Rugby World Cup 2011

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Unfortunately, Pacific Islanders and Maoris are grossly overrepresented in rugby at both provincial and international level. Just like blacks in soccer, the coconut connoisseurs are popping up in lineups all over the place, especially in New Zealand and here in Australia - but also in Europe.



Non-Whites (i.e. Islanders, Maoris and Abos - and, in the case of soccer, blacks, Turks and Arabs) are being funnelled into Australian sports at an alarming rate. The Wallabies World Cup squad makes me sick. How the hell am I supposed to support my nation's team if it contains the likes of the following? :yell:

Kurtley Beale: Abo
Anthony Fainga'a: Tongan, quarter-Abo
Saia Fainga'a: Tongan, quarter-Abo
Sekope Kepu: Tongan
Salesi Ma'afu: Tongan
Tatafu Polota-Nau: Tongan
Wycliff Palu: Tongan

Then there are these four, who weren't even born in Australia:

Quade Cooper: Maori mother (born in New Zealand)
Radike Samo: Fijian (born in Fiji)
Will Genia: Papua New Guinean (born in PNG)
Digby Ioane: Samoan (born in New Zealand)

My other favourite teams have always been (surprise, surprise :icon_wink:) Wales and England, but Wales also feature a Tongan (Toby Faletau) in addition to the black Aled Brew while the "English" squad is a right joke, complete with two blacks, a Maori, a Samoan and White lads born in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Kenya, and the United States.

Anyway, Scotland scraped past Georgia 15-6 in a match sans tries, while I was deucedly glad to see Canada dispose of Tonga 25-20, running in 3 tries to 2... :biggrin:

this is idiotic sport at it's best
why would a country that is , for me, the best in rugby, with SA, have even a single samoan-tongan-other islander in their team?
i can understand the japanese team or english team playing with australians or south africans, but these islands (tonga, samoa ect) are nothing in rugby!

i support a french team in my region:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_Bourgoin-Jallieu
i support it because i have relatives in the club
you can see this team produced great talent for the french national team
the most known, althought not formed in bourgoin, is sebastien chabal (not my favorite, but the most known)

yet, the club always buy pacific islanders, i don't even know why
it's frustrating
they are in every club now
 

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I enjoyed the Canada v Tonga match. The Canadians lacked the flair of the Tongans but they were solid defensively, pragmatic going forward - no fancy stuff - and they didn't keep making mistakes. I lost track of how many times the Tongans knocked it on when going forward.

What I think is a joke about this tournament is that the top countries (all professionals) get a week or so between matches but the Tier 2 countries like Canada (mostly amateurs) have to play two matches with 5 days. Talk about stacking the deck in favour of the major powers.
 

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Kurtley Beale: Abo
Anthony Fainga'a: Tongan, quarter-Abo
Saia Fainga'a: Tongan, quarter-Abo
Sekope Kepu: Tongan
Salesi Ma'afu: Tongan
Tatafu Polota-Nau: Tongan
Wycliff Palu: Tongan

Well Abo's in Australian team is logical (50 thousands years of being there..), Tongians in Australian team is geographically understandable, whites are one of the people who went to Australia few centuries ago, so multiple origins in Australian team isn't that bizarre
 

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I'm actually OK with the Maori/Pacific Islander presence on the Aussie/New Zealand teams, for the reasons bk21 mentions. New Zealand, for instance, is about 15% Maori, the original inhabitants, and while the make-up of the national team shows a slight over-representation (when strictly speaking in terms population percentages), the players on the squad do not appear to be affirmative action beneficiaries. This is the exact opposite of what we have here in the US, where Whites have been ethnically cleansed from football and basketball for the most part. As long as the teams maintain a comfortable White majority, this is a vast improvement over what we have here. What I wouldn't give for a 65% White NFL, or 60% White NBA. Also, your NFL equivalent, the AFL (Aussie Rules Football) is still very much a White dominated league, based on all the matches I've seen recently.

Going back to the tournament, Matra is right, the schedule is heavily biased for the top teams, and in some way, it makes sense. From a ratings perspective, they'll probably rather have the top 8 teams in the quarters, and that should make for an exciting finish leading up to the final. Speaking of the quarters, that's really what I'm waiting for now because there really aren't that many compelling pool play matches left.

There's NZ-FRA, ENG-SCO, AUS-IRE, and maybe SA-FIJI, but that's about it.
 

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I'm actually OK with the Maori/Pacific Islander presence on the Aussie/New Zealand teams, for the reasons bk21 mentions. New Zealand, for instance, is about 15% Maori, the original inhabitants, and while the make-up of the national team shows a slight over-representation (when strictly speaking in terms population percentages), the players on the squad do not appear to be affirmative action beneficiaries. This is the exact opposite of what we have here in the US, where Whites have been ethnically cleansed from football and basketball for the most part. As long as the teams maintain a comfortable White majority, this is a vast improvement over what we have here. What I wouldn't give for a 65% White NFL, or 60% White NBA. Also, your NFL equivalent, the AFL (Aussie Rules Football) is still very much a White dominated league, based on all the matches I've seen recently.

Going back to the tournament, Matra is right, the schedule is heavily biased for the top teams, and in some way, it makes sense. From a ratings perspective, they'll probably rather have the top 8 teams in the quarters, and that should make for an exciting finish leading up to the final. Speaking of the quarters, that's really what I'm waiting for now because there really aren't that many compelling pool play matches left.

There's NZ-FRA, ENG-SCO, AUS-IRE, and maybe SA-FIJI, but that's about it.

About NBA, it seems that most of the whites inside are not americans, mostly european, am I right?
As for the tournament, as long as there will be 5 nations by pool the schedule will be biased.. if more countries are interested in rugby in the future a 4 or 6 nations by pool will erase those inequalities.

as for the "good" matches left; in addition to those mentionned:the IRE-ITA match is very interesting as I suspect Italy winning over the irish team and finishing second behind Australia.
Argentina is a tough team, they finished 3rd last World Cup, beating France twice, ARG-Sco will be very interesting, and will determine who will finish 2nd (supposing that Eng beats Scotland)

my predicitions:
A: 1st NZE - 2nd FR
B: 1st ENG - 2nd ARG
C: 1st AUS - 2nd ITA
D: 1st SA - 2nd WAL (and Wales kicking out Australia in the quarter finals)

Go for your predictions guys
 

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Well Abo's in Australian team is logical (50 thousands years of being there..), Tongians in Australian team is geographically understandable, whites are one of the people who went to Australia few centuries ago, so multiple origins in Australian team isn't that bizarre

They've been here for 50,000 years? That's funny, as government-funded Aboriginal bull**** artists (sorry, "scholars") have always been fond of telling everyone that their, er, "people" have inhabited Australia for 40,000 years. Too bad that the Abos had failed to crawl out of the stone age during those 40 millennia - a fact which may have been a bonanza for 19th century anthropologists, but consitutes an everlasting boil on the arse of the modern taxpayer.

I just wonder how these deep-thinking Aboriginals came up with such a five-figure number all by themselves, given that their pre-European "invasion" numerical system consisted of "one" and "two" followed by a highly utilitarian "many", while their "languages" (all oral, of course, as writing is for White idiots) inexplicably failed to contain a word for "asymptote". Go figure, eh?

As for the proximity of Tonga to Australia, we are talking about something in the vicinity of 1800 nautical miles (or just over 3300 km) which is a greater distance than that which divides Dublin and Moscow - but the siren song of unemployment benefits and public housing is very powerful indeed. By the same token, I guess that it's perfectly "geographically understandable" for French sports teams to be filled with Arabs and Berbers, as Algeria is about four times closer to France than Tonga is to Australia...

With all due respect, mate, You have probably never encountered any of our delightful natives - but if You ever do, You shall doubtlessly be far less sanguine about tolerating the sight of them running around on Your television screen wearing Wallabies jumpers. Why don't I wish to see Abos? The answer would appear to be completely self-evident, especially in a forum of this nature, but allow me to make things nice and unambiguous. Such primitive, unwashed sub-humans aren't my people therefore i don't wish to see them degrading the colours of my country - the same applies to Maoris, Tongans, Samoans and all the other flat-nosed dregs of the Pacific...

foobar75 said:
I'm actually OK with the Maori/Pacific Islander presence on the Aussie/New Zealand teams, for the reasons bk21 mentions. New Zealand, for instance, is about 15% Maori, the original inhabitants, and while the make-up of the national team shows a slight over-representation (when strictly speaking in terms population percentages), the players on the squad do not appear to be affirmative action beneficiaries. This is the exact opposite of what we have here in the US, where Whites have been ethnically cleansed from football and basketball for the most part. As long as the teams maintain a comfortable White majority, this is a vast improvement over what we have here. What I wouldn't give for a 65% White NFL, or 60% White NBA. Also, your NFL equivalent, the AFL (Aussie Rules Football) is still very much a White dominated league, based on all the matches I've seen recently.

Mate, maybe You wouldn't be as keen if Your cities were overrun by numerous representatives of this startlingly unintelligent vermin, whose participation in street crime and gangs is even higher than their disproportionate presence in rugby teams (as is their prodigious level of unemployment). Conversely, one doesn't see too many of these tattooed halfwits around centres of tertiary education or in any roles outside that of club bouncer or unskilled labourer. Maoris and Islanders are completely enamoured with the black "gangsta" hip-hop and r'n'b "culture" often aping (pardon the language...) Your very own Negro porch-dwellers to the point of unwitting parody.

The key part of Your statement was "what I wouldn't give for a 65% White NFL, or 60% White NBA". Like French soccer fans, You American lads are - understandably - so sick of watching Your own black-saturated sports that anything else appears lily White by comparison.

If You have been reading the stats I post in the soccer section, You shall be aware that the English Premier League is about 60% White - which makes it nigh on unwatchable. A 60 - 65% White target may appear almost messianically alluring to the racially aware American fan but, to me and other racially aware Australians and Europeans, such proportions constitute a full-blown disaster...
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I'd just like to conclude with a few words about the All Blacks (who have just massacred Japan, complete with their White and non-White imports, to the tune of 83 - 7). From the very first time that I saw them perform the haka as a little kid, I was always mystified how White men could lower themselves to participate in such a ridiculaous spectacle, tongues hanging out of their mouths, eyes bugging out and knees bent as if they are trying to crap out a fist-sized ball of barbed wire. The only thing missing from this Maori garbage is a steamily bubbling cannibal cook pot in the background, complete with a protruding limb or two. Being Australian, it made me hate the All Blacks even more... :biggrin:

As for the numbers and role of Aboriginals in the AFL, have a quick squiz at the following link:

http://www.afl.com.au/indigenous community/tabid/14282/default.aspx
 

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How can the irish play this well against Australia? they were very bad and uninspired against the USA, were beaten 3 times in preparation for the World Cup (twice by France, not that good of a team), they were beaten 20 times in a row by Australia before today's match! Irish Enigma indeed..
 

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Australia's scrum was rather woeful, as were our lineouts.

Tongan (sorry, Australian) hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau's lineout throws were a joke. The Irish simply played a much better game...
 

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well, it is bull**** but they are entitled to do so. happens in every sport.
 

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actually it is a false trial against french team, the main reproach made to Lievremont is the titularisation of Parra at 10 (for the first time) in replacement of Trinh Duc, but TD did not play well the first two matches and Parra is very talented and creative at 9, so it's a gamble Lievremont is making, but he certainly isn't giving the match to NZ; at least the player selected to play will be eager to demonstrate they are not a second zone team
 

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actually it is a false trial against french team, the main reproach made to Lievremont is the titularisation of Parra at 10 (for the first time) in replacement of Trinh Duc, but TD did not play well the first two matches and Parra is very talented and creative at 9, so it's a gamble Lievremont is making, but he certainly isn't giving the match to NZ; at least the player selected to play will be eager to demonstrate they are not a second zone team

of course, Parra is a good player, but the way media sees it, he's green at flyhalf therefore debilitating their backs in a game against all powerful All Blacks.

i don't see it that way at all.
 

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Well I had the right predicition Argentina beating Scotland.. :smiley:

NZ France has produced a real psychodrama in the French team, on the verge of explosion.. you don't play All Blacks without long-term sequels..
 

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Argies are a top side now, equal to most Northern Hemisphere teams, and on any given day they can give Aussies a run for their money!
 

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Things are starting to get interesting, with the quarter-finals now on the horizon. I'm surprised by Italy, who actually have an outside chance of making it out of pool play if they beat Ireland, a tall order.

NZ looked very good against France, and SA seems to be firing on all cylinders after that close call against Wales in the opener.

I can't wait for the QF match-ups so we can discuss and make our picks!
 

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indeed! the gap between tier 1 teams and the rest is closing each year. Argentina is already up there with top 5 sides, Italy will eventually join them as well, their progress is incredible seeing how they used to be barely above the likes of Spain (who at least do real well in 7s) 10, 15 years ago.

i'm stoked for the final phase.
 

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Well SA won 13-5 against very modest Samoans, they won by 1 point against Wales, Australia lost to Ireland.. among the southern hemisphere teams, only NZ is impressive..
Italy needs a win over Ireland to pass, and they should win by more than 7 points -or- by 4 tries (and Ireland not doing 2 off/def bonus points) seems very unlikely but not impossible; in group D south Africa is 1st and Wales 2nd;

we'll have SA-Australia
Ireland - Wales

in group A; NZ is first, France needs only one point against Tongians tomorrow, so France 2nd. in group B it's still very open, but England are the favorites against Scotland. it'll be
England 1, Argentina 2 (or Scotland)

NZ - Argentina (or Sco) --- semis against SA-Aus winner
France - England --- semis against ireland - Wales winner

the southern hemisphere (or the non-Europeans with Argentina) will bring one team to the finals, and the Europeans will have one too:

in an extremely chauvinistic opinion; a NZ - Fr in finals will be great with a ****** win :pray2:
 
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Thanks for that breakdown bk21. It's very interesting how the the match-ups will shape-up with the northern/southern hemisphere teams. I think this was done on purpose to make sure at least one team from each side can make it to the final.

There were some interesting results yesterday. England looked terrible in their win against SCO, while France suffered a shocking defeat against Tonga. I'm not sure which side now (ENG vs FR) in the quarters will get the victory.

Also, star All-Blacks fly-half Dan Carter has been ruled out of the tournament because of a groin injury, so this is a big blow to their chances. They have looked impressive so far, but how will they deal with Carter's absence? I feel like all 8 teams in the elimination round have some chance to win the Cup, as no one has looked unbeatable (well, NZ, until the Carter news).
 

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Dan Carter or not, NZ will win the cup. They're just too good. Australia has massive injury problems, South Africa almost lost against Wales and looked like **** against Samoa.

The european teams have no chance.
 

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NZ are favourites, true, but I remember in 1999 when they played well until the semi-finals at Twickenham. They played a French team that had been horrible for most of the tournament, a team that only got through because they had an easy draw. We all remember what happened that day at Twickenham. I think SA in particular can raise their game. They'll need to if they're going to repeat as champions.
 

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@foobar, actually it wasn't meant to be like that at all (non-Eu vs Europe)! the Irish win changed everything, while Aus was promised for the 1st place they finished 2nd and went to the other side of the table instead of the Irish, with NZ and SA

as for each team chances, France is miserable, England too, but they always manage to pass through, my favourite from the European side is Wales..
on the other side, NZ is playing home, and, Despite Carter's injury they are favourite, BUT, NZ get tensed when it comes to direct elimination matches, so, everybody has a chance
 

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@foobar, actually it wasn't meant to be like that at all (non-Eu vs Europe)! the Irish win changed everything, while Aus was promised for the 1st place they finished 2nd and went to the other side of the table instead of the Irish, with NZ and SA

as for each team chances, France is miserable, England too, but they always manage to pass through, my favourite from the European side is Wales..
on the other side, NZ is playing home, and, Despite Carter's injury they are favourite, BUT, NZ get tensed when it comes to direct elimination matches, so, everybody has a chance

bk21, what do you think is wrong with the french team?

my prediction: SA or australia
 

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Salut Fred,
well IMO the biggest problem of the french team is the coach Marc Lievremont: not his inner technical qualities but his state of mind: he's always negative, always criticizing his players - I won't go into which player he should (Marconnet, Poitrenaud?) or shouldn't select, he made his choice and it is respectable- but he managed to undermine everybody's confidence; not just at this World cup but in the 6 nations and test matches: after each match, won or lost, his commentaries sounds like you just killed his mother, and inevitably the attitude of the players is affected but this whole negative psycho-drama instilled (unconsciously!) by Lievremont..
you know Domenech used "la méthode Coué" = everything is alright (even after crappy games), Lièvremont does the exact opposite = everything is not alright (even after honorable games)

but anyway, this doesn't mean that France has lost his future match against England, feeling that you don't have any chance of winning could be beneficial, playing free and without pressure; it will be 50-50

"take a look at this video ITW, it explains everything:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/breves2011/20111003_102826_noves-pas-d-identite.html "
 
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