever, I still think Norton got hosed. He never got the close decisions. Never.
     
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    What do people want from the Klitschkos? You're buying into all the propaganda,
    and as far as Peter, Chambers, Arreola, Briggs and Byrd not being that great, I don't see them being no worse than Norton, Ellis, Lyle, Shavers, Mathis, etc. Mathis was overweight, Norton and Shavers had no chin, Ellis had no power, Lyle was a five/six round fighter only. but they were black and the champion's were black, so they were great.. The Klitschko's are white, so their not...
     
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    Exactly correct, Mr. Lost!!
     
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    Without growing the number of quotes, I'd like to agree with lost. warhawk46, the Brothers K might not have the most endearing style, but that is not the main reason they haven't been accepted by the U.S. public. The main reason is that they are White and the media has practically ignored and mocked them because they are White.
     
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    The most boring fighter I ever watchas a kidwas Ali, it was at the end of his career, but I was new to boxing and still got so bored I would stop watching him fight, the Ali/spinks fights were the worst in history
    IMO. But back then nobody dared tocall them boring...
     
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    Klitschkos boring? I guess different people get bored by different
    things. Hey, some people find golf and tennis and poker on tv exciting. One half second of that sh*t bores me. In fact, tv bores me. But I think that the K brothers are the most exciting fighters in the world. It is a
    thing of beauty and amazement to watch them work. The object of the game
    is to punch the other guy and not get punched yourself, and nobody's
    ever done that better. Plus they have the highest KO percentage of
    all time. So if somebody says they're a boxing fan and says they find the K brothers boring...well, what can I say?
     
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    If the K brothers were black they'd be the most hyped up and glorified thing in the USSA since Barry Soetoro alias Barak Hussein Obama and Michael King alias the Rev. Dr. ML King, Jr.! Max Kellerman and the rest of them would be wetting their panties and swooning at the very mention of their name!
     
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    For the record, I don't think the Brothers K are boring in the least. I like their style. It is technical and methodical. It requires and uses a lot of intelligence along with their tremendous physical talent and skill. I like to see a precision White fighter slowly wear down and defeat his opponent. To me that is one mark of a great fighter, and it will help them stay on top longer, imho. To the average non-racially aware American sheeple, the connection just isn't there. Their style certainly doesn't appear as flashy or have the same image that over-rated negro fighters like Clay had, and the media reinforces that flawed perception.
     
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    What do I want to see from the Klits? I want them to blast out the fools they fight in a couple rounds. They are certainly good enough. But they don't. They fight cautiously. While that is smart, it is not endearing to many fight fans or the media.<div>
    </div><div>As I and another poster have mentioned, both Lewis and Holmes, both black, fought similar styles and were routinely criticized by media and fight fans alike for their boring, cautious style.</div><div>
    </div><div>Tommy Morrison, on the other hand, a white guy with a very exciting kill or be killed style, was very popular and routinely fought on TV. He might have had a better hook, but other than that he was nowhere near as talented as the Klits. But he was popular. Why? He won the crowd. The US crowd wants excitement. They see a guy who is 6'7", 250 lbs of ripped muscle and crazy ability fighting cautiously and they aren't impressed. I don't blame them.</div><div>
    </div><div>Bottom line is the Klits being cautious is certainly going a long ways towards keeping them untouchable, it is not endearing them to the American public or media. Same as Lewis. Same as Holmes.</div><div>
    </div><div>When Denis Boytsov starts to move up in class and fight on HBO or Showtime, you will find him to be incredibly popular in the States. Why? He has an exciting style. He isn't overly cautious. That's the bottom line.</div>
     
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    Wlad fought a similarly reckless style like Morrison's before he hired
    Manny and Wlad was just as hated back then as he is now except the MSM
    and DWFs could gloat when Wlad punched himself out twice and got himself
    caught, similar to what Morrison used to always do and they could say
    how overrated he was. I remember Wlad letting his inferior opponents
    inside and Wlad recklessly throwing triple left hooks.

    Do
    Americans seriously want the HW's to just go in brawling like it's a
    Toughman contest? The Klits have a HIGHER KO% than EVERY other HW
    Champion in history. Using boxing skills to dominate, break an opponents
    will and then finishing him is exciting to me as a boxing fan.
     

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