Super Bowl LI

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  1. Don Wassall

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    Great playoffs thread, let's get this one started.

    The Falcons have been under the radar all season and remain so, which worries me. But I think New England will rise to the occasion and win. Would be especially nice to see the Patriots put an exclamation point on this season, which started with the vindictive four-game suspension of Tom Brady, and win big. But if they win by 1 point or 40 points, only the most die-hard Patriots haters will continue to deny that this is the greatest long-term dynasty in NFL history, 16 seasons and counting.
     
  2. Leonardfan

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    A few days ago I saw a poll where only 27% of fans wanted the Pats to win.
     
  3. Lew

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    I wasn't really aware at the time so I didn't notice anything but how White were the early 2000s Patriots ? I can't recall any good white skill position player before Welker
     
  4. PHillisFan

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    I think the Patriots win. Brady is on a mission to make his mark as GOAT(Tied at 4 rings with Montana & Bradshaw) and to rub the trophy in Goodell's face. Goodell thought he could stop Brady and the Patriots by suspending him for 4 games. Bad move.
     
  5. Thrashen

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    I was around 16 years old when Brady/Belichick won their first Superbowl. I was "counting" white players back then, but didn't become aware of the Caste System until a few years later.

    Anyway, during their first Superbowl year (2001-2002), their offense generally consisted of Brady, 3 whites on the OL (Light, Compton, Andruzzi), and FB Marc Edwards. Defensively, it was usually Vrabel, Bruschi, and Ted Johnson also rotated in. Their starting RB's (Smith, Faulk, Redmond), WR's (Patten, Brown) and TE's (Wiggins, Rutledge) were all black. Vrabel was sometimes used as a TE and even scored a TD in the Superbowl (1:42 mark in this video)...



    As the seasons passed in the pre-Welker era (2001-2007), the OL became 100% white and the first white WR to receive meaningful touches was aging speedster, Tim Dwight, who had a nice season in 2005. The TE position was always coal black (Jermaine Wiggins, Ben Watson, Daniel Graham), with part-Polynesian Christian Fauria mixed in. None of them were prominent pass-catchers. Before Gronk, talented white TE's like David Thomas and Garrett Mills served infinite "racial apprenticeships." RB Kyle Eckel was tortured, too.

    As we all know, when Wes arrived in 2007, their entire offensive philosophy changed. The uncoverable "Patriot Missile" became an instant superstar and had every NFL team looking for the "next Welker." The OL remained lily-white, Edelman was drafted as a "slash" player two years later, and they drafted countless Negro busts on defense. Woodhead and Gronkowski were added in 2010 and the offense frequently started 9-10 whites. There was a span of several seasons when the Pats didn't have a single non-white offensive lineman.

    Since 2010, other white WR's were added (Jeremy Ebert, Austin Collie, Danny Amendola, Chris Hogan) as their OL became slightly darker (Brian Waters, Marcus Cannon) and their defense added a few whites (Steve Gregory, Trevor Scott, Nate Ebner, Dane Fletcher, Chris White), but only Gregory was a full-time starter.

    For this year's Superbowl, they should start 6-8 whites on offense (Brady, Edelman, Hogan, Solder, Andrews, Thuney, and possibly Develin and Amendola) and 2 whites on defense (Ninkovich and McClellin). Their current starting lineup would look much better had RT Sebastian Vollmer and TE Rob Gronkowski not landed on IR.
     
  6. Ambrose

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    Likely most motivating reason. He's already the GOAT.
     
  7. Extra Point

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    I'm picking Atlanta. Their offense is too powerful.

    I also picked Green Bay...
     
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    This superbowl is all about Tom Brady proving with out a doubt he is the greatest qb in the history of the game!

    Super Bowl Night is going to be epic!
     
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    As long as it's a great shootout between Ryan and Brady, Edelman, and Hogan, I don't mind who wins.

    Would be fitting for Ryan to win Atlanta their first super bowl the same week that the most overrated QB of all time in Vick retires though!
     
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    Vick was not a bust. He had some successful years, no doubt. I think the all time bust was Jadufus Russell. The moron management gave him around a 60 million guaranteed contract. Last I heard he was in Chapter 8 and got busted for "purple drank." You can not make this up.
     
  11. Carolina Speed

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    New England also breaks a four way tie for most Super Bowl appearances, (9), with Dallas (8), Denver (8), and Pittsburgh (8). New England is 4-4, Pittsburgh is 6-2, Dallas is 5-3, and Denver is 3-5 in the win-loss records.
     
  12. celticdb15

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    Go Pats! 1 day away from a Patriots victory with President Trump in office! #Winning
     
  13. wile

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    I'll probably have it on in the background, my prediction for NE to prevail simply because they have a healthy receiver corps that is three deep at least versus the Packers that think they have a two deep but in reality haven't gotten there yet.

    And I want that Gag woman to make a total ass of herself.
     
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    Matty Ice named 2016 MVP and deservedly so. Congrats.
     
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    Yes the GOAT to many of us, but the collective of the media will not say it until he gets more rings than Joe.
     
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    Although the Pats have the edge in Superbowl experience and have been fantastic this season (they were 14-2 without Gronkowski, their best player), I'm very concerned they'll lose this game. Atlanta has numerous talented offensive players. Aside from the WR's corps (Jones, Sanu, Gabriel), their RBs (Freeman, Coleman, and even FB DiMarco) are great receivers out the backfield, something the Pats have always struggled against. Hooper is a faster version of Steelers TE, Jesse James, who abused NE with ease 2 weeks ago.

    Defensive guru, Dan Quinn, has modeled this unit after his Seattle squad. Beasley, Reed, and Freeney can rush the QB, the traditional way to defeat a Brady/McDaniels offense. Dion Jones is a fast LB that has made several "flashy" plays this season and looks to be a player in the mold of Bobby Wagner. All of their DBs can play, especially the safety, Neal.

    Couple a quality adversary with the pressure of the Pats being the most detested team in NFL history (a foul combination of their perennial success, jealously of Brady, an aversion to Belichick's attitude towards outsiders, alleged incidents of "cheating," and their noticable fairness to white athletes) with the fact that the President Trump is openly supporting the squad...and it'll be a great victory for the caste system and their hopelessly-indoctrinated DWF minions should they fall.

    Should they win, it'll surely erase any doubt that the stoic coach and the QB he selected 199th overall in the 2000 draft are indeed the greatest in the history of professional football. Naturally, I'll be hoping for Edelman, Hogan, and Amedola (a rushing TD from Develin would be nice!) to shine the brightest. It'd be particularly damaging to the caste system to see Hogan display his electrifying speed on a long TD or two. I wish them all the best tonight!

    I remember watching Superbowl 36 as a teenager. Hard to fathom that 15 years later, Brady/Belichick would be here with a chance to do again...

     
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    Well, I, like some others here, am hoping for a Patriots victory. It would be a great slap in the face to the anti-whites in the NFL.

    The defensive coordinator for the Patriots, Matt Patricia, has done a great job. He deserved to get a head coaching job over any AA hire as head coach.
     
  18. Leonardfan

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    For all the talk of Atlanta's defense they are not as dominant as the media makes them out to be. One reason to root against them is their screwing over of Paul Worrilow their tackling machine MLB. I do think that they will have an issue with the Patriots WR corp and wouldn't be surprised to see Amendola become a focal point as they go after Edelman and Hogan. I think Bellichek and Patricia will game plan for the Falcons offense accordingly. Go Pats!! But if the Falcons win I cant help but be happy for Matty Ice.
     
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    I think New England wins, and I won't be at all surprised if it isn't that close. The better defense almost always beats the better offense. New England has the better defense, and their offense is almost as good as Atlanta's. They have all the experience in this situation, and we don't know if the Falcons and all dat talent will fold under the pressure like soopa-affletes often do. Plus Brady has the added motivation to be focused so he can stick it to the f-wad Goodell.

    With all those factors, if I was a betting man I would take the Patriots.
     
  20. Carolina Speed

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    Top 5 QB's IMHO.
    1.Tom Brady
    2.Joe Montana
    3.Roger Staubach
    4.John Elway
    5.Troy Aikman
    5.A Terry Bradshaw
     
  21. Don Wassall

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    I hope you're right, but I'm not so confident. Atlanta crushed Seattle (a team that beat the Pats, in Foxboro, during the regular season) in the Divisional round and thoroughly obliterated the hottest team in the NFC at the time, the Packers, in the Conferance title game.

    The Pats are favored by 3, but the betting "favorite" has lost 5 straight SB's.

    Edelman has looked really good down the stretch, notching 3 straight 100-yard games dating back to the regular season finale and 10 straight games with at least 70 yards. Hopefully, #11 can duplicate his SB 49 performance...
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  23. Thrashen

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    Wow, that was the complete inverse of "comedy." Maybe the we'll receive yet another gift this year and this criminally-hideous, obnoxious, smarmy little tribesman will be served another crow carcass...as he did when he erupted with laughter after Ann Coulter suggested (before the primaries) that Trump would win the election...

     
  24. woody39

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    I think that patriots will win they are the better team and have the better coach. Yes the Ryan Jones combo are fantastic and Beaseley on defense is playing great but Brady has been so good can't see him not carrying the pats to victory. Watch awesome jules have 100 yard game and a TD.
     
  25. Leonardfan

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    My top 5:

    1. Tom Brady
    2. Joe Montana
    3. Peyton Manning
    4. Dan Marino
    5. John Elway
     

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