Reggie Bush
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He will be a better Dave Meggett. He is too small to dominate.
Most of the really good running backs have standout rookie seasons. Bush has a 3.0 yards per rush average, which is worse than Jamal Lewis' averageand slightly better than that of Edgerrin James, to name two struggling backs, and only 210 yards total on the ground. The longest run "Mr. Electric" has had all seasonthus faris a measly 18 yards.
Yet Mike Hass was deemed unworthy of a roster spot on the same team even as a backup wide receiver. Not to beat a dead horse, but the difference in hype received and treatment received by the NFL couldn't be more different. When you look at how the rookie Colsten has stepped in and produced for the Saints with a great quarterback throwing him the ball, it's even more of a shame that the best receiver in college football in both 2004 and 2005 wasn't givena similaropportunity.
Yet Mike Hass was deemed unworthy of a roster spot on the same team even as a backup wide receiver. Not to beat a dead horse, but the difference in hype received and treatment received by the NFL couldn't be more different. When you look at how the rookie Colsten has stepped in and produced for the Saints with a great quarterback throwing him the ball, it's even more of a shame that the best receiver in college football in both 2004 and 2005 wasn't givena similaropportunity.
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Very often a rookie running back is never better than in his rookie year. HOF examples are Gale Sayers and Hugh McElhenny. A so-called breakaway runner who doesn't show some sparks in his rookie year probably won't do much.
Thomas Jones got to start with several teams before he finally produced but hes not that great of a runner. Decent speed but not much in the way of moves or seeing the field. Brock Forsey wouldbe better than Jones if he started for the Bears for a full season.
Don Wassall said:
The advantage Mr. Bush has is endorsements and ESPN love. They can tke his 18 yard run show it 20 times on one Sportscenter and then bring in five experts to tell us how versatile and dynamic he is. I couldn't count how many time they showed his punt return. Many people equate exposure with performance but that's not how it works in the Caste System.
lumsdenpower
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Reggie Bush today : 11carry for -5yards
Colonel_Reb
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Something tells me lumsdenpower's laughter is echoing through the Canadian wilds at this very moment!
Sark6354201
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lumsdenpower said:Reggie Bush today : 11carry for -5yards
If he performs like this weekly, not even the hype around him will be enough to create the illusion he is good when he hasn't proven himself yet.Edited by: Sark6354201
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Reggie has found out.....Theres a difference in running against lazyBlack 10 linebacker afeletes in the Pac 10...and the likes of Keith Brooking and Brian Urlacher in the NFL
He was a great college player...he will be nothing more than an average NFL Player.
He was a great college player...he will be nothing more than an average NFL Player.
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I get it. When MIke Hass was good in the PAC 10 it was sure proof of an NFL future, But for Bush it was all a mirage?
Oh geez, yet another idiot showing off his ignorance. The point, Einstein, is that Bush was crowned a great NFL running back while still in college, received endless positive media coverage and corporate endorsements, and will get many years, ala Ron Dayne and many other black RBs, to prove himself in the NFL.
The best college wide receiver in the country in 2004 and 2005 was labeled as having no chance to do well in the NFL while still in college, received little positive media coverage and no corporate endorsements, wasn't drafted until the sixth round and then was cut in preseason without getting any opportunity whatsoever in the NFL. If you can't see the difference between the publicity and the opportunities given the two, "Sporty," you must be sporting wood where your brain's supposed to be. You're even more ignorant than most trolls that post here, and that's saying a lot.
The best college wide receiver in the country in 2004 and 2005 was labeled as having no chance to do well in the NFL while still in college, received little positive media coverage and no corporate endorsements, wasn't drafted until the sixth round and then was cut in preseason without getting any opportunity whatsoever in the NFL. If you can't see the difference between the publicity and the opportunities given the two, "Sporty," you must be sporting wood where your brain's supposed to be. You're even more ignorant than most trolls that post here, and that's saying a lot.
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Wow. It's nice to see how any questions are responded to with personal attacks. If this site is about cheering for white athletes what does Bush have to do with anything?
Many of the arguments and comparisons are wildy inconsistent. If the PAC 10 is good for guys you like it can't stink for the guyd you don't like, can it?
Honestly, all the attacks on people who have no control over the system that you attack, just make a lot of the posters look spiteful and small. R. Bush plays ball, he doesn't run any teams and his failures would probably do little to advance your cause.
Many of the arguments and comparisons are wildy inconsistent. If the PAC 10 is good for guys you like it can't stink for the guyd you don't like, can it?
Honestly, all the attacks on people who have no control over the system that you attack, just make a lot of the posters look spiteful and small. R. Bush plays ball, he doesn't run any teams and his failures would probably do little to advance your cause.
If this site is about cheering for white athletes what does Bush have to do with anything?
Answer: We can talk about whatever we want to. If you want to know what Bush has to do with anything, please read my previous response above.
Many of the arguments and comparisons are wildy inconsistent. If the PAC 10 is good for guys you like it can't stink for the guyd you don't like, can it?
Answer: Man are you thick. This thread isn't about the PAC 10, the relevance is that both Bush and Hass played in the PAC 10, hence against the same competition. Both excelled; one was crowned a sure futureNFL great the other a sureNFL bust. That's the relevance.
Honestly, all the attacks on people who have no control over the system that you attack, just make a lot of the posters look spiteful and small. R. Bush plays ball, he doesn't run any teams and his failures would probably do little to advance your cause.
Answer: It's not a personal attack on Bush, simply observations on how unsuccessful his rookie year has been compared to expectations. Expectations are often wrong, aren't they? Again, the point is, just as Bush hasn't met the expectations of the so-called experts, maybe Mike Hass would have surpassed the expectations of the so-called experts just as he had to be a walk-on at Oregon State because no I-A school would recruit him despite a stellar high school career. But we'll never know because, being white, Hass didn't get the opportunity.
And how do we know it's his race? Because every other Biletnikoff winner of the past decade-plus has been drafted in the first or second round and given numerous opportunities to succeed in the NFL.Edited by: Don Wassall
Answer: We can talk about whatever we want to. If you want to know what Bush has to do with anything, please read my previous response above.
Many of the arguments and comparisons are wildy inconsistent. If the PAC 10 is good for guys you like it can't stink for the guyd you don't like, can it?
Answer: Man are you thick. This thread isn't about the PAC 10, the relevance is that both Bush and Hass played in the PAC 10, hence against the same competition. Both excelled; one was crowned a sure futureNFL great the other a sureNFL bust. That's the relevance.
Honestly, all the attacks on people who have no control over the system that you attack, just make a lot of the posters look spiteful and small. R. Bush plays ball, he doesn't run any teams and his failures would probably do little to advance your cause.
Answer: It's not a personal attack on Bush, simply observations on how unsuccessful his rookie year has been compared to expectations. Expectations are often wrong, aren't they? Again, the point is, just as Bush hasn't met the expectations of the so-called experts, maybe Mike Hass would have surpassed the expectations of the so-called experts just as he had to be a walk-on at Oregon State because no I-A school would recruit him despite a stellar high school career. But we'll never know because, being white, Hass didn't get the opportunity.
And how do we know it's his race? Because every other Biletnikoff winner of the past decade-plus has been drafted in the first or second round and given numerous opportunities to succeed in the NFL.Edited by: Don Wassall
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He's been playing a lot better recently. Last couple of games he has looked pretty good. Broke some tackles tonight against Dallas.
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Reggie Bush is an amazing athlete,
he has every skill you desire
in a runner except power. In that respect he
doesn't appear to be able to break
even one tackle very often. I think he'll be a good running back
though, but he may be only a rich mans Warrick Dunn. Bush appears
to be a really good pass catching/change of pace back but still has to
prove he can be the every down back a team covets. We'll see, he
definitley has
been showing more lately.
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
he has every skill you desire
in a runner except power. In that respect he
doesn't appear to be able to break
even one tackle very often. I think he'll be a good running back
though, but he may be only a rich mans Warrick Dunn. Bush appears
to be a really good pass catching/change of pace back but still has to
prove he can be the every down back a team covets. We'll see, he
definitley has
been showing more lately.
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
ToughJ.Riggins
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And speaking of Mike Hass anyone
who thinks that Devery Henderson,
Terrance Copper or Jamal Jones have
proven themselves as better players are
complete fools. Michael Lewis should
have made the Saints roster due to his
return abiliy. However, Mike Hass
and Chase Lyman would certainly be
better roster additions than the 3 guys I
first mentioned.
The Saints used a special teams need arguement for cutting Hass supposedly, according to scout.com Saints message boards. However how many special teams receivers do you need? The Saints are one
of my least favorite teams for
cutting those two guys. They cut Chris Horn
as well, but that is less offensive
to me. Simply put Mike Hass is good enough to be
a starting 2nd receiver on an
NFL roster this season...The guy proved
in college he had game. Weak
competition arguement ...yeah right. Hass
was considered so feared by other teams
that they would always put their
best corner on him and shadow him with another
player. He put up dominating performances
against guys in college who are
NFL caliber corners...Simply put no
corner was "athletic" enough to shut him
down!
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
who thinks that Devery Henderson,
Terrance Copper or Jamal Jones have
proven themselves as better players are
complete fools. Michael Lewis should
have made the Saints roster due to his
return abiliy. However, Mike Hass
and Chase Lyman would certainly be
better roster additions than the 3 guys I
first mentioned.
The Saints used a special teams need arguement for cutting Hass supposedly, according to scout.com Saints message boards. However how many special teams receivers do you need? The Saints are one
of my least favorite teams for
cutting those two guys. They cut Chris Horn
as well, but that is less offensive
to me. Simply put Mike Hass is good enough to be
a starting 2nd receiver on an
NFL roster this season...The guy proved
in college he had game. Weak
competition arguement ...yeah right. Hass
was considered so feared by other teams
that they would always put their
best corner on him and shadow him with another
player. He put up dominating performances
against guys in college who are
NFL caliber corners...Simply put no
corner was "athletic" enough to shut him
down!
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
if i was Sean Payton i would have kept: Horn, Colston, Henderson, Hass and Lyman. plus Lewis for returner duty. let's hope that someone will appreciate Hass at some point and seeing all the dropped passes around the league, i am pretty sure they will.
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True, I'm not saying he would have started with the great play of Colston. Colston is basically a bigger stronger,possesion receiver with equal speed to Hass. I would still give the athletic edge to Hass in quickness and agility. However, if you look at the Saints roster Hass is good enough where he should have been listed as the third WR in his first year for the Saints.
Another note I don't know if the Saints would have been a good future place of employment for Hass. Colston is basically more of a 2nd receiver for a team and with the way teams are coveting pure speed (Most drafts have a more raw Ted Ginn going ahead of Dwayne Jarrett) The Saints would never have wanted a starting tandem of Colston and Hass 1 and 2.
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
Another note I don't know if the Saints would have been a good future place of employment for Hass. Colston is basically more of a 2nd receiver for a team and with the way teams are coveting pure speed (Most drafts have a more raw Ted Ginn going ahead of Dwayne Jarrett) The Saints would never have wanted a starting tandem of Colston and Hass 1 and 2.
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
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If he is a rich mans Dunn he will be a near hall of famer. He will be a poor man's Dunn/Tiki Barber. If he has an open field he looks like how he did at USC. When he has a tough between the tackles run he looks like a marginal back that can barely make an NFL roster.ToughJ.Riggins said: