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    Former New Orleans Saints quarterback Aaron Brooks has arm, will travel
    Posted by Nakia Hogan, The Times-Picayune July 22, 2008 9:36PM
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    Aaron Brooks is one of several former black NFL quarterbacks who are having trouble finding work in a league that needs quarterbacks

    Aaron Brooks keeps a low profile these days.

    He spends his mornings working out, fine-tuning his physique, perfecting his three- and five-step drops, sharpening his rifle-like right arm.

    He's aware it might be all for naught.

    Since being released by the Oakland Raiders after the 2006 season, the former Saints quarterback who led the team to its first playoff win has seemingly fallen off the NFL's radar screen.

    As NFL teams open training camps this week, Brooks remains near his hometown of Newport News, Va., awaiting a call that might not come.

    "I've been working out and waiting in anticipation, " said Brooks, who spent last year out of football. "I'm kind of shocked and surprised I'm not on a team. But I've been patient all my life, so I'll just continue to do so."

    That Brooks and other prominent black quarterbacks with NFL starting experience -- Daunte Culpepper, Byron Leftwich and Quinn Gray -- remain free agents with the start of the season about a month and a half away is perplexing to some observers.

    In a league that puts a premium on quarterback play, several NFL teams appear resigned to head into the season with major question marks at the starting quarterback position or with little stability at the backup spot.

    Meanwhile, Culpepper, Leftwich, Gray and Brooks wait as journeyman quarterbacks bounce from team to team, leaving some to wonder if it has become a race issue or if some quarterbacks may have been blackballed.

    "Blackballed might be too strong a word, " said ESPN analyst Shaun King, a former Tulane and NFL quarterback. "But if you really are objective, the facts point to it must be something. It's outside of normal when you look at the way that some of the quarterbacks are recycled. If you look at the rosters right now -- and I don't want to call specific guys' names, but if you look at the rosters in the National Football League and then you ask yourself based on accomplishment alone -- how is an Aaron Brooks or a Daunte Culpepper or a Byron Leftwich or a Shaun King, for that matter, not somewhere?"

    Finding answers

    For Culpepper and Leftwich, their absence from NFL rosters could be as simple as economics.

    Culpepper, a first-round draft pick of the Minnesota Vikings in 1999, was considered one of the league's top quarterbacks before injuring a knee in 2005. After he was traded to the Miami Dolphins in 2006, the three-time Pro Bowl selection was released after one injury-plagued season. He played in seven games with the Raiders last season before being released.

    Culpepper likely has the best chance of returning to a starting role this season. To do so, though, he likely will have to swallow his pride and play for the league minimum, according to an NFL scout.

    It also might take accepting a backup role and waiting for a chance from the sideline, something Culpepper hasn't appeared willing to accept.

    Last month, the Green Bay Press-Gazette reported the Packers met with Culpepper and offered him a one-year, $1 million contract to back up starter Aaron Rodgers. Culpepper rejected the offer.

    "They wanted (Culpepper) to come in as a veteran backup, " NFL scout Chris Landry said. "And who knows what happens; you are guaranteed nothing in this league. But he wanted starting money and a starting opportunity. So he is a little bit responsible for (not being in the NFL)."

    Leftwich, the seventh overall pick in the 2003 draft by the Jacksonville Jaguars, is likely in a similar situation. After replacing an injured Mark Brunell in his rookie season, Leftwich was emerging as one of the league's top quarterbacks.

    A spate of injuries, though, set his career back, and he was released before the start of last season. Leftwich played last year with the Atlanta Falcons before again being released.

    "Leftwich to a lesser degree is in the same boat (with Culpepper), " Landry said. "I think they see themselves as high picks and as starters. I don't doubt that in certain situations they are capable of starting. But teams right now, because of (Culpepper and Leftwich's) injury history, or lack of production recently due to the injury, are not willing to give starter money. They are interested in maybe giving them an incentive-laden deal, where if you come in and win the job, then you've got starter money.

    "I think those two guys could find work tomorrow if they wanted. I would be surprised if either is not playing with somebody this year."

    Brooks, another story

    When Landry is evaluating quarterbacks, he doesn't put Brooks in the same class as Leftwich and Culpepper.

    Landry said some teams might shy away from Brooks because of the quarterback's perceived lack of leadership qualities. Still, Landry admitted it is a bit surprising that Brooks can't find his way into a league that has nearly 100 active quarterbacks during the regular season.

    Despite Brooks' shortcomings, he is a proven talent, a player with a strong arm and some elusiveness, a player who has displayed the ability to rally teams in the closing minutes of games.

    "I don't have him rated as high, " Landry said. "I don't think that he is regarded as high. I don't think Aaron is as mature as a leader as people would like. Although I think there is a spot for him, possibly, the interest for him is not as strong simply because his maturity and leadership skills are not ideally suited for what people want as their starting quarterback in the league.

    "In the right spot, as a backup, heck, he's a guy that's started enough in this league -- I think he can be a solid No. 2."

    At the moment, though, there are few takers.

    After being released by the Raiders, Brooks said he took physicals for four teams last season, including the Packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

    There also have been a few calls this offseason. Though Brooks declined to reveal which teams have inquired about his availability, he said several teams have placed him on a "waiting list."

    "I definitely want to play, " said Brooks, who added that he's 100 percent healed after surgery in November to repair a torn pectoral muscle. "But I don't put all my focus into (football). I make sure I'm prepared to go in and do what needs to be done. But I can't force anybody to sign me."

    Perhaps the biggest reason Brooks remains unemployed, while other quarterbacks with far fewer accomplishments such as Houston's Sage Rosenfels or Miami's Josh McCown have jobs, is Brooks' outspokenness.

    Brooks was critical of Saints owner Tom Benson and the NFL for how they handled the team in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, even calling out both parties during an interview with CBS.

    He's not certain that's why he no longer has a place in the NFL, but he certainly would hope the league has a place for a quarterback at his prime age of 32 with 90 starts and 123 career touchdown passes.

    "I'd hate to say that, but it's very possible, " Brooks said. "Any athlete of color that has been outspoken in professional sports has been (ostracized). People don't take too kindly to that. It's almost like politics and sports. But it's really not politics, it's just the reality of what goes on."

    The next step

    If he never gets another chance to play professional football, Brooks is not bitter. He has enjoyed a fine life, one that has taken him from the poverty-stricken streets of Newport News to living in upscale neighborhoods and cashing big checks.

    When Brooks talks, he almost sounds content.

    He is proud of his work on the football field and in the community, where his Aaron Brooks Family Foundation has pushed for literacy and raised money for books in the inner city.

    "Hopefully I get that call, but I won't let this situation control who I am, " he said. "Football doesn't define me. It is just a part of my life."

    The other part of Brooks' life involves time as a developer in Virginia. He said there are plans in store for him and some partners to redevelop part of downtown Newport News, a city that shares many of the same social problems that plague New Orleans.

    Meanwhile, others will continue to ask why several of the NFL's one-time most promising black signal-callers can't land a job, and other less experienced and seemingly less skilled players have managed to stay on rosters.

    "You try to not look at it in that manner, but it is what it is being that we are very few in that position, " Brooks said. "To be in this situation where you are not getting picked up is kind of overwhelming. And you have quarterbacks of non-color who haven't played a down in the league to be around for so long."

    If the trend continues, the players said they might think about bringing up the issue with the NFL Players Association.

    "I'm looking around -- and I'm not the smartest guy -- but I see the common trend as it pertains to the guys who are getting the opportunity and the guys who aren't, " King said. "It's becoming more and more prevalent, but at some point, someone in the position of power is going to have to stand up and say something. . . . It's baffling. I don't understand it.

    "The bottom line is, can they play? You look at some guys around the league: . . . Bruce Gradkowski gets cut from the Bucs and gets a job the next day. There are a lot of guys around here that keep getting recycled, your Brian Grieses. And I say that from a standpoint if you look at their recent results, they are no different from an Aaron Brooks or anyone like that."


    [​IMG] when will we have a similar article about white receivers or runningbacks i wonder? who will stand up for them and even go to NFLPA?
     
  2. celticdb15

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    Wow just when i was starting to forget about these overhyped bums, they pop up again.. Obviously the NFL picks the best players for the job, talent level and all![​IMG]
     
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    Sounds like the "not enough black centers" thing from a few years ago. And then magically, a few black centers not only started, but went to the Pro Bowl.
     
  4. Tom Iron

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    It's hard to believe these poor guys have no idea of how the world really works. They're like babes in the wilderness. I wonder who their "advisers." are. It's hard to believe there are such stupid people walking around.

    If whining was an olympic event, who could hope to compete with these bums? We'd just send them over to China and they'd be presented with the gold medal for whining. I could just see them standing there so proud, with their medals around their necks, while the national anthem was being played

    Tom Iron...
     
  5. whiteathlete33

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    There needs to be a article about lack of white wr, cb, and running backs in the league. Ohh wait, that would be racist.
     
  6. sport historian

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    This is probably the favorite hobby horse of sportswriters. I have seen this type of article for over 40 years.
     
  7. backrow

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    don't you just LOVE the way a complete scrub who only managed games for Tampa when they had a superior defense and good running game, Shaun King, drops his name in there... he is EVEN worse than the rest of those washouts.
     
  8. Bart

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    He thinks he was better than he was.



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    The reason Leftwich and Culpepper are out of the league is their choice! They have egos that are wayy too big for their talent level. The reason so many "journeyman" whites play is because they are grateful for the chance to play anywhere instead of thinking of themselves as stars they go out and compete for a job.
     
  10. Don Wassall

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    Yep, and Aaron Brooks was a big-time choker and terrible "leader." I would take someone like Charlie Batch over any of these guys. Batch is right where he should be, a valuable backup to one of the league's best quarterbacks who can do a good job if needed, sort of a black version of Gus Frerotte.


    Leftwich and Culpepper got far more opportunity to prove themselves than many white QBs, and were found lacking. To put an anti-blackconspiracy theory spin on it when the NFL is ferociously pro-black is way beyond silly.Edited by: Don Wassall
     
  11. whiteathlete33

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    This whole big black quarterback thing started I believe in 98 when Akili Smith, Culpepper, and Mcnabb where drafted the same year. I remember watching the draft that year and all I heard was about how 3 black quarterbacks are getting drafted in the first round. The media kept talking about it over and over. We all know how Smith turned out. Mcnabb and Culpepper had some success but they aren't the stars the media makes them out to be. With all the white talent out there at quarterback and whites outnumbering blacks in this country at a 5 to 1 ratio you would never think 3 black quarterbacks could be drafted in the first round. However it happened. The opposite of having 3 white wr's drafted in the first round would never happen.Hell we can't even get 3 white rb drafted in the whole draft.
     
  12. Deus Vult

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    It would take a Nakia Hogan of the Times-Picayune to claim that "Leftwich was emerging as one of the league's top quarterbacks..."

    At least Shaun King admits: "I'm not the smartest guy."
     
  13. white is right

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    Why is Shaun King within the area code of an NFL team? He might have cost Tampa a trip to the Super Bowl under Dungy. I swear his goofy delivery that was slow and deliberate and way wide of the mark, might have been the worst throwing motion since Minnesota's new star of the future hit the league..... [​IMG] As for Culpepper needs his wheels to roll out and isn't a true pocket passer. He is probably toast. Sugar Bear proved nothing, beyond the fact that not all black athletes can break 4.5 in the 40 yard dash..... [​IMG]
     
  14. bigunreal

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    While Jason Campbell cannot be challenged by the backup (Todd Collins) who turned the Redskins around last season and led them to the playoffs, and Vince Young will be given at least a decade to show exactly how "special" he really is, look at what's going on with Alex Smith.

    The 49ers have, unbelievably enough, opened up the QB competition between Smith, Shaun Hill and career 3rd stringer J.T. O'Sullivan. Smith has played a few seasons with an awful team, with a horrible receiving corps (Arnaz Battle and co.), and a less than stellar offensive line. Can you imagine a black QB, in his 4th year, being asked to compete with the likes of mediocre journeymen like Hill and O'Sullivan? Actually, imagine a Vince Young being allowed competition from anyone.

    I guess the jock-sniffers at ESPN can't wait to add another white name to their list of first-round "busts."
     
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    "I guess the jock-sniffers at ESPN can't wait to add another white name to their list of first-round "busts.""

    Ahh yes, I can see those ESPN piggies foaming at the mouth, waiting to insult a truely nice young man like Alex Smith. Sure, he hasnt proven his draft position since leaving Utah...but what QB would in that terrible franchise?

    Ryan Leaf (aka Hilter/Satan/Judas) had better watch out, because Smith might just take over as the latest "evil white QB draft bust." All while complete flops like Courtney Brown are simply never mentioned....wonder what makes him any different than Smith or Leaf?Edited by: Thrashen
     
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    I know he doesn't have a lot of defenders, but I think Kyle Boller has been screwed over pretty good. Brian Billick was a quarterback killer, continually going after nice, suburban white kids for QB, then surrounding them with an all-black team led by Ray Lewis &amp; friends. Billick never hada clue when it came to putting his quarterbacks in a situation where they could thrive. From his first day as a rookieBoller was jerked around and kept on a short leash. When he started the last part of the 2005 season Boller was among the most effective QBs in the league, but next season it was back to the bench again when washed-up Steve McNair, "America's Greatest Living Leader," signed with the Ravens and Bolleragain was reviled and hated on by the drunk white fans in Baltimore and everywhere else as a colossal bust.


    Now Boller is supposedly being beaten out by little Troy Smith, who was projected as a third-string quarterback in the NFL, until the way is paved for Joe Flacco to take over. Or maybe Smith will win and keep the starting job over Flacco. Nothing Ozzie Newsome and the Baltimore organization does surprises me.
     
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    I have always thought Boller was screwed and his numbers are not that bad when taken in context with the team around him. I am amazed to hear that Smith may beat him out because he is the better athlete. Says who, Boller was drafted because of his superior athleticism at the QB position. He runs a 4.5 which is at least a tenth faster than Smith and I guarantee you his arm is sronger. Kyle will hopefully catch on somewhere else and get this "Billick" monkey off his back.
     
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    I agree that Kyle Boller has been totally screwed by the Ravens. They drafted this very talented kid, but have never committed to him. Whenever his name comes up on a fantasy forum, the word "sucks" is invariably thrown out. I've always been impressed with Boller's athletic skills, but the jock-sniffers and drunk white fans will always prefer the more "affletic" Troy Smith. Boller is superior to Smith in every way but one, and there's nothing he can do about that. All the fantasy sites have been breathlessly reporting how "impressive" Smith has looked in camp, while literally lobbying for him to be the starter.
     
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    This year it is looking as if their will be only 6 starting black quarterbacks with 3 of those starters on a short leash. Vince Young, Donovan Mcnabb, David Garrard, Tavaris Jackson, Jamarcus Russell, Jason Campbell. The 3 on short leashes have to be Tavaris, Jamarcus and Jason as they will be pulled if they don't play well from the get go. Especially Jamarcus and Tavaris how they got to be starters is beyond me. That's it folks 6 with the rest being whites who are firmly established as the starters of their teams.
     
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    Russell was the number one overall pick in the draft last year and his leash is about three seasons long, minimum. Campbell is firmly entrenched for this season. Jackson is the only one in danger of losing his starting job this year, and only if he plays terribly on what is considered a playoff team.


    Troy Smith has about a 50-50 chance of starting for the Ravens until Flacco is considered ready.
     
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    I know Colonel Jamarcus will suck and get pulled they'll say he's not ready. Tavaris will be the reason the Vikings aren't winning and get replaced by Gus Ferotte. Let us bot forget The Redskins only made the playoffs after Todd Collins became the starter. However I see your point, but the bottom line is winning if you team is not winning them changes will be made especially at Quarterback. These are just my Humble opinions, but I beleive their is alot of truth in what I say.
     
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    Jamarcus will be a lot better than Vince Young. So he will have at least the same amount of season as Captain Young.
     
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    I beg to differ he is slow and can't run therefore negating his strong arm.
     
  25. Matt_Bowen_Fan

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    Campbell and Collins are only with the Redskins until Brennan is ready to start two or three seasons from now, IMO. I don't think Zorn will try and run his offense with any more black QBs after that.
     

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