Off-Season Transfers - 2017

Discussion in 'Soccer' started by Rebajlo, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. Rebajlo

    Rebajlo Mentor

    Nov 9, 2009
    N.S.W. - Australia
    Here’s a thread to discuss current off-season transfers.

    I’ve listed some of the main deals, with an emphasis on the English Premier League.


    Alexandre Lacazette (BLACK) - Lyon to Arsenal
    Sead Kolasinac (BOSNIAN MUSLIM) - Schalke 04 to Arsenal

    Nathan Ake (BLACK) - Chelsea to AFC Bournemouth
    Jermain Defoe (BLACK) - Sunderland to AFC Bournemouth
    Asmir Begovic (BOSNIAN MUSLIM) - Chelsea to AFC Bournemouth

    Mathew Ryan - Valencia to Brighton and Hove Albion
    Markus Suttner - FC Ingolstadt 04 to Brighton and Hove Albion
    Pascal Gross - FC Ingolstadt 04 to Brighton and Hove Albion
    Josh Kerr - Celtic to Brighton and Hove Albion

    Charlie Taylor - Leeds to Burnley
    Jonathan Walters - Stoke City to Burnley
    Jack Cork - Swansea to Burnley
    Michael Kightly - Burnley to Southend
    George Boyd - Burnley to Sheffield Wednesday

    Antonio Rudiger (BLACK) - AS Roma to Chelsea
    Willy Caballero - Manchester City to Chelsea
    Tiemoue Bakayoko (BLACK) - AS Monaco to Chelsea
    Billy Gilmour - Rangers to Chelsea
    John Terry - Chelsea to Aston Villa

    Ruben Loftus-Cheek (BLACK) - Chelsea to Crystal Palace - Loan
    Steve Mandanda (BLACK) - Crystal Palace to Marseille

    Wayne Rooney - Manchester United to Everton
    Michael Keane - Burnley to Everton
    Jordan Pickford - Sunderland to Everton
    Davy Klaassen - Ajax Amsterdam to Everton
    Sandro Ramirez - Malaga to Everton
    Aiden McGeady - Everton to Sunderland

    Aaron Mooy - Manchester City to Huddersfield Town
    Laurent Depoitre - FC Porto to Huddersfield Town
    Steve Mounie (BLACK) - Montpellier HSC to Huddersfield Town
    Tom Ince (BLACK) - Derby County to Huddersfield Town
    Mathias Jorgensen (BLACK) - FC Copenhagen to Huddersfield Town

    Vicente Iborra - Sevilla to Leicester City
    Harry Maguire - Hull City to Leicester City
    Sam Hughes - Chester City to Leicester City

    Mohamed Salah (ARAB) - AS Roma to Liverpool
    Dominic Solanke (BLACK) - Chelsea to Liverpool
    Andre Wisdom (BLACK) - Liverpool to Derby County

    Victor Lindelof - Benfica to Manchester United
    Romelu Lukaku (BLACK) - Everton to Manchester United

    Kyle Walker (BLACK) - Tottenham to Manchester City
    Bernardo Silva - AS Monaco to Manchester City
    Ederson - Benfica to Manchester City
    Eric Garcia - Barcelona to Manchester City
    Gael Clichy (BLACK) - Manchester United to Istanbul Basaksehir
    Jesus Navas (GYPSY) - Released
    Olivier Ntcham (BLACK) - Manchester City to Celtic

    Florian Lejeune - SD Eibar to Newcastle United
    Christian Atsu (BLACK) - Chelsea to Newcastle United
    Stefan O’Connor (BLACK) - Arsenal to Newcastle United
    Sami Ameobi (BLACK) - Newcastle to Bolton

    Jan Bednarek - Lech Poznan to Southampton

    Darren Fletcher - West Bromwich Albion to Stoke City
    Josh Tymon - Hull City to Stoke City

    Roque Mesa - Las Palmas to Swansea
    Erwin Mulder - SC Heerenveen to Swansea
    Jordi Amat - Swansea to Real Betis - Loan
    Bafetimbi Gomis (BLACK) - Swansea to Galatasaray

    Tom Cleverly - Everton to Watford
    Kiko Femenia - Deportivo Alaves
    Will Hughes - Derby County to Watford
    Nathaniel Chalobah (BLACK) - Chelsea to Watford

    Jay Rodriguez - Southampton to West Bromwich Albion

    Pablo Zabaleta - Manchester City to West Ham
    Enner Valencia (BLACK) - West Ham to Tigres UANL

    LA LIGA:

    Nelson Semedo (BLACK) - Benfica to Barcelona
    Gerard Deulofeu - Everton to Barcelona
    Jeremy Mathieu - Barcelona tp Sporting Lisbon
    Dani Ceballos - Real Betis to Real Madrid
    Theo Hernandez - Atletico Madrid to Real Madrid
    Pepe (BLACK) - Real Madrid to Besiktas
    Vitolo - Sevilla to Atletico Madrid
    Luis Muriel (MESTIZO) - Sampdoria to Sevilla
    Jordan Amavi (BLACK) - Aston Villa to Sevilla
    Adil Rami (ARAB) - Sevilla to Marseille
    Neto - Juventus to Valencia
    Adnan Januzaj (ALBANIAN) - Manchester United to Real Sociedad

    SERIE A:

    Leonardo Bonucci - Juventus to AC Milan
    Josip Ilicic - Fiorentina to Atalanta
    Andrea Conti - Atalanta to AC Milan
    Dawid Kownacki - Lech Poznan to Sampdoria
    Adam Ounas (ARAB) - Bordeaux to Napoli
    Dani Alves (BRAZILIAN BROWN) - Juventus to Paris Saint-Germain


    Corentin Tolisso (BLACK) - Lyon to Bayern Munich
    Kingsley Coman (BLACK) - Juventus to Bayern Munich
    Nabil Bentaleb (ARAB) - Spurs to Schalke 04
    Mehdi Benatia (ARAB) - Bayern Munich to Juventus
    Jean-Kevin Augustin (BLACK) - Paris Saint-Germain to RB Leipzig
    Ignacio Camacho - Malaga to Wolfsburg
    Matthias Ginter - Borussia Dortmund to Borussia Monchengladbach
    Jonathan de Guzman (BLACK) - Napoli to Eintracht Frankfurt
    James Rodriguez - Real Madrid to Bayern Munich - Loan
    Ron-Robert Zieler - Leicester City to Stuttgart
    Havard Nordtveit - West Ham United to 1899 Hoffenheim
    Luiz Gustavo (BLACK) - Wolfsburg to Marseille
  2. Jack Lambert

    Jack Lambert Hall of Famer

    Jan 3, 2009
    Thanks for getting the thread started, Rebajlo!

    I'll put an excerpt from the qualifying thread on a transfer in this thread.

    I saw Chelsea just signed useless bumbling black "German" Antonio Rudiger for 34 million pounds... wtf? The guy was declared by analysts during the Confed Cup final as being a potential big weakness for the German team, yet now he's allegedly "good" enough to suit up for the Premier League Champs, and with Joachim Loew in charge, will likely have a seat with the German national team until the end of time.

    I'm glad to see Bayern getting rid of the Arab Benitia. And the James Rodriguez signing should hopefully keep Tiago on the bench... or Tiago could come in for Vidal... I really don't care which of those two is on the pitch. I wonder if they'll be replacing Ribery and Robben soon? Those guys are holdovers from a bygone era where Bayern was made up of white superstars and are getting fairly old.
  3. Rebajlo

    Rebajlo Mentor

    Nov 9, 2009
    N.S.W. - Australia
    Jack -

    Glad to be of service, mate. :)

    Well, Rudiger definitely wasn’t someone I expected Chelsea to sign…but we live in a strange world which is becoming stranger by the minute. The transfer was a nifty bit of business for Roma, who have made an immediate profit of just over £21 million or so a year after signing Rudiger from VfB Stuttgart.

    Here are some more transfers...

    Wojciech Szczesny - Arsenal to Juventus
    Alvaro Morata - Real Madrid to Chelsea
    Isaiah Brown (BLACK) - Chelsea to Brighton and Hove Albion - LOAN
    Phil Bardsley - Stoke City to Burnley
    Cuco Martina (BLACK) - Southampton to Everton
    Andrew Robertson - Hull City to Liverpool
    Danilo (BRAZILIAN BROWN) - Real Madrid to Manchester City
    Benjamin Mendy (BLACK) - AS Monaco to Manchester City
    Nolito - Manchester City to Sevilla
    Javier Manquillo - Atletico Madrid to Newcastle United
    Jacob Murphy (BLACK) - Norwich City to Newcastle United
    Yoan Gouffran (BLACK) - Newcastle United to Goztepe
    Kurt Zouma (BLACK) - Chelsea to Stoke City - LOAN
    Glenn Whelan - Stoke City to Aston Villa
    Federico Fazio - Tottenham Hotspur to Roma
    Joe Hart - Manchester City to West Ham United - LOAN
    Javier Hernandez - Bayer Leverkusen to West Ham United
    Marko Arnautovic - Stoke City to West Ham United

    Lucas Biglia - Lazio to AC Milan
    Mattia De Sciglio - AC Milan to Juventus
    Federico Bernardeschi - Fiorentina to Juventus
    Aleksandar Kolarov - Manchester City to AS Roma
    Rafik Zekhnini (ARAB) - Odd Grenland to Fiorentina

    Pablo Fornals - Malaga to Villarreal

    Fabian Schar - TSG 1899 Hoffenheim to Deportivo La Coruna
  4. Rebajlo

    Rebajlo Mentor

    Nov 9, 2009
    N.S.W. - Australia
    Here's my reply to a post Heretic made in the 2018 World Cup Qualifying thread:

    Heretic -

    By the time he turned eighteen, Lukaku had scored 31 goals for Anderlecht over two seasons. If he was White, every Caste Football member who pays even the slightest attention to football would have been lauding him as a promising young talent.

    Lukaku moved to Chelsea as an eighteen year old in 2011 and spent virtually all of his first season in England playing for the reserves, only appearing eight times (one start and seven as a substitute) for the first team and failing to score a single goal. The following season, he was loaned to West Brom, where he scored 17 league goals in 35 appearances, fifteen of which were as a substitute. The season after that, he was on loan again, this time at Everton, where he managed 15 league goals in 31 games. Those performances earned Lukaku a £28 million move to Goodison Park at the end of the 2013-14 campaign.

    In terms of league goals, Lukaku’s first season as a full Everton player was disappointing, for he only managed 10 in 36 games but was quite prolific in the Europa League, netting 8 times in 9 outings. The next two seasons were far more successful, with Lukaku scoring 18 and 25 goals respectively. Once again, if he was White, you and other race-conscious football fans would doubtlessly be lauding his move to Manchester United but perhaps questioning the size of the transfer fee.

    In my humble opinion, Lukaku may be a decent enough signing for United in terms of the comparatively porous defences of the Premier League but he obviously lacks the world-class ability required to beat the elite clubs his new team shall potentially face in the knockout stages of the Champions League.

    A lot depends on how well Lukaku copes with the pressure and expectation associated with a £75 million transfer to a club of Manchester United’s stature. Those innate pressures and expectations are becoming increasingly amplified by United’s failure to win a championship during the four seasons following Alex Ferguson’s departure. Things may therefore go sour very quickly if Lukaku doesn’t score regularly, particularly if United aren’t winning games.

    As I said in my earlier post, I naturally hope Lukaku fails miserably.

    You cited James Wilson as an example of a White player who is denied starting opportunities by a system which favours blacks. Now, everyone here probably knows that I strongly believe English clubs should utilise English players (just to clear up any potential “misconceptions”, when I say “English” I mean “White”) and that the number of foreigners of any colour should be severely limited to three per club. But this is not how the Premier League operates, so let’s examine Wilson’s situation objectively…

    Wilson scored two goals on his senior debut as a nineteen year old in the penultimate Premier League match of 2013-14. The following season, Wilson was behind Wayne Rooney, Robin van Persie, and Radamel Falcao in the pecking order of strikers. He made two starts, came on eleven times as a substitute and scored one goal.

    In 2015-16, Wilson was loaned to Championship side Brighton and Hove Albion. He made his debut as a substitute, scored in the first two games he started but only managed three more goals during the rest of the season. Keep in mind that he was playing in the second-tier competition. Wilson’s appearances were almost evenly split between starting and coming on as a substitute, and he missed a game or two through injuries. His lack of goals at a lower level was obviously the main reason Louis van Gaal opted not to recall Wilson when Wayne Rooney was injured for two months.

    I’ve just looked up the Manchester United squad stats for 2015-16. The Negro Anthony Martial may be grossly overrated but nevertheless managed to score 11 Premier League goals that season - in addition to 2 in the FA Cup and 3 in Europe. The then 18-year old black Marcus Rashford netted 5 Premier League goals in 11 matches in addition to scoring in the FA Cup and in Europe. Yet Wilson could only get five goals for Brighton in the League Championship. Can you see what I’m getting at…

    Last season, Wilson was again loaned to a Championship club, this time Derby County. He made four goalless appearances before unfortunately suffering an ACL injury during training, which kept him out for the rest of the campaign.

    It’s conveniently simple to just sit back and automatically dismiss every black player as a “clown”, “security guard”, or “flop” simply because they are black. Such an attitude makes for quick and easy “analysis” but is about as blindly biased and embarrassingly deficient in credibility as the very worst elements of the hated “mainstream media” which relentlessly promote and lionise Negroes and other non-Whites.
  5. Heretic

    Heretic Master

    May 1, 2015
    I don't necessarily buy the argument that because Wilson didn't produce well at second-tier competition on loan that it proves he's ineffective. There are many other potential factors involved. Some rhetorical questions that come to my mind are...are their trainers, coaches, managers and facilities on par with ManU's? Is the formation they are using conducive to Wilson's strengths? When Wilson performed well, what formation was being used? Perhaps some of these second-tier programs have excellent White players, in some cases better than some of the black players that get promoted, yet they have to serve a "racial apprenticeship" (which is very common in the NFL in America) so their strength and skill may be underestimated.

    Also, minutes played is probably a better indicator than starts or games played:

    Just for 2015-2016, comparing Wilson to Martial, they are roughly equal (in minutes per goal):
    • Martial
      • 4610 minutes played, 17 goals, 271 mins/goal
    • Wilson
      • 1387 minutes played, 5 goals, 277 mins/goal
    Wilson always seemed a little skittish to me when I saw ManU play him, as though he felt an urgency to produce immediately or get yanked. The "leash" for White players is very short in American sports, especially college and NFL Football. If the White player does produce almost immediately he's labeled a "bust" and taken off the field, perhaps forever.

    I'm not trying to make excuses for Wilson, I'm just very cynical when it comes to how White players are treated compared to blacks. At this point, I hope Wilson's confidence is not "shot" at the young age of 21 and that he can come back from his injury stronger than ever and get the same chance to succeed as his black counterparts, especially in "minutes played". Also, "Wilson" is really just a "metaphor" for any English (Anglo) player at the same position.
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2017
  6. ThePhilosopher

    ThePhilosopher Mentor

    Oct 24, 2012
    First off,thanks Rebaljo,that list must have taken time,especially classifying those players.

    Regarding Rudiger,its clear that there is a concerted effort by the jew owned teams to fill their teams to the brim with blacks,which will inevitably result in more black stars.Also do note that Rudiger is replacement for Zouma,the black center back who flopped(and has been loaned out now),so of course his successor had to be black.ManU is on a specific mission to single-handedly ensure that all of the top-ten transfers involve blacks.Martial first,Pogba next and now Lukaku.

    Still a really horrible return for the third costliest player in the world.And I am pretty sure 4-5 of those 11 goals were in the first few games he played,when no one had figured him out yet.He's been distinctly average since.11 goals isn't really that much in today's EPL,where leaky defences are the norm.Pogba has been a spectacular flop,especially considering that he is the costliest player of all time.

    Lukaku however is a different case altogether.Can't make a 5-yard square pass without messing it up,but he will score a dozen and more goals every season.Lets face it,he's what we call a 'natural goalscorer',not much unlike Darren Bent or Jermain Defoe,though of course Lukaku is clearly better and scores more often.And of course,such players have their limitations,and Lukaku will never be an elite striker from what I can see.

    For 50m this is a scandal,as Walker can't defend to save his life,his 'attacking' skill is limited to being able to run fast,as of course crossing is beyond the ability of blacks.

    And for 60m this is now the highest transfer fee ever paid for a defender.For a shaky black full back from France.Let that sink in.
  7. Heretic

    Heretic Master

    May 1, 2015
    ManU did sign White midfielder, Nemanja Matic. Most DWFs on Twitter were panning it. One DWF did, however, say it was a great signing because he will "unleash" Pogba o_O ...
  8. Rebajlo

    Rebajlo Mentor

    Nov 9, 2009
    N.S.W. - Australia
    Davy Propper - PSV Eindhoven to Brighton and Hove Albion
    George Thomas - Coventry City to Leicester City
    Nemanja Matic - Chelsea to Manchester United
    Kelechi Iheanacho (BLACK) - Manchester City to Leicester City
    Fernando (BLACK) - Manchester City to Galatasaray
    Mario Lemina (BLACK) - Juventus to Southampton
    Bruno Martins Indi (BLACK) - FC Porto to Stoke City
    Andre Gray (BLACK) - Burnley to Watford
    Steven Berghuis - Watford to Feyenoord
    Ashley Fletcher (BLACK) - West Ham United to Middlesbrough
    Gaston Ramirez - Middlesbrough to Sampdoria
    Martyn Waghorn - Rangers to Ipswich Town
    Sebastian Larsson - Sunderland to Hull City
    Jeremain Lens (BLACK) - Sunderland to Besiktas - LOAN

    Neymar (BRAZILIAN BROWN) - Barcelona to Paris Saint-Germain
    Simon Kjaer - Fenerbahce to Sevilla
    Ryad Boudebouz (ARAB) - Montpellier to Real Betis
    Alvaro Negredo - Valencia to Besiktas

    Felipe Caicedo (BLACK) - Espanyol to Lazio
    Bram Nuytinck - Anderlecht to Udinese
    Nicolas Nkoulou (BLACK) - Lyon to Torino - LOAN
    Gary Medel (MESTIZO) - Internazionale to Besiktas

    Johan Djourou (BLACK) - SV Hamburg to Antalyaspor
    Emanuel Mammana - Lyon to Zenit Saint Petersburg
    Jonathan Cafu (BLACK) - Ludogorets Razgrad to Bordeaux
  9. Rebajlo

    Rebajlo Mentor

    Nov 9, 2009
    N.S.W. - Australia
    Heretic -

    At the outset, permit me to say it’s unambiguously clear that blacks and other non-Whites have been deliberately forced into English football since the 1980s. I’ve held forth about the subject on innumerable occasions since joining Caste Football back in 2009 and one of my first posts about it became an article on the old home page. You’d be hard pressed to find a more ardent and long-standing advocate than myself of the right of English and British players to play in English and British teams. But despite the natural biases which spring from my, well, ultra-hard core racism, I nevertheless believe that the only legitimate analysis is objective analysis and therefore approach every situation individually and judge every player strictly upon his on-field performances.

    Everyone on the planet knows that the “trainers, coaches, managers and facilities” in the Championship aren’t “on par” with those of Manchester United. But - this is the important bit - neither are those of any of the clubs Wilson faced in the second-tier competition.

    The Championship is a 24-club league, which means the talent pool of players outside the - for want of a better phrase - “top teams” is thinly spread and that some of the clubs are truly lightweight. The season in which Wilson was with Brighton & Hove Albion, the Championship included the likes of Milton Keynes Dons (who were in the second-tier for the first time and were promptly relegated straight back to League One), Rotherham United (who finished 21st but were inevitably relegated at the end of the following season), Brentford, Preston North End, Bristol City, Charlton Athletic (also relegated in 2015-16…), and Huddersfield Town (yes, I know, Huddersfield have just been promoted to the Premier League…to play in the top-flight for the first time since all the way back in 1972. Let’s see how they fare, shall we…). Last season, tiny Burton Albion made their first ever appearance in the second-tier, while Barnsley resurfaced in the Championship after two seasons in League One. Hell, even my Peterborough United (with that gargantuan stadium capacity of 15,314) have copped three seasons of embarrassing beltings in the Championship (2009-10, 2011-12, 2012-13) since the turn of this century before slipping back into the third tier for what promises to be a long time.

    The parameters of English football are not those of “American sports”, particularly the NFL. Firstly, the Premier League and lower leagues feature promotion and relegation which means that clubs are able to move between divisions if they prove to be good enough. Secondly, lower tier clubs have the opportunity to compete against those of the “elite” Premier League in the FA Cup and League Cup tournaments.

    Clubs play in their respective divisions for one reason - their results. And those results are dictated by the ability of their playing personnel. Sure, good management can make a difference by deploying players in a manner which allows them to achieve their collective potential, or at least to perform at as close to their maximum ability as possible. Yet even the most starry-eyed romantic will derisively scoff at the notion that, let’s say, Alex Ferguson, could take charge of the current Exeter City squad (League Two), make no signings, and consistently match it with Premier League or Championship clubs in competitive games.

    In the Cup tournaments, Premier League clubs often put out weakened sides containing fringe squad players or players from the reserves, many of whom are between the ages of eighteen and twenty one. Yet they still beat Championship teams most of the time.

    In the second round of last season’s League Cup, Premier League “giants” Swansea City fielded a watered down side against Peterborough United - and still managed to win 3-1 away. Arsenal used Negro-laden “development” lineups in their third and fourth round wins against Championship opposition (4-0 versus Nottingham Forest and 2-0 versus promotion-chasing Reading) before coming unstuck against Southampton in the quarterfinals.

    Only two non-Premier League clubs reached the quarterfinals. Leeds had avoided playing top-flight opposition until they lost 2-0 to a Liverpool side loaded with reserves, while heavily black eventual Championship winners Newcastle United went out on penalties following a 1-1 draw with Hull City (who were relegated from the Premier League at the end of the season after finishing third last).

    In the insular NFL, White American players are vying against American Negroes and a few coconut heads. The situation in the Premier League and - to a far lesser extent - the Football League is wholly different. English players aren’t just competing with British-born Negroes - they are also competing with players from all over the world. Just over a third of the blacks one sees on the field in every Premier League round were born in England. The majority of Negroes are sourced from Europe and Africa, and are supplemented by South American, Caribbean and even North American blacks.

    English players are also displaced from starting lineups by European Whites (something which I disapprove of as well…), who form about two thirds of the White contingent in every Premier League round. You won’t find players like Sergio Aguero, Eden Hazard, Pedro, Nemanja Matic, Kevin De Bruyne, Olivier Giroud, Juan Mata, Ander Herrera, Alexis Sanchez, Diego Costa, David Silva, Philippe Coutinho, or Roberto Firmino in the Championship. A striker on loan to a Championship club certainly won’t face defenders of the calibre of Cesar Azpilicueta, Marcos Alonso, David Luiz, Jan Vertonghen, Toby Alderweireld, Pablo Zabaleta, Aleksandar Kolarov, Nicolas Otamendi, Laurent Koscielny, Nacho Monreal, Hector Bellerin, Ramiro Funes Mori, Cedric Soares, Dusan Tadic, or even Christian Fuchs nor will he have to beat goalkeepers such as David de Gea, Simon Mignolet, Thibaut Courtois, or Petr Cech.

    You do know that the lower division clubs aren’t solely filled with Englishmen (i.e. White Anglo-Saxons) and have numerous Negroes of both “British” and foreign provenance on their books, don’t you? If many of the black players in the Premier League are of patently sub-standard ability, then what about those in the Championship who are deemed not good enough for the top flight? Lower-tier lineups are strewn with Negroes who’ve been rejected by Premier League clubs.

    I’ve looked over the lineups of the Saturday matches of last weekend’s opening round. Here are the numbers of non-White starters (black unless otherwise noted):

    Ipswich Town: 4 - Birmingham City: 6

    Bristol City: 3 - Barnsley: 2

    Burton Albion: 3 - Cardiff City: 5 +1 half-Filipino

    Fulham: 5 - Norwich City: 1

    Preston North End: 3 - Sheffield Wednesday: All White

    Queens Park Rangers: 3 + 1 half-Asian - Reading: 3

    Sheffield United: 1 + 1 half-Moroccan - Brentford: 3

    Wolves: 3 + 1 Moroccan - Middlesbrough: 5

    Aston Villa: 2 +1 Arab +1 half-Indian - Hull City: 4

    How many “excellent White players” serving a “racial apprenticeship” do “these second-tier programs” produce? Would you care to name a few? I don’t mean to sound smug, arrogant, patronising or anything but I’m just wondering when was the last time you watched a Championship or League One match or whether you actually follow the lower divisions at all?

    For argument’s sake, let’s say there are sixty British (i.e. predominantly English but also Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish) and Irish players in the Championship who could seamlessly slot into most Premier League starting lineups to replace a non-White or a non-British / non-Irish White “import”. That’s sixty players spread across a 24-team league, which equates to 2.5 players per team. Let’s also very generously say that there are a dozen non-British / non-Irish Whites in the Championship who fulfil the same criterion, which for convenient ease of calculation lifts the total of Premier League-standard Whites to seventy two, or exactly three per team.

    Naturally, such players are not so evenly distributed between each club and a majority would be concentrated in various teams from the top two thirds of the table. Does that sound reasonable? Then we could say that teams in the top half of the table might have - at most - three, four, or perhaps five players of “Premier League quality” on the field at any time. Correct? Keeping all of what I have written above in mind, let’s examine your quote:

    Now, scientific statistical analysis is great. But who were those goals scored against? ****** if I can remember (or be bothered to remember…) such specific details so I’ve had a squiz at the records and here are the facts…

    The criminally over-priced and dreadfully over-rated Anthony Martial scored his 17 goals against the following opposition:

    Premier League - Liverpool, Southampton (2), Norwich City, Swansea City, Stoke City, Sunderland, Everton, Leicester City, West Ham United (2)

    FA Cup - West Ham United, Everton

    League Cup - Ipswich Town (a Championship club)

    Champions League Group Stage - CSKA Moscow, VfL Wolfsburg (who happened to reach the quarterfinals of the tournament that season…)

    Europa League - Liverpool

    Wilson’s goals, however, all came against Championship sides:

    Charlton Athletic, Derby County, Huddersfield Town, Reading, Derby County

    So, which of those defences do you believe - on average - to be the more difficult to breach? Sure, Martial was playing for Manchester United but Wilson’s Brighton finished third in the Championship so we can safely apply apposite proportional relativism.
  10. Deceptive Speed

    Deceptive Speed Mentor

    Jul 19, 2014
    Not much positivity to note on Man U, but Mourinho does seem to favor (white englishman) Phil Jones at CB this year. LB Luke Shaw seems to be in Mourinho's doghouse for some reason, but a white will still start in Daley Blind. Also, white spaniards Juan Mata, and Ander Herrera should start a good amount of games if not most.
  11. Deceptive Speed

    Deceptive Speed Mentor

    Jul 19, 2014

    Rebajlo, regarding other European whites replacing English whites in the PL. I personally wish there were more white English talent, but the PL is a World-class league! If you look at La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, you will see many other foreign whites. Although I agree the PL does have the least "homegrown" players out of Europes top 5, and could be way better. Look at the best teams in europes other top leagues (Real M, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Juventus etc.) notice they all have usually just a core of "homegrowns" with mainly foreign talent. For me as long as the PL team has a core of white Englishmen (2,3,4) i'm fine with other world-class whites. Totally agree the English PL has too many blacks IMO.

    Quite simply the Championship has more English talent, because unfortunately its not a world-class league.
  12. Rebajlo

    Rebajlo Mentor

    Nov 9, 2009
    N.S.W. - Australia
    The transfer window slammed shut on the 31st of August.

    Below is a list of players who moved to and between Premier League clubs...

    Ezequiel Schelotto - Sporting Lisbon to Brighton & Hove Albion
    Tim Krul - Newcastle United to Brighton & Hove Albion - LOAN
    Jose Izquierdo (BLACK) - Club Brugge to Brighton & Hove Albion

    Chris Wood - Leeds United to Burnley
    Nahki Wells (BLACK) - Huddersfield Town to Burnley

    Danny Drinkwater - Leicester City to Chelsea
    Davide Zappacosta - Torino to Chelsea

    Mamadou Sakho (BLACK) - Liverpool to Crystal Palace
    Timothy Fosu-Mensah (BLACK) - Manchester United to Crystal Palace - LOAN

    Gylfi Sigurdsson - Swansea City to Everton
    Nikola Vlasic - Hajduk Split to Everton

    Robert Green - Leeds United to Huddersfield Town
    Abdelhamid Sabiri (ARAB) - FC Nurnberg to Huddersfield Town

    Aleksandar Dragovic - Bayer Leverkusen to Leicester City - LOAN

    Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (BLACK) - Arsenal to Liverpool

    Joselu - Stoke City to Newcastle United

    Wesley Hoedt - Lazio to Southampton

    Jese Rodriguez - Paris Saint-Germain to Stoke City - LOAN
    Kevin Wimmer - Tottenham Hotspur to Stoke City
    Wilfried Bony (BLACK) - Manchester City to Swansea City
    Renato Sanches (BLACK) - Bayern Munich to Swansea City - LOAN

    Fernando Llorente - Swansea City to Tottenham Hotspur
    Juan Foyth - Estudiantes to Tottenham Hotspur
    Serge Aurier (BLACK) - Paris Saint-Germain to Tottenham Hotspur
    Davinson Sanchez (BLACK) - Ajax Amsterdam to Tottenham Hotspur

    Richarlison (MESTIZO) - Fluminense to Watford
    Dimitri Foulquier (BLACK) - Granada to Watford
    Marvin Zeegelaar (BLACK) - Sporting Lisbon to Watford
    Molla Wague (BLACK) - Udinese to Watford - LOAN
    Orestis Karnezis - Udinese to Watford

    Gareth Barry - Everton to West Bromwich Albion
    Grzegorz Krychowiak - Paris Saint-Germain to West Bromwich Albion - LOAN
    Oliver Burke - RB Leipzig to West Bromwich Albion
    Kieran Gibbs (BLACK) - Arsenal to West Bromwich Albion
  13. Rebajlo

    Rebajlo Mentor

    Nov 9, 2009
    N.S.W. - Australia
    Deceptive Speed -

    Yes, the Premier League is a “world class” competition but that’s no excuse for such an embarrassingly small proportion of English participants. A mere 48 White players eligible to represent England were starters in the last round, the full breakdown of which can be found here:

    That’s 48 Englishmen out of 220 starters, which equates to a feeble 21.818 %. Now, let’s compare this shamefully low number with a tally of Spanish starters in the last round of La Liga…

    Real Sociedad: 8
    Villarreal: 7
    Real Betis: 7
    Celta Vigo: 6
    Alaves: 8
    Barcelona: 7
    Girona: 9
    Malaga: 7
    Levante: 9
    Deportivo La Coruña: 3
    Las Palmas: 7
    Atletico Madrid: 2
    Eibar: 7
    Athletic Bilbao: 9
    Espanyol: 7
    Leganes: 7
    Getafe: 4
    Sevilla: 3
    Real Madrid: 4
    Valencia: 5

    Like the Premier League, La Liga is a “world class” twenty team competition. But as you can see, the number of Spanish starters came to 126 out of 220, or 57.272 %. That’s a difference of 78 “native” players - which is the gross numerical equivalent of just over seven full teams. In the context of the England national team, the obvious implications of such a vast disparity are genuinely frightening…

    You mentioned that the top European clubs are mainly stacked with foreigners and contain only small “cores” of “homegrown” players. That may generally be correct but the difference between the “biggest” English clubs and their continental counterparts is quite pointed. These days, Chelsea, Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, and Arsenal are lucky to start one Englishman each. Spurs might start two or three.

    In contrast, both Real Madrid and Barcelona will customarily field at least three Spaniards in their elevens. In the last round of the Bundesliga prior to the international break, Bayern Munich started four Germans in their 2-0 victory over Werder Bremen (whose eleven featured five Germans). Borussia Dortmund’s starting lineup against Hertha Berlin contained three Germans, while that of their opponents had four. Turning to Serie A, Juventus started three Italians in their 4-2 win over Genoa (four Italians).

    When was the last time that Chelsea, Manchester City or Arsenal had more than two Englishmen on the field at any one time? ;) Arsenal haven’t fielded three Englishmen concurrently since probably sometime in 2003 when David Seaman, Martin Keown, Ray Parlour, and Francis Jeffers (anyone remember him?) were on the payroll...
  14. Deceptive Speed

    Deceptive Speed Mentor

    Jul 19, 2014
    Agreed, the English Premier League is behind the other "top" leagues (besides Ligue 1) in terms of "Home-Grown" players, White Englishmen.. I was merely trying to state that the PL is not the only league with many foreigners.. On a possitive note, at least the English PL is better than France's Ligue 1! Ligue 1 may have more "home-grown" players, but I would say (not for sure) 60-70% of Ligue 1 French players are Black...

    Regarding Chelsea, Man City, and Arsenal, they don't look good by any means, but they have played more than 1 white Englishmen at a time last season.. Not by much, but I see them looking better this year:

    - Last season Gary Cahill, and John Terry (now at Aston Villa) started some games early in the season. Chelsea signed Danny Drinkwater last week! I expect Cahill, and Drinkwater to start some games together this season!

    - Last season, Welsh Aaron Ramsey (not English, but British atleast), and Rob Holding started some games together! This season I think Calum Chambers, and Jack Wilshere hopefully will see some time together, along with Rob Holding in the mix!

    Manchester City
    - Last season John Stones was the only white Englishmen to see a lick of playing time..This season, I believe John Stones, and future-star Phil Foden started a game together in Pre-season! Hopefully we see that partnership again some time this season..Patrick Roberts started a couple pre-season games as well, although he's been loaned back out to Celtic now..

    Just trying to stay positive, England definitely has work to do... England need to find replacements for their old white stars: Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Owen, Scholes, and soon Rooney... More and more English Blacks are being developed, when the best and most successful English players have always been white.
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2017
  15. Rebajlo

    Rebajlo Mentor

    Nov 9, 2009
    N.S.W. - Australia
    Deceptive Speed -

    The Premier League is indeed far “Whiter” and contains far more “home grown” players than France’s Ligue 1…but that’s not saying much, because French football has been a racial debacle since the 1980s. ;) I never even bother to look over the lineups of French clubs therefore cannot authoritatively comment on the exact proportions of Negroes, Arabs, and other freakish mongrels in relation to Whites within that contemptible organisation. The merest glimpse of a Ligue 1 match makes me sick…

    I know you’re admirably trying to stay positive :thumbsup: but - in my opinion - anything less than three English starters at clubs which regularly compete in the Champions League is categorically unacceptable.

    As I said in my last post, the implications for the national team are dire. England’s continuing lack of success can at least partially be explained when one compares the large pools of Spanish, Italian, and German players boasting extended Champions League experience from which the managers of those respective national teams can make their selections with the tiny number of Englishmen who satisfy the said criterion. The England manager literally has a minuscule group of White players with genuine elite European club competition experience to choose from, whereas his Spanish, Italian, and German counterparts have an infinitely wider choice of players from which they pick their squads.

    The situation is exacerbated by the fact that no English players are with top foreign clubs which participate in the Champions League. Spain, on the other hand, has plenty of players in the starting elevens of not only the biggest English clubs, but throughout the Premier League. For example, Chelsea started five Spaniards (Cesar Azpilicueta, Marcos Alonso, Alvaro Morata, Cesc Fabregas, and Pedro) in their 2-1 win at Leicester on Saturday while Manchester United started David de Gea and Ander Herrera in their 2-2 draw at Stoke, in addition to bringing on Juan Mata as a second half substitute.

    You mentioned Patrick Roberts, who’s now on loan to Celtic from Manchester City for a second season. Roberts is the sole Englishman who plays for a non-English club that will appear in the Champions League. Celtic may be perennial giants in the weak Scottish Premiership - particularly since Rangers went bust in 2012 before being resurrected in the depths of League Two - but they are second-rate (or is that third-rate...) in Europe. Barring miracles, the most they can hope for is third place in Group B (Bayern Munich, Paris Saint-German, Anderlecht). Provided he gets game time, at least Roberts will gain some experience against genuinely top-class opposition, which is more than he would achieve on loan to a Championship club.

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