Steroids and Black Athletes

Discussion in 'Track & Field' started by StarWars, Mar 26, 2009.

  1. Awake in America

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    It's downright hilarious at times. DWFs are willing to argue that Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is all natural (he is freaking HUGE now), that the idiot on the Old Spice commercials is all natural, that Kali Muscle is all natural. Even the ones who will give on football players and bodybuilders will want to fight over basketball players and sprinters. These are the same people who said baseball players weren't juiced because "you can either hit the ball, or you can't". They will tell you that these athletes have "black genes" which allow this massive muscular growth that didn't exist anywhere on the planet before the advent of Dianabol. DWFs are just a special kind of stupid.
     
  2. white is right

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    Team USA was stripped of their silver in the 4*100 relay from the London Olympics in 2012, because Tyson Gay admitted he was taking a tainted "supplement" from July of 2012. In the past teams that placed lower than the disqualified team have been bumped up one spot. So that means France with Lemaitre should be bronze medalists. Vive le France...http://abc7news.com/sports/ioc-stri...-in-tyson-gay-doping-case-report-says/720309/
     
  3. white is right

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    OMG!!! Justin Gatlin opened the season with a 9.73 in Doha(UAE). This is the second fastest opener in history, from a guy who is 33 years old and sat on his ass for 4 years due to a doping positive. You have to wonder what PED cycle he is on because what he is doing defying logic....:scared:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Czt4KKChQ
     
  4. albinosprint

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    9.73 opener, really? Nope, nothing abnormal there. Come on! What is that guy putting into his body!
     
  5. white lightning

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    JUST JUICED JUSTIN.


    Nothing to see here. Move right along. Lol.
     
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    Even the announcer (former middle-distance recordman Steve Cram) basically stated Gatlin had to be doped to his eyeballs. Gatlin is slightly more buffed, that was obvious before the race. US officials (never mind the IAAF and WADA and their politically correct handling of African offenders) basically look the other way with blacks when it comes to drugs, unless there is absolutely no way to cover for one of them. You would think there is some kind of agenda ... :icon_mrgreen:
     
  7. elispeedster

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    LOL! Bolt is more believable, at least he dosen't run crazy times in the early season and slowly builds up them....Gatlin is too much, he is probably on HGH, which is less detectable when cycled carefully. I think Gatlin skipped the indoor season this year, for good reason
     
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  9. white is right

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    Gatlin's coach has been caught trying to procure PED's to an undercover journalist, yet the oldest major championship male sprinter is "shocked" and is searching for a new coach. If Gatlin is clean this summer I expect him to run mortal looking 10.2X times or slower all season....http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/42409433
     
  10. white is right

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    Considering he doesn't look like Grimace from Mcdonalds his health problems are probably PED related. Externally Michael Johnson looks better than 99 percent of 50 year olds, yet he has suffered a stroke?https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/45461604
     
  11. wile

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    No way they could give Johnson a pass, that sprint which I caught live on TV was monsterous and then they interviewed a totally jaundiced eye man, not giving it to Lewis who frankly he should have won on style alone would have tainted track
     
  12. LucasBryant

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    I agree with all you said except he wasn’t sitting on his ass. They all train hard but no doubt he’s juiced again or as usual.
     
  13. white is right

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    Christian Coleman has missed 3 whereabouts tests and may be provisionally suspended by the IAAF, he claims he takes no supplements. If you look at him compared to obvious dopers like Blake, Bolt and Ben Johnson (back in the day), he isn't nearly as muscular as they are but his times have been insane(especially in the indoor events).

    Missing 3 tests is usually an automatic 2 year ban, I don't know how he can wriggle out of this predicament.......https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/0...ps-analyzing-the-christian-coleman-situation/
     
  14. white is right

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    A mixed bag here but Alberto Salazar was banned for 4 years for his doping of his athletes. It looks like everybody's favorite "plastic Brit" Mobot probably will skate from this stink as USADA were convinced that Salazar doped his athletes but nobody knew who he did it to (obviously Mobot would be the starting point). Whites are caught up in this mess too as Rupp and others were coached and probably doped by Salazar.

    I remember when Andy Turner called Mobot a "plastic Brit" because he ran away to the hills of East Africa to train(and probably dope) Farah tried to drown him in PC twitter outrage and he even tried to strike track side in the warm up area, it looks like Sir Mo was as guilty as Johnson and other cheats......https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/49882757
     
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    I have a strong feeling Sifan Hassan will get busted for doping especially after her insane feats of the last 2 months. Klausterhoffen will most likely get busted as well.
     
  16. white is right

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    Yes, she like the EPOpian men in the 5k final has an insane other gear, that is a tell tale sign of doping in long distance events. In the 5K final Ingerbrittsen and Ahmed were wobbly legged in the last lap, Ahmed kept his speed endurance better and rallied down the stretch to pass the Norwegian who was on vapors. The two EPOpians were blasting past everybody that wasn't propelled by a combustible engine.
     
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    Great news ...Coleman has lost his credibility ....
     
  19. white lightning

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    For everyone that they catch many more get away. I'm still glad to see Christian Coleman get busted and suspended for a few years. The myth of black athletic superiority not why people think it is. They are some of the biggest cheaters on earth
    in able to succeed at the highest levels by cheating. I could name so many olympic and world champions that I know were on the juice but got away with it. Anyways, glad to see another cheater get puninshed. It's so rare these days.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mo...for-two-years-after-missing-tests/ar-BB1arLNM
     
  20. Shadowlight

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    If someone were to ask me if blacks are superior athletes to whites in key particular areas I would answer "it appears so but I don't have an affirmative answer." The main reason I am a member of CF is my overwhelming desire to buck up against that theory. It is a pursuit of mine and reflects my burning desire that I hope the black superiority theory is wrong. That is why I am here.

    As far as I can tell Steve Sailer is the most consistent and persuasive proponent of the black athletic superiority model. Frustratingly he has the weapons to back up his claims. We may lament the fact there are no white cornerbacks in the NFL and lay out a multitude of unfair reasons why that is the case but it barely lays a glove on Sailer and other like minded black supremacist theorists. Certainly Sailer hasn't been persuaded to readjust his theory. The result is the greater population has in general accepted this type of thinking. It has long been part of the sports discussion landscape that blacks are in general faster, bouncier and more exciting athletes than whites. Sailer's ideas are basically part of mainstream thinking.

    My mad desire is to disprove those ideas and while difficult I continue my quest. Which puts me and many members here in the minority.

    Probably one of the biggest question marks regarding black superiority is the use of performance enhancing drugs. This area is still too murky and throws a fly into the ointment of the black superiority charge. In other words there is enough suspicion in the air that it makes me question if black superiority ideas are based on flawed models. Is drug usage skewing athletic achievements and are blacks overwhelmingly taking advantage of them thus giving them an artificial lift? As we see above cheating by black athletes has taken place. And in some cases it involves the highest profile media championed black athletes. Yet somehow these incidents have not changed the national narrative at all.

    Sailer has briefly discussed the usage of steroids but has quickly glossed over it as he continues to pound his drum. To me there is enough suspicion over the drug issue that prevents me from saying black athletes are definitely more athletic than their white counterparts. It is perhaps the greatest X Factor of all when one contemplates the black white athletic issue.
     
  21. white is right

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    The horrific play of the average cornerback in the NFL should convince all but the most of Caste gimps that no full time White corners is impossible, you just need to show that the 100 meters at the national level has more White sprinters than cornerbacks, even if it's a guy here and there.

    As for Coleman you can't be dodging testers for a year and half and not have something going on.

    It would be weirder than weird of the gray haired Gatlin pulled another rabbit out of the hat and "won" gold in Tokyo in 21' or weirder if the Olympics were delayed again until 22' and Coleman was eligible to compete and won gold.

    It reminds me of pro bodybuilding....
     
  22. TomIron361

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    I'll give my opinion on this. To me, I'm not impressed by black people's overall physical abilities. But I'm not talking about sports that much. I never really took part in any sports past my boyhood. But I have lived a very physical life combing work as a boy (always physical, even worked as a farm laborer once when I was 16, upstate NY - also had a job moving pianos) and when I graduated HS went into the USMC the home office of physical activity (if your in a combat platoon, you will extend yourself physically like never before or after in life). I hope none of you ever have to experience that. And then afterward, working at my trade as an Ironworker until retirement. But in all that time, I ran across very few blacks who could measure up physically to a White man. Especially if the physical activity included thought and not just raw motion. Any concept of combining thought, physical and emotional concepts together is beyond them. all they are, are thoughtless reflex. They understand that to some extent. That's why they're always cheating somehow, as in using steroids. They know they have to. I will give them their speed. They seem to be able to run fast. But if there's something else involved along with the speed, they will not be able to cope with it. This is from years of personal experience with them and observing them from different vantage points. I hope that's helpful.
     
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    This favoritism is very noticeable in boxing and mixed martial arts. Many blacks get a free pass for steroid use essentially, Yoel Romero despite going to Cuba to avoid USADA still managed to get busted, but when they get busted it's usually a slap on the wrist and of course K. Usman, Jones; Dillian Whyte also got busted twice but they ignored that to push a Povetkin doper narrative.

    As for Sailer, he probably promotes black athletic superiority or more broadly the idea of superior black masculinity in order to to not look "biased"/white supremacist and to cope with probable inadequacies of his own by projecting it on his own group, many HBDers (Rushton, Frost) do/did it for the same reason, and usually outright ignore contradictory evidence or hand-wave it away.
     
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    There are many white men that are athletic enough to play cornerback. There are also blacks with low end athleticism (Josh Norman and Levi Wallace) who are successful.

    Refusing to allow white men to play cornerback because of their race and then claiming that the fact that they aren't allowed to play cornerback because they aren't athletic enough is ridiculous. But that's what's being done.
     
  25. Shadowlight

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    Sailer's black athletic theories basically puts him in alliance with received wisdom that has pretty much been mainstream for decades now. While it isn't uttered on broadcasts as often as before the general agreement among the general populace is yes indeed blacks are "special " athletes. Most of that line of thinking has been left unsaid the past decade plus but there was a time in the 1990's the black supremacy theory was aired out and discussed in the public forum. Like Jon Entine's book.

    Sailer veers away from mainstream thought when he ventures into his detailed theories regarding black intelligence and criminality. Through rather extensive research Sailer comes to the conclusion that in general blacks are the least intelligent race. And by a rather large margin. He indicates Asians are the most intelligent. He also concludes that blacks appear to have a more innate and substantial propensity towards violent crime. Here again the discrepancy is very large. He is very clear on those issues and provides reams of evidence to support his theories.

    What is less clear is what he thinks society should do with blacks given their "inherent disadvantages?" But in the athletic arena he flips the script by claiming whites are the inferior lot.

    Sailer in general is seen as an outlier thinker and many in academia are upset with his black intelligence/criminality studies. They find him promoting white supremacy theories. Perhaps he is using his sports theories to compensate for this who knows?

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out that by pointing out a particular race is deficient in key human endeavors one will upset members of the race that is being castigated. In other words these type of ideas don't exactly lend itself to having a racially harmonious society. The notion that say blacks and whites should live apart seems far fetched and impossible in this day and age. So with all of these competing thoughts in the air a new day arrives. Don't look to me for answers. Ha.
     

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