The Netherlands Joins The African Union

[Van_Slyke_CF]

Japan played the Netherlands in Olympic soccer today and lost 1-0. I was working out at the gym and just happened to notice the game on one of the TVs. Generally I could care less about Japan`s soccer team, but did I ever do a double-take when I saw the "Dutch" team. The majority of the players on the field were black! I didn`t see the starting lineups, and only watched the last 15-20 minutes of the game, but there were only a few white players on the field while I was watching.

For those of you who like soccer, don`t look forward to cheering for the Dutch in 2010. The Dutch team will fit in real well in South Africa, though, if their Olympic team is anything to go by. I can already see them being promoted by the MSM as an example of racial harmony for the rest of the world to follow.

Seeing as how the U.S. government believes that countries on the Asian side of the Eurasian landmass should be members of the EU, I guess it`s only fitting for a European country to join the AU.

 

[devans]

Seeing as how the U.S. government believes that countries on the Asian side of the Eurasian landmass should be members of the EU, I guess it`s only fitting for a European country to join the AU.

Please excuse my ignorance but which country are you refering to?

 

[Van_Slyke_CF]

Georgia, of course. I don`t think a country in its geographical position should be considered a part of Eastern Europe, and I most certainly don`t see why it should be considered for EU and NATO membership. Sorry, I guess I should have spelled it out without leaving anything at all up to the imagination.

Anyway, this is about soccer. Another reason I decided to write this post is because there was a homepage story a few weeks back about more white soccer players on France`s national team. Well, I can tell you that the Dutch look to be headed in a darker direction.

 

[devans]

Thanks for the clarification. By the generally accepted definition of Europe, Georgia is either in Europe, or partially in Europe. Here is one a map showing the extent of Europe...

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Also its people are Christian and have historical ties with Europe. And there is precedence for partial or non european countries in NATO, namely USA, Canada and Turkey. I know where you are coming from with this. I agree we should be careful who we ally with because we could get dragged into more conflicts around the world. Britain (where I live) and the USA are already in a few hotspots and I don't want to see young British lives put at risk in other peoples wars. Back to the Soccer. The curent dutch team in very good and is one of the most european looking I've seen for a whole out of Holland. Their top stars are all white. They do have a large non-white populatio however from former colonies, and the makeup of the team does vary from time to time. With your Dutch sounding username I guess you may know more about Holland than me? I don't think the junior squad is anything to worry about. Let's see what happens in the Olympic games and which teams come out on top.

 

[Van_Slyke_CF]

"By the generally accepted definition of Europe, Georgia is either in Europe, or partially in Europe."

Yeah, so it`s debatable exactly how "European" Georgia is-hence my point. It`s kind of at a crossroads, isn`t it? There is always some dispute as to how much of Russia should be included in Europe proper.

"And there is precedence for partial or non european countries in NATO, namely USA, Canada and Turkey."

Yes, but why antagonize the Russians with the expansion of the EU and NATO into places like Georgia? Is it truly necessary to expand NATO all the way round Russia with the Baltic states, Ukraine, Georgia and who knows where else in the future? I`m no supporter of Putin`s Russia, but I can understand at least some of their rationale for their recent actions in Georgia.

We are playing a dangerous geopolitical chessgame and, with the Russians holding a lot of the natural resources chips, I don`t see how we can do much other than threaten action.

This is not a political thread, so I`ll stop with this part now and let you have the last word if you like.

"I don't think the junior squad is anything to worry about."

You may be right about 2010, and Olympic soccer does not always represent a country`s best Under-23 players by any means, but I can tell you that the Dutch used one helluva a lot of dark players in the match the other day.

 

[Liverlips]

The Dutch started only 1-2 non-whites at the European Championships last month. These blacks must be their scrubs.

 

[bigunreal]

I was watching some of the Argentina-Netherlands soccer match this morning. Like Van Slyke, I was astonished at the racial makeup of the team. There were only 1 or 2 whites on the field! A few of the "Netherlands" players looked like Marion Barber, with their long dreadlocks. Also, their style of play was positively "ghetto"- roughing up the Argentine players, pushing them down, blatantly fouling, etc. How can this be? What percentage of their population can possibly be black?

Here I would have thought the Netherlands was one of the whitest places on earth. The more I watch these Olympics, the more I think we're becoming Don King's World.

 

[waterbed]

netherlands played with only 2 whites and on the end 3 whites.It's by far not the whitest places on earth.offical of the 16 million people 1 milion is arab.850 000 are mixed white with indonesian.200 000 east asian :afro surinamese 200 000
netherands antilles 130 000(with alot of white and native admixture)
sub saharan africans 200 000

this are the statistics but my believe is that their are millions of non white illegals mostly in the big cities.
Rotterdam is a mostly black city ,Den Haag( the hague) is mostly arab.Most people on the street their can only speak arab and churches go away and alot of mosques are build.(the arab women have on average like 4 kids white women 1.6)The Famous Amstedam is still mostly white (like 60% )but also big black polulation.the soccer Academies are mostly in the big cities that's why their are so many non white soccer players.Also blacks are seen as fast ( they also see the olympic 100 meters) but in my perception they are not faster in soccer sprints which are mostly over like 30 meters.In my soccer team in Utrecht i had to run out in a sprint match the black guys 4 times before they believed I was faster.I have nothing at all against blacks most are nice to me(also we whites are on average 187 cm = 6-1.5 feet and are also more build then blacks who are on average like 5-9 feet and smaler build so they have a reasen to be nice

) but in a group sometimes a bit bad baviour and their crime rate is too high( more then 1/10 has been in prison and alot of times you get away with a crime so its could be much higher)

 

[guest301]

The Netherlands baseball team I was watching the other day against the USA seemed to have a above average number of blacks on it as well.Edited by: guest301

 

[blue_mentos]

The olympics or any youth tournament for that matter isn't really the best indication of how the senior team will turn out. i have hope in the netherlands, as their best players have almost always been (and as of right now are) white. nigeria is a good example of how many of these players completely peak at a very young age, and do not develop further. They have 1 gold medal in the olympics, have won the U-17 world cup twice, and have finished runner-up in the U-20 world cup twice. However, no nigerian squad has ever made it to the final eight in any world cup.

with the exception of a couple french teams, i dont think ive ever seen a darker squad from a european nation than what the netherlands fielded in this competition. they were lucky to have even made it into the knock-out rounds and hopefully things will change a bit in the next 2 years.

 

[Angelcynn]

Waterbed, its the same in England. The vast majority of blacks live in the inner cities of the big cities and now make up large percentages of those populations (hence the rapid rise of violent crimes and youths murdering each other with knives and guns). All the football academies are therefor set up in the inner cities to keep youths away from crime.

 

[Sean]

I counted six non-whites (two light skinned North Africans) out of the 23 man roster. However, their recent call ups appear to be majority non-white/black.

 

[Europe]

I think England had 9 black or mixed race playersout of the 18chosen for the most recent game against Belarus. There are only 2 percent of the population that is black and about 1.2 % that is mixed race in the UK.50% isvery disproportionate.That seems worse than the NFL. It's not as noticeable because there aren't as many blacks in the UK.


I am tired of all the Brazilians that are on other national teams also, Spain,Croatia,Portugal. European soccer is being taken over by South American and Africans. There should be strict rules on the amount of non European players in the Euro leagues. Allowing a few top non euro players might be ok, but they can't take over the league. Maybe you could have a 6-4-1 rule;6 from the home country, 4 from other European union countries and 1 non euro country player.Maybe you could have 1 or 2 non euro players per team and the rest from any european union country.

 

[blue_mentos]

I agree with you Europe that more leagues should adopt some sort of plan for fielding teams consisting of mostly domestic players. I know that in the J-league, there is a three foreigner rule, and I think that is about right. Not only does it give the primary audience members a sense of common identity with the players, but having a successful league consisting of your own countries players does wonders for improving the national team and creating a deeper depth of talent. I think the J-League as well as the MLS (which has a policy, although less strict) has helped their country's national teams out tremendously.

Also, I think the naturalization laws must be stricter. There are players that live in a country for only weeks, don't know the language and they are given permission to change nationalities. It doesn't make much sense.

 

[Europe]

I hope Almunia, the Arsenal goal keeper, never plays for England like he wants to. If he can't make the spanish team ,that is too bad for him.I think Scotand might let a Spanish player on their national team also.National teams are getting to be a joke.


Japan is one of the only countries that looks out for it's own people.


Novo,theSpaniard, actually said a player should be born in the country to represent the country.


I think Argentina has restrictions on foreign players, although I am not positive.


I read somewhere that 1500 Brazilian players leave Brazil every year to play abroad.It seems like a large number. I don't know if it is correct. But they are all over the world.

 

[devans]

I think England had 9 black or mixed race playersout of the 18chosen for the most recent game against Belarus. There are only 2 percent of the population that is black and about 1.2 % that is mixed race in the UK.50% isvery disproportionate.That seems worse than the NFL. It's not as noticeable because there aren't as many blacks in the UK.

The figures for black and mixed race people that you quoted are for the census of England and Wales combined, from the year 2001 and are eight and a half years out of date. Plus I personally don't think there is a caste system in UK soccer. If you are white and good enough you will make it, unlike the NFL where you have to be better than good enough, and prepared to play a proscribed position to get a chance.

 

[Europe]

Devans:


EVen if all the black and mxed race people live in England that would still be less than 4% of the population.Even with immigration recently there would be probably less than 5% of the population that is black or mixedin England and if you were born after 2000 you wouldn't even be playing yet..There should only be 1 player per 25 who is black and English,but it's much higher, at least 25% .Maybe I am wrong,but when I watch the games is sure seems like there are a lot of black players and I am not even including the one from France, AFrica and the Carribean. I saw a picture of the Man City team in "89 and there was one black player. Now of the 10English players on Man city, 6 are black. At aston villa ,8 or 9 of the 16 are black. I couldn't tell on one. At Tottenham ,7 out of 11 are black. Are black people that much better at football(soccer)? I didn't check all teams, some may not be as bad,but it is disproportianate.

 

[blue_mentos]

Yup. there is a definate trend towards a darker football in Europe. Everyone seems to be getting on that bandwagon.

 

[devans]

Devans:


EVen if all the black and mxed race people live in England that would still be less than 4% of the population.Even with immigration recently there would be probably less than 5% of the population that is black or mixedin England and if you were born after 2000 you wouldn't even be playing yet..There should only be 1 player per 25 who is black and English,but it's much higher, at least 25% .Maybe I am wrong,but when I watch the games is sure seems like there are a lot of black players and I am not even including the one from France, AFrica and the Carribean. I saw a picture of the Man City team in "89 and there was one black player. Now of the 10English players on Man city, 6 are black. At aston villa ,8 or 9 of the 16 are black. I couldn't tell on one. At Tottenham ,7 out of 11 are black. Are black people that much better at football(soccer)? I didn't check all teams, some may not be as bad,but it is disproportianate.

I take your point that black players are overrepresented to their proportion in society. But as you say official figures allow about 5% black or part black. This dosn't mean that the remaining 95% are white english. England has immigrant populations fromall over the world.Also the clubs you mention play in either London or Birmingham - the two cities with the largest black populations. Also as other posters have mentioned the soccer academies are located in inner city areas which have larger black populations. Also white kinds tend to play more racquet sports and other things like swim, skate ski surf etcetc. But having said all that a lot of black youngsetrs are very athletic and socecer is an athletic pursuit - so they may have a slight advantage, in terms of speed, that helps them gain places in junoir teams and academies. It is very difficult for an English player (black or white) to break into a premier league team because on average I would guess there are about 2 per team (starters) I stand by my statement that white soccer players are not discriminated against in England.

 

[Europe]

Re; Devans; Maybe there is no discrimination,but then that doesn't make the white players look good. England alone has a 90% white population in 2006 Let' say 80% could qualify for England if you took away the people from the continent and non English Brits. I don't believe most kids would rather swim than play soccer. Some play soccer and cricket or Rugby.Almost every league team has an academy or centre of excellence which would cover most of the population of England. I don't think it favors London or Birmingham. Birmingham is only 10% black or mixed.I don't think there are so many more black players because whites are not interested in soccer. Whites still go to games in large numbers. It seems like you aresaying that either blacks are much better athletes than whites or whites don't play the sport anymore in large numbers.


I think you are off on the Englishstarters per team. Maybe it's correct for Liverpool and Arsenal, Buit others have more. i have included players thatI thinkstart always or sometimes.


Chelsea 4 plus Bridge Everton 5-6 Sunderland 4 Portsmouth 5


man United 6-7 newcaste 5-6 blackburn 3-4 Bolton 5 or 6


Aston villa--7-8 Hull 3-4 Wigan 4 Tottenham 7 or more Man city 4-6


fulham 4 west ham 6-8 West brom 3 stoke 5-6 middlesbrough 4


There are also the Welsh, Scot and NI that are not included.

 

[devans]

Arsenal regularly (or nearly always) play zero English players.


The idea of Man utd playing seven English players is ludicrous. What wouldRonaldo, Tevez, Van der Saar, Giggs, Nani, Anderson, Evra, Park, Vidic, O'Shea, Berbatov, be doing while this is going on? Which four of these do you think would be playing and which seven not.?


As for 5 to 6 English players starting for Everton! Yobo, Saha, Pienaar, Arteta, Yakubu, Anichebe, Nuno Valente, Cahill, Howard, Fellaini are 11 key players for them. There may beroon for twoor three English players to get games at the most. I would say Lescott, Neville Hibbert and Jagielka are most likely to get games. I could go through your other guesses one by one but I don't have the time and know they are wildly innacurate. I think you have based your guesswork on the Premier league of 1985

 

[Europe]

Man United started 6 Englishin the Champions League final is 2008, the biggest game. Chelsea 4 in that game. Everton started 4 in their most recent start and 5 the one before that. Middlesbrough started 6 against Everton and also had 2 English subs.Wigan started 4 the most recent game and heskey didn't play. In a recent game between Aston V and Middlesbrough, they started 8 and 6 Englishrespectively. Of the 18 players available to play for Aston that game, 12 were english. This was right on the BBC website. A recent Man city --tottenham game-4 and 6 starters. Fulham vs Tottenham - 5 and 6 respectively. Plus a Welsh and NI for Fulham. These are some examples why I don't think it's as bad as you think. I am sure it's not as many as the 80's or even 90's. And Anichebe of Everton could have played for England, but chose Nigeria. If you look at my numbers above,some teams only have 3 or 4 starters listed. I am just saying that there are many more than 20 English regular starters in the league. As I said in the above post you are correct on Liverpool and Arsenal. I also said these players didn't start every game.

 

[devans]

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Man Utd team v Aston Villa - TODAY 22^nd November</span>

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O'Shea, </span><st1:country-region><st1lace>Ireland</span></st1lace></st1:country-region></span>

Ferdinand, England</span>

Vidic, Serbia</span>

Evra, France</span>

<st1lace><st1:city>Ronaldo</span></st1:city>, </span><st1:country-region>Portugal</span></st1:country-region></st1lace></span>

<st1lace><st1:city>Park</span></st1:city>, </span><st1:country-region>Korea</span></st1:country-region></st1lace></span>

<st1lace><st1:city>Carrick</span></st1:city>, </span><st1:country-region>England</span></st1:country-region></st1lace></span>

Giggs, </span><st1:country-region><st1lace>Wales</span></st1lace></st1:country-region></span>

<st1lace><st1:city>Rooney</span></st1:city>, </span><st1:country-region>England</span></st1:country-region></st1lace></span>

<st1lace><st1:city>Tevez</span></st1:city>, </span><st1:country-region>Argentina</span></st1:country-region></st1lace>
<st1lace><st1:country-region></span></st1:country-region></st1lace><st1lace><st1:country-region>Total English players = 3</span></st1:country-region></st1lace>

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[Europe]

Wes Brown, Scholes and Hargreaves are injured. Everybody isn't going to start every game, but they started six in the final. There is rotation. Who is a starter: Berbatov or Tevez? One will play one game and one another. Giggs rarely starts now and O'shea rarelystarts. Brown is first choice right back when healthy.There are 6 English players that regularly get starts, plus Neville,who probably is a sub from now on. Berbatov didn't start on 11-22, but he is an integral part of the team. Big clubs like United have mostly International players on their team .In the 2006 WC, Premier League clubs had the most participants, so the squads are very deep.On top of that there are all the Irish, Welsh and Scottish internationals that were not in the WC , playing in England. I am just saying thereare more than 11 important players on a team and there are many more than 20 English players that start in the league or get regular playing time. Walcott according to Wenger is an important Arsenal player, but he doesn't start always.However, I still think there are too many foreigners in the league and there should be restrictions. Many of the English players in the Championship today would have been in the top division in the 80's and 90's. So, yes,English participation in the top division is much less than it was, but not as bad as it seems.