Non-white footballers you admire

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  1. Porthos

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    I'm not sure whether "US are about 10-15 years behind in this department". I would say the US is ahead of the pack in these things.
    In Europe you have laws that forbid certain type of discourse outright which the US still doesn't have. However, in Europe people seem to be more politically incorrect in personal discussions, behavior and attitude. There is no such social stigma in holding openly racialist views in many areas Europe as it is here in the US.
    I read some news comment posts regarding the Suarez/Terry situation. Although the "news" and the "journalists" (i.e. the elites) support the verdict 100% and are condemning Suarez, at least 80/90% of the reader's posts (fans) support the player and talk about political correctness running amok and whites becoming the victims of the system. You can see a definite fracture between the elites and the people on the street. As as sport, even with all this relentless "anti-racism" campaign, soccer/football is still a refuge for politically incorrect behavior, especially for fans in certain areas (Eastern Europe, Southern Europe). Banana throwing, monkey sounds to black players, politically incorrect banners with Celtic Crosses and even Swastikas in some cases are still pretty common. Also, the fans of some teams (Lazio, Zenit St. Petersburg in Russia, Hajduk Split, some Serbian teams, Greek teams and many others) are known to be very politicized, nationalistic, right wing and often openly racialist (see for example this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkHw9F6txxI&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1 ) . English and Northern/Western European fans (who were pretty aggressive in the 70s/80s) seem have fallen far behind for now. I see some of these football fan organizations spearheading the Whites when/if large scale racial disorders start in Europe (which I think is only a matter of time in some countries).

    I don't see anything this kind of things happening in American Sports which are pure "entertainment" (while soccer/football in many areas of Europe goes well beyond "entertainment") The worship of the "black super athlete" reigns supreme in the US.
    To conclude - as a person that has lived in both places, the impression is that in Europe the regimes controlled by anti-White elites are desperately trying (for now unsuccessfully) to police the population. In the US the population seems to be overwhelmingly sedated and is (for now successfully) policing itself.
     
  2. Matra2

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    Actually, cultural Marxism came from America to Europe after WW2 starting with US-occupied Germany.

    On Suarez I just found out yesterday from the below at the Daily Telegraph that Evra made a reference to Suarez being a South American.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ty-of-racially-abusing-Patrice-Evra-live.html
     
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    yes, and uruguayans try to ask for the same suspension for evra
    they also say that they were the first team in the world to have blacks , wich is true, because they had brazilian slaves who couldn't play for brazil
    the first black allowed to play soccer in brazil was arthur friedenreich, and he was allowed because his father was a white brazilian (of german origin)

    diego lugano once again showed that he was a classy player, and a man of honor
    he defended suarez: http://diegolugano.org/--no-lo-puedo-creer--.html
    he said nothing special, but he is one of the few to say something for him (cavani, gargano, godin, abreu, said something too)

    evra's facebook page is being flooded with insulting messages from uruguayans
    http://www.facebook.com/patriceevrafootballer?sk=wall&filter=12 (you can see it without being online on facebook)

    also before the match against wigan everyone had a suarez tshirt
    http://www.elobservador.com.uy/noticia/215531/los-companeros-de-suarez-le-dieron-todo-su-apoyo/


    i agree that having racist suporter shows that the population is not as brain-dead as in other countries, but some of these suporters are dumb, i hate fights between suporters ect

    also throwing a banana is a healthy act for a white suporter, but since your club can be marked down for this, it shouldn't be done
    otherwise, "they" will force your club to have more colored players, to teach you tolerance
    far right groups of suporters should stop the fights in the stadiums, and also get rid of the "skinhead" look i think

    they can train to be able to fight though (every white should do it)

    nazi flags or local flags, i have no problem against this ofcourse, it should be like that in every stadium

    i agree
    i can tell you it won't happen in france though :biggrin:





    forlan's reaction to the suarez case:

    "the serious problem about discrimination, not only racism nowadays, it will be only control with fines as inadmisible and inappropriate as the one imposed to our beloved team mate Luis Suárez ?

    There's a time and a place for everything. Time will tell Forza Luis"
     
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  5. Porthos

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    I understand, but boys will be boys. They should fight and be able to bear pain. When I was a boy, we were fighting all the time. Today, if my sons just push somebody with a finger, the school calls the police. They are turning boys "girly".


    I know what you mean, but sometimes you have to show you are alive and not a zombie, even if there are consequences. Let "them" know...

    Unfortunately, in France the black man took over football (our sport) to such an extent that relatively few whites even follow it anymore, let alone play it. I think now rugby is the white-man's sport in France.
     
  6. foobar75

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    Porthos, thank you for your perspective on the state of affairs in Europe. I should clarify my comments with regards to my 10-15 year time reference. What I mean to say is that that's how long I see before official laws are passed in America which will make it a crime to say or deny certain things. For instance, right now, if a player calls another player or fan a "f@ggot" (happened a couple of times in the NBA last year), he will not be charged with a crime, but instead face a huge monetary fine and issue many formal apologies and ask for forgiveness or risk ruination. In the future, that same player will be prosecuted for breaking some hate-crime law, in addition to all the other punishment.

    As for the disconnect between the common folks and elites, it's actually happening in America as well. You can see this in the comments section of an article or story, (as you mentiond in Europe also), and the people will take the politically incorrect side, which is refreshing to see. They are waking up in large numbers, but as we are discussing in another thread, American Whites have reached a point of no return as far doing something more substantial about this.
     
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    Well, since it has emerged that Luis Suarez's grandfather was black I'll have to count the fellow as a black - his "blackness" is therefore technically identical to that of Ryan Giggs.

    As frederic38 stated, if anything Suarez appears to possess a mestizo strain but phenotypes produced by mixing races can be capricious indeed. Let's use Ryan Giggs and his brother Rhodri as examples (white mother / mulatto father):

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    Rhodri Giggs' features are far more Negroid than those of his older brother Ryan.

    A truly disconcerting aspect of the Suarez affair is how Kenny Dalglish and everyone at Liverpool FC are constantly emphasising the "anti-racist" credentials of both the Uruguayan and the club to the point of PC hysteria - the same PC hysteria which characterises the attacks on Suarez by "Sir" Alex Ferguson, Manchester United and the FA.
     
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    i don't mean to troll but for me, abreu and suarez are mestizos

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    here is a picture of suarez with his brothers and mother
    they might have black blood (i'm not even sure for suarez) but they should be counted as mestizos
    i agree to count giggs as black though, because europe is different



    another example of differences in race-perception in south america:
    arabs in europe should count as arabs, but not in south america
    otherwise highuain, brazilian legend zagallo, lucas leiva, argentine legend gabriel batistuta, and a lot of other players, are partly arab (but catholic arabs)


    also david silva is part japanese, i don't know if you saw it the first time i posted it, or maybe you decided to still count him as white because he is mainly white

    (by the way uruguayan lodeiro is fully white, of spanish (galician) origin
    i say this because i said before that he was "relatively white")
     
  9. Giles Daldanus

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    I have to say that I never expected that and am quite shocked that he was given 8 games…Suarez probably made a mistake in admitting that he used the word “negro”, but it seems as if Evra also referred to him in an insulting manner – “Do not touch me, sudaca”. There is now a lot of talk regarding the need for foreign players to undergo “cultural sensitivity” training.

    To put it in perspective:

    Weidenfeller vs. Asamoah:

    http://www.modernghana.com/news2/141707/2/keeper-banned-for-asamoah-slur.html

    What Weidenfeller said was more insulting and there was no ambiguity about it, but he was banned for 3 games (though of course the German Football Federation has its own rules).

    Also, this red card was recently rescinded and the keeper will not have to miss any games:

    [video=youtube;6GNb0wO5z1Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GNb0wO5z1Q[/video]

    Of course the fan had absolutely no business being on the pitch and attacking the goalkeeper, but Alvarado lost his temper and could have seriously hurt the Ajax supporter. You cannot become a vigilante on the football turf, let security deal with the issue at hand.

    I always try to be polite on the football pitch and understand why the FA does its best to ensure that players behave in a civilized manner, but a vicious tackle (i.e. Roy Keane on Alf-Inge Haaland) should not earn the same suspension as an alleged racial slur that could have been uttered at the heat of the moment.

    Suarez may currently be thinking of joining another club, but I think that he will eventually change his mind (due to the encouragement of the Liverpool supporters) and decide to continue to ply his trade in the Premier League. My prediction is that his ban will be reduced on appeal (to 4 matches and 4 games suspended).

    Merry Christmas to you all! :)
     
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    frederic38 - Thanks for pointing out David Silva's Japanese side - I must have missed Your earlier references. Contrary to what people may think and what my posts may imply, I'm not exactly a huge - or even an average :icon_wink: - football fan these days (I lost my quasi-religious zeal in the late 1990s), but I'm still surprised that this fact managed to elude me.

    I shall henceforth count Silva as a half-Asian. A quick Google images search brought up the following:

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    His mother is definitely Asian. What on earth possesses these White fellows to marry such women? It's a bloody mystery to me...

    This shall push the White percentage in my Premier League calculations down even further. I'm pretty strict in my breakdowns, counting quarter-black Ryan Giggs as a black, quarter-Vietnamese Yohan Cabaye as, well, "quarter-Vietnamese" :lol: and the pneumatic-lipped Johnny Heitinga as a "small-part Indonesian".

    The above photo and that of the young Sebastian Abreu with his father that You posted earlier illustrate the problematic nature of "classifying" people of mixed racial background based solely on appearance. To my eye, Abreu's father is significantly black, yet Abreu looks mestizo, while the porky little kid has Amerindian written all over his well-fed face.

    Looking at Your photo of Luis Suarez with his mother and brothers, one wouldn't even remotely imagine any of them possessing Negro ancestry. But the example of Abreu proves that appearances can be proverbially deceiving. Atavistic elements can pop up from seemingly nowhere.

    Maradona can be cited as an example of certain parts of a "mixed" person's racial ancestry becoming dominant at different stages of life. As a little kid, Maradona looked like a full-on, very heavily Amerindian mestizo. From his mid-teens through his playing prime, he passed as relatively white, while from his thirties onwards the mestizo strain became increasingly apparent once again. His current mug leaves no doubts whatsoever regarding his non-White heritage.

    One of my friends in primary school was a Penarol-mad Uruguayan kid (I, of course, am a Nacional fan...:biggrin:), whose parents both looked unmistakably White. My friend (Spanish surname) possessed the facial features one would expect in a White Uruguayan or Argentine, yet his skin was always deeply tanned. His younger sister, on the other hand, had 100% mestiza features and even darker skin.

    We lost contact after my family moved to a different part of the neighbourhood and my friend attended a Catholic high school but I happened to bump into him after just over twenty years and - lo and behold - he now looked very mestizo...
     
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    nacional suporter?
    you should like coates then

    you didn't heard about silva because american or english media are less obsessed with asians than blacks
    (although australia has a lot of asians)

    in spain there is more propaganda with asians, because there are some asian inmigrants
    i remember this chinese dude on basque TV for example
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcOaDWPIPYc&feature=relmfu


    @giles
    the problem is that if suarez is definitely condemned, liverpool will be forced to sell him, because (especially since they have so many whites) they can't keep a player who has been condemned for a racist slur
    liverpool has great suporters, congratulations to them
    i like english suporters
    i remember a match in 2000 i think in wich manchester lost against real madrid, but they continued singing even when the defeat was unavoidable
     
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    No, mate, not quite true :icon_wink:. I wasn't aware of Silva's "ethnicity" as I don't really have that much interest in football anymore and don't pay attention to lesser news stories such as those which provide "interesting facts" about players backgrounds, hobbies, favourite foods, et cetera, nor do I bother wasting my time watching football discussion shows on TV. If I did, the fact that Silva's mother is Asian wouldn't have escaped my notice... :lol:

    There are more Asians in Australia than most non-Australians imagine - a veritable plague. I can't stand the irritating, rice-gobbling, ping-pong ball-skulled slant-eyed ants...
     
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    Well, well, well...


    FA strips John Terry of England captaincy for second time ahead of Anton Ferdinand race row trial

    Football player John Terry has been stripped of the England captaincy for the second time in his career.

    The defender was called at just before 10am this morning by Football Association chairman David Bernstein to announce the decision of the FA board.

    And it places the FA on a collision course with manager Fabio Capello, who had told the FA he still wanted Terry to be his captain at the European Championships in the summer.

    Capello reiterated that fact to Terry as recently as Thursday night, after news began leaking from the FA that he was facing the sack as England captain.

    Terry will now take time to consider whether he wants to represent his country at all in the summer.

    He will not be rushed into a decision, but is hurt by what he sees as a lack of support from the FA, when he has not been found guilty of any offence.

    Terry is due to stand trial on July 9, accused of racially abusing Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand.

    And since a court date was set for after the European Championships, he has faced repeated calls to be stood down as England captain.

    Capello and Bernstein had both assured Terry that nothing had changed in recent weeks, but the position of the FA board altered when it became plain Terry would play in the European Championships with such a serious offence hanging over him.

    Terry will not play for Chelsea against Manchester United on Sunday, having suffered a knee injury, but is expected to meet Capello who will be at the game, having returned from a brief break in Italy.

    This is the second time Terry has lost the England captaincy in controversial circumstances, but this time Capello was not part of the decision.

    Bernstein told Terry the England manager had not yet been informed of the board’s decision.

    Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rdinand-race-row-trial.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
     
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    I have read some reports that Rio doesn't want the Captaincy. Let's hope that is true. People have been mentioning Parker.

    It's a joke that this has gone so far. Funny thing is I think one of Terry's best friends is Scott Sinclair, who is black.
     
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    Europe - Rio Ferdinand "tweeted" that "given the events" he is not interested in the captaincy and will be happy simply to be selected for the national team.

    Steven Gerrard is being tipped to take over as England captain...
     
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    Looks like Suarez is about to come on for Liverpool against Spurs.

    On the subject of captains for England why not Wayne Rooney? OK, he'l miss the first two matches but he is their best player and he's been around for 7 or 8 years. He's well respected within the dressing room.
     
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    Rooney is a good choice, but I think Capello might think he is too much of a hot head.I don't know about Gerrard or Lampard because they might not even start. I don't know who will been in the midfield in the Euros. Hopefully, Wilshere will get healthy. I think Parker will start.

    Capello said today that he didn't agree with the FA's decision on removing Terry and Capello is taking heat for it from all the commentators. Capello said Terry hasn't even been convicted yet. This shows how bizarre the West has become when you can be convicted of calling someone a name during a soccer game.
     
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    It's good that Capello has decided to stick up for his player and resign, as Terry deserves the benefit of the doubt and nothing has been proven one way or the other. Credit to the Ferdinand brothers as well for not pressing the issue...they seem willing to let the matter slide.

    In the early 2000s Patrick Vieira and Sinisa Mihajlovic exchanged racial slurs during a Champions League match, but have buried the axe since then.

    Here's an interesting article on the whole issue:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2007/may/31/onsecondthoughtssinisamiha

    As for Suarez, he was overeager on a number of occasions (i.e. when he collided with Scott Parker) and he contributed to the tense atmosphere during the game, but his return should give FC Liverpool's chances a boost...they can still make the top four.
     
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    I'm really starting to like Suarez. It's very refreshing to see someone not give an inch to the forces of cultural marxism. Today, he refused to shake hands with the vile, disgusting African Evra:

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    Of course, the criticism from the usual assortment of lapdogs led by "Sir" Alex Fergusson is swift:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16996567

    Evra then with TNB after the match, and I bet nothing happens. After all, blacks can do and say whatever they want without any repurcussions.
     

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    Everyone is ganging up on Suarez. Liverpool’s managing director, Ian Ayre, accuses Suarez of misleading the team over the handshake. The team's shirt sponsor has publicly expressed disappointment with Suarez. Remember Liverpool now has American owners who want to avoid controversy. I don't think the Uruguayan will be back next year.

    BTW Alex Ferguson's demand that Liverpool never again allow Suarez to play and then calling him a disgrace shows how arrogant Ferguson can be. Ferguson has always been a mean-spirited jerk -refusing to do interviews, undermining a team that let go his player son, publicly attacking referees verbally in an attempt to put pressure on them - and now telling Liverpool whom they should play. Ferguson may be a good manager but he's not a good human being. Then again there aren't too many decent people in British football in general.
     
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    Ferguson's idea of a player who is NOT a disgrace:

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    once again what a horrible weekend in the english premiership
    ,beginning to come unwatchable for me ,
    as per usual alot of the affletes goals were very much close range
    and square waiting goals or general mistakes ,deflections
    which reflects the very nature of poaching for goals.okay poaching is a quality of many players but
    need many other qualities and just simply poaching
    and being greedy in front of goal doesnt lend itself to
    palying for team , where playing for individual glory




    so as awhole think the standard in league has gone well down for past two seasons ,
    the number of scrappy goals and goals due to defensive errors
    suggest this as , for some of players doing well in it also suggest this
    get a chance in it ,where never be given chance in other european setups
    due to the more physical nature of it and less skill orientated .
    being very objective here and glad to see that now think italian
    league is now probably now getting up or above it in standard
    after transition period and the managers and players all want
    italians or white europeans or ex-pats playing for them , so much more honest
    league.


    unlike the brainwashed managers in britain that are very much pro-black
    and especially in forward positions ,
    just look at recent players signed by Q.P.R the team with new manager hughes
    is now disgusting
    and showes that the players played and picked comes down to mentality of
    manager.
    simrly with kean at blackburn and so many teams in league now
    that nearly as bad as french league
    the fact that nearly every team now in league has
    affletes up front or as substitutes that forwards
    showes how easily and crap a team can become
    no honesty left in it ,all big business and money
    no loyalty to players that know have a place in team
    and similarly no loyalty to clubs , the locality of team from doesnt
    matter any more ,simply put big business mentality of america
    americanization of it all .
     
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    parasitic nature of black and attention seeking ways of
    blackpeople in general and perfectly reflected in strikers in premiership
    nearly every team now in premiership has affletes upfront and
    can not stand this.
    just showes you the way the system and feeder system is
    the problack youth system for all teams is disgusting
    and you reap what you sore
    so if look at youth system only going to get worse
    and if look at ****ing french ****s and what happening there
    alot of blacks coming through system in france
    and there football factories in senegal
    then through to rest of europe especially england
    the french must really hate themselves , that conspire
    to blacken every sport they can think of
    thats where being nice and all your equality liberty and fraterity gets
    you , parasities will just take advantage of system
    not to mention the absolute brainwashed pro back ,anti white
    paradigm in france at moment


    think has to nearly better the american mentality
    and england and **** all of europe unfortunatly
    nor far behind
    it all just reflects the way society is in europe at moment
    so disjointed and individualistic and gone completly wrong
    and no control in many facets of it ,
    celebrity ,sport ,media ,money seem to be the most important
    thing in it at moment , when should be opposite
    intelliengence and all other proper values should be what
    all about, what really means to be european
     
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    suarez and dalgish were made to apologise
    and doesnt matter as just playing the game , just like
    media does . honesty doesnt exist in media nor
    government anymore ,so got to beat them at own game



    the body language of dalglish showes exactly what thinks
    and if says it will be out of job
    only decent manger left in league
    and a proud strong un brainwashed scot
    unlike that whore fergusson
    lets hope that society changes and quickly




    similarly for suarez and why urugary got rid of alot of
    there black population along time ago
    unfortunately for suarez the media and life in general in
    england has become so toxic that
    his career might not go anywhere till leaves
    but time will till .
     
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