Rob Gronkowski

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  1. bigunreal

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    The Gronkowski situation is getting ridiculous. No, that is not accurate- it is an unprecedented situation. FIVE surgeries for a broken forearm? Persistent problems over what should be one of the mildest football injuries over six months later?

    And now they are claiming Gronk will have to have back surgery as well. Even more humorously, this surgery will be delayed enough so that if there are complications (which we know there WILL be, since Gronk seems to have a slew of "complications" that no other football player previously has ever had), then his status for the regular season opener may be in jeopardy.

    Now someone explain to me how Adrian Peterson came back, against all odds, and all historical precedent, to start from Week 1 last year, resulting in the total marginalization of Toby Gerhart, who was on the verge of breaking out. And now, RGIII, complete with huge corporations designing ad campaigns to urge him to be ready for Week 1, is supposedly healing at a record setting pace as well. Want to bet he doesn't start the regular season opener, and somehow look as "dazzling" as he did last season?

    And yet poor Gronk, who coincidentally has become the greatest white non-QB skill position player we've seen in a very long time, dominating his position like no other and already shattering records, just cannot recover from a broken forearm suffered last December. The one he managed to initially break while blocking for an extra point. I'd still like to see footage of that.

    Peterson is being referred to now regularly as "not mortal" or "not human," because of his incredible healing powers. RGIII is sure to garner the same kind of jaw dropping superlatives from the media and DWFs. So now we can add "faster healers" to the list of attributes black athletes possess, that their hard working, lunch pail type peers don't.

    Yes, if only Gronk would just behave himself off the field, like all the "real" athletes do.
     
  2. davidholly

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    I doubt Griffin is in as good a condition as people are saying. That said, Gronk's injury was a shattered bone from what I infer. Those are much more difficult to heal than a clean break. He made it even worse by playing in that playoff game.
     
  3. dwid

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    yes, and they have the knee injuries down to a science. Not much improvement on broken bones. The back injury is my main concern, thats what I was worried about when he was drafted. Back injuries really don't go away with surgery, everyone that I know who has had one, had to get surgery several years after, I think five years was the longest I heard someone go.

    umm and Bigunreal is forgetting that Welker had pretty much the identical thing happen to him as Peterson, in the last game of the season, and was ready just as early as Peterson. The knee tears heal pretty fast nowadays, however RGIII might take a little longer because his was more complicated since they had to use some different tissue from what I remember, because he already had a tear fixed in college.

    Drew Brees had some weird injury in his throwing shoulder, I think it was Lynch that landed on him. He was fine by the regular season. Balls were going into the dirt during training camp but he actually got his arm strength better than it ever was before. It depends on how you take care of yourself, he went to a nutritionist and found out all the stuff he was allergic to, stuff he ate every day didn't realize caused small reactions. Gronk is kind of a party guy, there is a myth that alchohol stops anti biotics from working, from what I know I don't think thats true, but if hes not taking care of himself it could take longer. I mean it got infected, thats either on the doctors or him not takin care of it. Love him as a player but he is kind of a meat head. Then again John Riggins liked to party, had two knee injuries, and back in those days one was enough to end a career, and he came back and did great, so I guess its different for everybody.

    Peterson probably had someone babysit him 24 hours a day with a picture of Toby Gerhart in the facility, probably with his college and pro highlights playing non stop hah. Just joking about the last parts but he probably did have someone manage him every day.

    btw, Gronk broke his arm twice, in two different spots, it wasn't fully healed when he came back, it wasn't prepared to take impact like that, and since it was still healing it made it weak in other areas, which is why it broke in another spot. The bone is kind of supposed to heal on its own, kind of hard to do when its infected. I don't think there is any conspiracy here.
     
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    I can't recall an NFL player ever having four or five surgeries in a row on a forearm. And it is odd that we never see the play where he broke it originally.

    Gronkowski had back problems at Arizona. He could be the victim of bad luck, or it's possible that he doesn't take good care of himself. As much as I enjoyed watching Mario Lemieux play hockey, he also smoked cigarettes, never worked out until he came out of retirement in 2000, regularly chowed down on junk food, and loved playing golf -- and did so even when his notoriously fickle back was acting up. Like Gronkowski he was a physical freak of nature, but a lot of Lemieux's injury problems (not his bout with cancer of course) can be traced to his bad attitude toward training and maintenance.

    Certainly many black athletes don't treat their bodies well, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Gronkowski is immature and takes too much for granted. Not saying that's necessarily the case yet, but his developing reputation as a party animal along with this forearm that won't heal is troubling.
     
  5. Wes Woodhead

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    However you wanna slice it it sucks because Gronk is such an absolute beast of a TE. Its suspiciously similar to Peyton Hillis hamstring, sore throat and headaches that kept him sidelined for much of that last season in Cleveland. You really gotta at least give some thought to it.
     
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    The leftists have never promoted equality as they claim. They've always supported black supremacy. The cited comments about Peterson and Griffin (I refuse to call him RG3) prove this.

    The leftists always portray black males as something special and greater than white men.

    Here are examples. Muhammad Ali wasn't just a good boxer, he was the greatest boxer of all time. Jimi Hendrix wasn't just a good guitarist he was the greatest guitarist of all time, in a class by himself.

    I predict the leftists are going to promote Griffin as the greatest football player who ever lived. If injuries derail Griffin's career they'll do the same thing with someone such as Kaepernick.
     
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    Wasn't the play where he broke it a special teams play? Lot easier to see the injury on a play where he's covered man to man then a play where a mass of bodies are colliding.
     
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    I really don't give much thought to the injuries. Its a numbers game. There are just a ton of more blacks in the league. I mean it took SIX backs to go down with injury before Hillis even got his first shot. There wasn't any conspiracy to that. Then it took another injury for him to be considered in the rotation with the Browns, if Hardesty doesn't go down then Hillis would have been 3rd in the rotation to him and the other back that Hillis was splitting carries with the first two games. Thats not really that uncommon, I mean Im pretty sure Alfred Morris got the starting gig last year because of a ton of backs on the Redskins had nagging injuries.

    It just looks bad because we have so few Whites in the league compared to blacks. They have over 200 new black players in the league every year. A good deal stay injured, but usually those are the later round picks who didn't have the talent anyway, so they play through injuries to try and earn a spot but wind up on the bicycle for most of camp. Adrian Arrington was one of these for the Saints, always had some injury, and didn't look good when healthy, yet dwfs thought he was going to be the next Colston based off of one great game he had in college against a UF secondary that started true freshmans (I think the Saints had him for like 4 years, trying to live up to that upside). When its a White player, college doesn't translate to pros. When a black guy had some sort of injury, mo matter what time in the year it occurred, the dwfs use it as an excuse of why he isn't performing well, even if the guy is probably at 100 percent. When a White guy gets hurt, they think he sucks. When Welker came back so quickly it was because he was such a hard worker, when Peterson came back so quickly is was because he was a freak of nature.

    now the big problem is, many of our guys do try to come back too soon from injury, and probably ignore pain to where it becomes something chronic. I don't know if you remember the hamstring issues in 2011 for Hillis, it wasn't healed, and they were wrapping it up and using heat to where it didn't feel that bad, and he would go out there and aggravate it again. Of course his job security was on the line. I don't think he realized how he had to act being a White runningback trying to get a better contract when they didn't even want him. He did take bad advice from his agent (I believe the one that told him to sit out the game with the sore throat was black), and after that the media in Cleveland had something negative on him every single day. I mean they ran a whole story on how he wanted to join the CIA, when it was probably something from an old interview that could have been phrased "what did you want to do growing up as a kid if it wasn't playing football?" They made it sound like if he didn't get the contract he wanted he was going to try and join the CIA.

    The whole hamstring thing occurred after he landed upside down catching a pass for the Broncos and getting hit by two guys, he had like a 3 inch tear in his hamstring and the guy wants to push way beyond the limit pulling trucks in the offseason.

    I mean the hamstring thing is usually to an imbalance in the body, some trainers can tell by the way a guy is running that he is going to be prone to hamstring issues, the key is fixing it. I don't like the idea of stretching before going all out, I think that leaves you more prone to injury. I believe in loosening up a little bit though, just not the static stretching right before playing. The reason why you will feel a tightness is because there is some imbalance there. It sounds crazy but there is some research to back this up.
     
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    as far as his forearm goes, it's just a string of bad luck, it got infected and it drags on. now, back issues are very worrying for a guy his size and that young
     
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    The Gronk saga continues to unfold, with no one questioning the absurdity of the situation. Now we learn that the back surgery he is to undergo, this coming Tuesday, is serious enough to put his availability for the season opener, perhaps even for the first half of the season, in jeopardy.

    There are several problems with this scenario. First, why did they wait over a month to have this back surgery, after the news first broke that he was going to need it? If the recovery time is so inexplicably long, why delay the procedure, which will cause his rehab to extend into the beginning of the regular season? The excuse initially was the longest lasting infection in the history of the world, on his mysteriously injured forearm. That was cleared over a month ago, and yet they still waited. Why?

    There are more questions. Why do all the fantasy sites seem so certain, so oddly sure, that Gronk will miss regular season games? This contradicts their normal outlook, for the likes of Adrian Peterson and Griffin III, where they maintain a great confidence that they can recover even quicker than expected. In Gronk's case, however, there is only gloom and doom, predictions that he will recover less quickly than expected.

    If Gronk never returns to the form that made him the most dominant offensive force in the game, the greatest non-QB white skill position player we've seen in decades, then I will doubt the validity of that original injury even more than I do now. How do you break an arm blocking for an extra point? If I recall, the injury wasn't even announced right away. As usual, I'm not buying what they're selling.

    How does a player, like Griffin, recover from a much, much more serious injury quicker than a Gronk recovers from a relatively minor thing, which occurred earlier? How does a Peterson recover in unprecedented fashion from a serious knee injury, when a tremendous athlete like Gronk struggles with unprecedented infection after infection for a minor issue?

    When did this new back problem of Gronk's arise? We heard nothing of it until after he was finally, at long last, cleared of an infection in his arm. How did he injure his back in the offseason? Dancing? Going to Las Vegas? These are not insignificant points. The official story for both of Gronk's injures make no sense.

    And where are the confident vows from Gronk that he will be back, and ready to go for the regular season? You know, the kind of braggadoccio we get from Griffin, and so many other blacks. Gronk seems like a confident guy. His silence here is deafening, and hardly makes one feel optimistic.
     
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    are you a doctor? any sort of medical training? there could be a dozen reasons why things were postponed. As far as back injuries, they are nothing to mess with. As far as knee injuries, doctors have those down to a science, when does a player ever have a career ending knee injury anymore? everyone that gets one has a fast recovery. There are all kinds of rehab exercises to strengthen the ligaments.

    A forearm that got infected and a back problem which dates back to college is a different story. How do you strengthen a broken bone? the same protocol that was in place 30 years ago is in place now, just let the broken arm heal on its own, the older you are the longer it will take. I figured the back surgery would come, I have never met someone who had a back surgery that was fine for more than 5 years. Some were back in pain after a year or two. Maybe they were hoping it would heal itself, there have been cases of healthy individuals, that kept working out, where their back fused together naturally (but this has been in individuals who never had surgery in the first place), and I have no clue what kind of back injury he has.


    I mean all of this talk about this is silly and makes us look silly. You are comparing apples to oranges, "Why are they treating a guy who has back injuries dating back to college and a broken forearm that got infected getting treated differently than someone with a routine knee injury?"

    as far as how do you break a forearm blocking for an extra point, have you ever blocked? The arm was already broken several games before that landing awkward on a catch. It was probably not healed all the way. Its not a stretch to think that it could have been broken when it was already compromised, even if was "just a an extra point". He had surgery to repair it during the regular season, yet he was back that same season, the problem is, it made his whole arm weaker and more prone to injury. Despite what dwfs think, coaches really care about special teams and like to put to best people capable out there. Its like this for all teams and none of them think "well we are up by a bunch, lets change the personell for special teams."

    If they did things the way you wanted them to, then Gronk might not ever be the same player he was. I think they are doing the best possible thing to get him back to regular form. He might not be the same player in 2013 because back injuries tend to linger and hinder performance (yes even for black players, look it up), but I am sure he will be back to form by 2014. However, even if Gronk is 75 percent of the player he was next year, its still better than most tight ends.

    as far as not knowing about the injury right away, the Patriots have ALWAYS been shady in reporting injuries. Brady was listed with a shoulder problem every single game for years (he probably still is, I am not sure), and Bellicheck did this because of the flak he received for not reporting injuries.

    You don't think Bellicheck and the Patriots want him back ASAP? I am sure the MSM hates him, he is what a lot of kids look up to, acts like someone you could put on Jersey Shore, a tough guy that likes to party. I am sure they don't like that, but Bellicheck likes him on the field, I guarantee that, and he has probably seen several specialists and differing opinions, which might be why it took so long. Its not like there is just ONE type of back surgery, there are different ways of "fixing it". Since his first one didn't last that long, I am sure he wanted to get as many opinions as possible to weigh what exactly he should get done.
     
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  12. Wes Woodhead

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    Theres no explaining away the fact that the Gronk situation is extremely fishy. What blows my mind is that he was even in there blocking for an extra point in the first place. That makes no sense whatsoever! That alone should make thinking men suspicious.

    Then again not using Woodhead as the feature back made no sense. Not making Welker the first option on EVERY passing play made no sense. Not giving Welker however much money he wanted makes no sense. Winning is clearly not the most important thing to post Randy Moss NE.
     
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    you leave him blocking for extra points because he has always blocked for extra points. Hes a great blocker. Why take him out? you have 45 guys available on game day. Probably 8 to 10 are defensive backs. You think Bellicheck was hoping that Gronk would be injured?

    Bellicheck has pushed the limits more than any other coach. I am guessing those who have more power don't want him pushing it any farther, which is why Woodhead was never a featured back. I mean they had a nice role for him, 1k from scrimmage, 5.6 ypc and then after the season they decide they need to draft not one, but two runningbacks? If it was Bellicheck's idea to screw over Woodhead, he would have never given him a significant role in the first place.

    Welker was pretty much close to being the first option on every pass play, you can tell by looking at the amount of 100+ catch seasons he had in his career there, more than any player in history, and yet he still couldn't be stopped. Sometimes Brady went for better matchups, whats easier, Welker being double covered or another guy with single coverage by a db that tripped over himself? What I worry is that he won't be the number 1 option in Denver. Manning likes using a different concept for offense and Welker would be the 3rd read. This is why only one slot receiver put up 1k with Manning. Stokley could have put up more in a different system.

    As far as getting rid of Welker, I am guessing Bellicheck is used to black players who decline after 30, it will come back to bite him later on, a lot more than what letting go of Richard Seymour did. I always said that last year was Superbowl or bust, that it was okay to have that many White players, as long as they won the Superbowl. They went to the Superbowl and lost, and now we see the team blackening. Then I think they realized they sucked so they brought in Tebow, which no other team was willing to do. I think if they win the Superbowl Welker gets the contract. Different standards for White players, they want the best and still pay them low.
     
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    NO I dont think Bill wanted him to get hurt. Still there is no defending the stupidity of having Gronk in there to block for a point after. NO matter how good a blocker he is. Its just plain stupid.
     
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    You make an excellent point here about "those who have more power". Im not blaming Bellicheck for anything. Just like all other coaches hes merely a puppet controlled by whoever "those who have more power" are.

    My mindset is that the racial rabbit hole just might go WAAYYYYYY deeper than most guys (myself included) are willing to admit. I think its important to open our minds to this concept. There will always be closed minded stiffs who throw around names like "conspiracy theorist, buffoon, idiot, paranoid, and poopy face". That whats counter productive, not opening ones mind to the possibility that maybe, just maybe the racial rabbit hole is deeper than we care to admit.
     
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    Dwid,

    Gronk broke his arm the first time on the extra point, the second time diving for a catch, not the other way around. We've still never seen any video of the first injury, which is strange.

    You didn't address perhaps the simplest point I made- why was the surgery on his back delayed over a month after they'd first stated he had to have it? That seems like a bizarre, senseless move, which could directly be the difference between him being ready to go at the beginning of the season or not. If the team desires its best weapon on the field, then clearly surgery should have been done as soon as possible. Instead, it seems like they waited as long as possible. How does that make sense?

    The surgery Peterson had was not "routine." His recovery shocked everyone, and was unprecedented. Griffin's injury was definitely not "routine," and it was initially thought by all that he would not be ready for the regular season. Contrast the commercials, with the corporate world rooting on their pet RGIII like freshman cheerleaders with the message, "be ready for week 1," with the uncertainty, the gloom, surrounding Gronk's mysteriously delayed back surgery (and prior to a month or so ago, we had heard absolutely nothing about new back problems since he entered the league).

    I have blocked before. It never entered my mind that I could break my arm doing so. I will ask you another question- when have you seen any player suffer such a serious injury, or really any injury at all, during an extra point attempt? I've watched NFL games for nearly 50 years, and I have never seen someone injured during an extra point attempt. And I think it's legitimate to question why we never saw video of the injury. It wasn't pointed out at the time, and we are treated to replays afterwards of all serious injuries, especially to stars like Gronkowski. Why not here?
     
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    I kind of answered that question, you would have to ask a doctor why it was delayed. There are numerous reasons why it could have been delayed. There could have been inflamation/swelling. Also, you are supposed to be in good health when getting surgery like that. He had an infection on his arm. And as I thought of that, I googled, it, and his infection was indeed the reason why it was delayed. "complications from his forearm surgeries delayed his back surgery"


    It never occured to you that you could break something while blocking? while breaking an arm would be rare, it is possible, you (or limbs) can wind up in awkward positions with heavy impact. I just watched it, it looks like his arm was extended out, maybe it got caught in another player while getting hit, I don't know. It wasn't replayed because it was an extra point where nothing significant happened, he walked off the field shaking his head but showed no signs of being hurt. I don't know why they haven't showed it since they found out but this whole conspiracy saying he didn't break his arm is ridiculous.


    Despite what people are saying, knee surgeries have become routine. Nobody said anything about Welker coming back so early, except for how much of a hard worker he was. Griffin's was a little more complicated because he already had a knee surgery and it complicated it somewhat, which is why his return is questionable for week 1, but they have the knee surgery down to a science and the rehab down to a science, being that its the most common injury in football. Scott Chandler tore his knee and 4 weeks later he was practicing and it looked like nothing happened. You only hear about this fast recoveries when it comes to affletes.

    btw, I don't think Peterson's recovery is what shocked people the most, its the fact that he came back and rushed for 2,000 yards.

    no I haven't seen a forearm break during an extra point attempt, but I have seen someone break their wrist. Special teams is a real part of the game, despite what the msm wants you to think and I imagine the other teamswas probably going pretty hard being down 5 tds. And as far as his back injury, I remember hearing during the season that his back was bothering him and remembering not being surprised, since back surgeries don't tend to fix things for very long.

    was it a conspiracy when Shockey broke his leg? the only thing that happened was his teammate rolled onto it at the end of a running play. Seems impossible but freak injuries do occur. I do know one thing they have in common, is that they liked to drink, maybe that puts you at a greater risk of breaking a bone, but I am pretty sure he broke it, and pretty sure Gronkowski broke is forearm, I don't think he would have gotten several surgeries on it, with a metal plate. Maybe he broke it as a kid? I know once you break an arm its more likely to break again with force, and watching videos of them growing up its highly likely he broke several bones, with the dad leting them go crazy against each other in a small slightly padded room.
     
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    More gloom and doom about Gronkowski's prognosis, from ESPN. Their ridiculous, allegedly "hot" female "injury expert" provided a very negative report on both of Gronk's injuries.

    She claimed that there was "no timetable" for his return, and that the forearm is actually a bigger concern, since "he has to use that to block and fall on," or some nonsense like that. Funny, I don't recall any other players who broke their forearms being subject to these kinds of doubts. Based on what she said, any player who ever breaks his forearm is pretty much finished in the league.

    She also said they have to let the forearm "fully heal." Uh, how long does it take? My mother in law broke her hip at 86 and had a full recovery in half the time Gronk has taken to recover from the mother of all broken bones.

    With Hernandez evidently wanted for murder now, and Gronk looking shaky for this season, maybe they will move Tebow to his "natural" position of TE. Even in an "acceptable" spot, I suspect Tebow would find more hatred than love.
     
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    his forearm got infected after a procedure.... do you know what staph infection is? do you know what mrsa is? My friend took his daughter there for a routine checkup and got it on her face. Its resistant to most anti biotics and a real pain in the ass the get rid of, people have lost limbs because of it.

    Ive agreed with you (sometimes) in the past when something seems fishy, this isn't one of them. This would mean that Gronkowski would be involved in it, unless he is too stupid to get differing medical advice and someone is deliberately messing up his surgeries. Your grandmother had a fast recovery time for someone her age, thats wonderful, would she have been ready to try and deal with guys that are anywhere from 240 to 300+? Did she have MRSA (a staph infection resistant to most antiobioitics?)

    I have mrsa and it took a long time to get rid of, thery had to put a hole through my hand to get rid of all of it and it didn't close for months, and even then it took my another few months to regain full strength in the hand. If we are talking about mrsa close to the bone that could be way more complicated.
     
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    Guys I have been holding back this information as it really is gossip as I never witnessed this myself but I was told this 2nd hand and the story might even be 3rd hand. But since Gronk has had time on his hands with rehab he might have develped a full blown gambling addiction. A dealer at Seneca Niagara Casino told me that Gronk has played as high as 30K a hand at Baccarat in the VIP area at the casino. If you play 30K a hand it's conceivable you could lose 1 million in really bad session(you also could win this too). I know other superstar players have performed on the field with his problem ie Jordan, Jagr, Barkley, Iverson etc, but this could be another problem for the Pats if his gambling interferes with practice time.
     
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    I doubt his gambling will affect his practice time, it may be slowing down his recovery though. Is he interested in remaining the top TE in the NFL or does he just want to have a good time? I mean he is still young and even in the early 20's your mind can be clouded. The key to gambling is, never lose big (which means don't get greedy, be ready to walk out). I am still ahead of the casinos, although I got kicked out once or twice. The key is to count cards SOMETIMES. I never win big, but never lose big. Usually go with about 40something and come out with 100 to 200. Sometimes a few bad hands in a row and im out 40. Couldn't imagine having Gronk's money. I imagine Brady is probably trying to talk to him, or has been trying to talk to him, being that Gronk is his best weapon at the moment, at least the one he is familiar with.

    There are tons of players who gamble excessively. Regarding old school, I know Lawrence Taylor did (as well as coke), it works on the same part of your brain as the drug cocaine, it spikes dopamine, can be very addicting, but I don't know if its addiction with him, the dude is just a party guy. If he likes dropping 30 k a hand then whatever (but he gets free drinks! and comps like hotel stays! lol), just practice and play when its time, hopefully grow up otherwise he'll be broke like most of the affletes are when they get out of the league.

    someone needs to tell him to stick to blackjack, its the only game, even if you don't count cards but play the strategy that you are supposed to, you have a slight advantage over the casino, which is like .001 haha. Fock baccarat. Me and my friend used to make steady money on the blackjack tables, someone convinced him to play bacccarat, he got lucky and wound up getting enough money to buy his brand new truck, and has stuck with it ever since, and now has played himself into a big hole, had like 20k savings that he dug into quickly (which all worked out because the 20k savings was to eventually buy the new truck at a later date, but he is still gambling unfortunately). Said he just doesn't get the thrill of winning even a 100 a hand now. Has anyone ever played it? it doesn't even make sense. I believe there is a version where you can have better odds, but none of the casinos have that version that I am aware of. I doubt he is losing a million here and there. You put in a million you might big chunks back here and there. So probably more like half a million, still terrible. There must be something to it, all the Vietnamese around here swear by it and horde the tables, and look like they stay making money, but they have all kinds of charts and usually are sober, well it looks like they make enough to be high rollers every weekend when most of them work in resturant type shops.
     
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    Football is different than the other sports in that they only play once a week. Most posters on here have heard of the Jordan story about him gambling in AC through the night and then going to MSG and lighting up the Knicks in the playoffs. I also recall Lemieux ripping Jagr for doing the same when they were both on Penguins. Supposedly John Daley took a chopper from Oakville (a western outer suburb of Toronto) to Niagara Falls to gamble and lose thousands while he played the Canadian Open. PS I have seen the same thing with East Asian minimum wage workers wearing sweat stained Walmart t-shirts betting hundreds at various table games in the casino.......
     
  23. FootballDad

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    The usual suspects aren't done trying to destroy Gronk. The latest is that he made raycisssssssss remarks to an Asian fellow at a bar over the weekend. Ridiculous, I know, but the thought and speech police are relentless and will not stop until the 1st Amendment is completely buried.

    There is no room for humor or levity with these folks.

    http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/12/rob-g...-fried-rice-leslie-chow-new-england-patriots/
     
  24. Leonardfan

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    Just another attempted attack on a white athlete by the jew sports media
     
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    Lol geez there is absolutely no reason for people to get their panties in a bunch. The USA is so oversensitive to topics its ridiculous. Gronk did nothing wrong, so he called an Asian fellow Leslie Chao from the movie The Hangover. Big deal! It's time we take back our right to say and do what we want. I hope Gronk doesn't issue an apology.
     

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