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  1. Tannehill17

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    I've been kind of quiet about this, but I figured I'd share my thoughts about the Dolphins drafting Tua in this thread. My opinion of it is that, while not white (and not black either) I do believe Tua is a special talent. The accuracy he displayed in college proves that. I understand why they did it. They were also under pressure from ownership to do so I believe. I don't really have a problem rooting for Tua being that he's technically not a quotaback (although some on here might disagree) and he seems to be a good kid with decent values. I'll root for him quietly but I won't be a cheerleader for him on this forum. The thing that pisses me off is the DWFandom surrounding him. The message boards were full of retards talking up Tua, while at the same time degrading Justin Herbert (who I preferred they draft) It was so obvious there was an agenda from these folks, especially evident by the fact that Jordan Love was the fallback option for these types (if they passed on Tua) They didn't want just a quarterback, but a certain TYPE of quarterback. If there was ever any evidence the DWF exists, it was on message boards like Finheaven.
     
  2. Leonardfan

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    I respect your point of view and opinion tremendously Tannehill17. I would not have such an issue with Tagiolova if it were not for the obvious agenda with the QB position - which is simply to wrestle it away from white players. For me that is the line in the sand and as I get older it aggravates me even more. I dislike seeing young non-white QBs getting paired with an aging veteran white QB as it also gives them an advantage in terms of learning the finer aspects of the pro game. It sounds like Miami has quite a few DWFs drinking the non-white QB kool aid. Would a black CB, WR or RB ever embrace or take a white player at one of those positions to teach him? Answer is most likely not.
     
  3. Tannehill17

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    I'm actually more bothered by the fact that they drafted 3 sumo OL. The DWF's over on Finheaven have been slamming me because I'm the only one on there who hates these picks. Unfortunately, this was a weak year for white OL talent. That's why I would have punted on drafting any offensive linemen this year. I believe next years OL class is a little more white friendly. Another thing that bothers me is how 4th round sumo Solomon Kindley is already being looked at by these Finheaven DWF's as being better than Michael Dieter, a guy we got in the 3rd round last year. Dieter struggled a little bit but has the potential to get better.... he has..... wait for it.... "upside" Oh wait a minute, I forgot, that word is only allowed to be used for black players. Dieter is a guy that all of us on Caste Football need to root for as he fights for a starting gig against several sumo "upsiders" The DWF's have already written him off.
     
  4. Leonardfan

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    Rodent Nagy and the inept GM Pace decline Trubisky’s 5th year option. Hopefully Trubisky can get snagged in free agency next year. What a waste of his career. My guess is they try and draft and a non white qb next year if they are still around.
     
  5. Bucky

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    Justin Fields!! Lol. That'd be perfect for Chiraq to finally have the quotaback they deserve.

    I actually hope Foles wins the job, and Bears suck. At least they won't be able to pin it on Trubisky and perhaps Rodent Nagy and Pace get canned.
     
  6. Bucky

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    Cowboys just signed Andy Dalton to a 1yr 7mil deal.

    Crybaby Dez Bryant(it wasn't a catch against GB) doesn't like that The Cowboys didn't pay Dak! Of course he doesn't, black entertainers gotta stick together or something. Also who gives a damn what the overrated and likely on steroids, Dez Bryant thinks?! Another guy that should have been locked up in prison but he's good at sportsball. Didn't he beat up his mom?! LOL.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports...-twitter-rant-pay-dak-prescott-024855371.html

    Cry Baby Dez also used the example that The Cowboys paid Tony Romo twice! The audacity! They is definitely raycizz to Dak.
     
  7. Don Wassall

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    I've always been a Dalton fan. He's not a top tier QB but more of a second tier starter and there's nothing wrong with that. He played well enough for the Bengals given what he had to work with most seasons. Would rather have seen the Patriots sign him and let him compete with Stidham or back up Stidham and step in if Stidham faltered, but it wasn't to be. The puny contract he signed, puny for an NFL QB that is, guarantees he'll be holding a clipboard all season unless Prescott is injured.
     
  8. Bucky

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    Agreed Don. Always was a fan of Dalton dating back to his days at TCU. Apparently NYJ and Jax were other teams in the running for The Red Rifle. Let's hope a trip back to Texas can revitalize his career, he needed to get out of Cincinnati and that toxic organization.

    Belichek seems very confident in Stidham, no disrespect to Stidham but it seems kind of odd that they are just handing him the Starting job with zero competition. As others have stated, I'm looking forward to who has more success this season. Belichek or Brady? I personally Tend to think Brady will. Will someone rise up in The AFC East and dethrone the Pats dynasty?!
     
  9. Don Wassall

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    I would say Buffalo is the heavy favorite to win the AFC East this season. The Bills might have already been better than the Patriots by the end of last season and have done a good job in free agency.

    I'm really curious to see what happens with the Patriots. They may actually still start a decent amount of overachievers, including two or three on defense, but they could also turn out to be quite black as far as overall starters. They're one of the least predictable teams right now when it comes to starters.
     
  10. Don Wassall

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    Another talented White QB who's been made the scapegoat by the caste media and mindless DWFs because of the failings of the organization that drafted him. Trubisky had a very solid second season yet when he didn't "progress" in his third year all the blame was placed on him without looking any deeper. The offensive scheme and the offensive talent put together by "offensive genius" Rodent Nagy was an epic fail. Trubisky has very good speed and running ability to go with a big arm, yet he was pretty much an immobile popgun QB under Nagy's brilliant direction in 2019. Trubisky is particularly hated by Chicago DWFs because he was drafted earlier than Patrick Mahomes. It's now almost impossible for him to succeed under the Nagy/Pace caste clown regime.
     
  11. woody39

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    I think Belicheck will suprise us some of the UDFAs will stick; Hastings WR has a connection with Stidham, Bill Murray is a stud DT from a snall school and Butt Tight end from Boston College signed with 80000 guarantees.

    Think Cody Davis sticks at safety signed in free agency and don't forget beau allen signed aswell he coild be a beast up front.

    I have a feeling Patriots will have a decent roster for us like normal. Although their offensive line is dismal in terms of our guys at the moment!
     
  12. Don Wassall

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    Here's a good article on Tanner Muse, which also highly compliments Nick Kwiatkoski. Muse is head and shoulders above the other linebackers trying to start next to Nick and Cory Littleton when it comes to talent so we'll see how much playing time he gets as a rookie besides his WSTD duties. The heavy playing time Maxx Crosby and Hunter Renfrow received last year gives room for optimism:

    Rookie Tanner Muse adds versatility to Raiders’ linebackers

    The Raiders selected just one linebacker during the draft, and in Clemson’s Tanner Muse they added a player who was mostly a safety in college but will make the transition to linebacker in the NFL.

    The bulk of the work the Raiders did at linebacker, a position that was a major weakness last year, came in free agency with the additions of Los Angeles Rams standout Cory Littleton and Chicago Bears up-and-comer Nick Kwiatkoski.

    Muse was a bit of an afterthought on a star-studded Clemson defense, but digging into tape means continually seeing his No. 19 jersey showing up and making plays. Even sharing the field with dominating prospects, Muse stood out.

    As a perceived tweener, though — maybe not athletic enough to play safety in the NFL and perhaps not big enough to play linebacker — made it difficult for NFL scouts and talent evaluators to project where he’d fit at the next level.

    That changed suddenly at the NFL combine when ran a 4.39 second 40-yard dash, solidifying himself as a legitimate draft prospect and catching the attention of Raiders general manager Mike Mayock. Just to be sure Muse had a grasp on linebacker, Mayock put Muse through some mental exercises during a video-conference meeting. Muse put on a clinic on linebacker run fits, and Mayock was sold.

    The Raiders selected Muse in the third round with the 100th pick. The initial plan is for him to play special teams while training at the weakside and strongside linebacker positions. But it would be a mistake to write off his rookie season as a transition year.

    In today’s NFL, where matchup and situational football is so prevalent, Muse can line up all over the field, depending on the situation. Whether it’s running with tight ends in pass coverage or spying a multi-dimensional quarterback to protect against his running ability, Muse is a chess-piece type player with the speed and intelligence to pull off specific roles.

    As a result, keeping him off the field might be difficult.

    With one starting linebacker spot open — and no clear-cut candidate to lock it down — Muse will get every opportunity in camp to earn significant playing time. At worst the Raiders have a willing special teams ace with a future as a starting linebacker.

    Littleton was the best linebacker on the market, and the Raiders needed to breath life into a barren position. Provided he maintains his level of play from his years with the Rams, Littleton solves a major Raiders problem as a linebacker capable of defending the pass. His ability to excel in zone and man coverage, while also being able to run and hit in the run game, fills major needs for the Raiders.

    Kwiatkoski spent most of his time as a rotational player for the Bears, although when given the chance to start over the last seven games last season he showed he can be productive playing significant snaps.

    Pro Football Focus has ranked Kwiatkoski, who will call the Raiders’ defense, one of the 15 best off-ball linebackers in the NFL since 2017. According to their evaluation, he is one of six linebackers over that time to achieve a grade of 70 or above in run, pass and pass-rush defense.

    Littleton and Kwiatkoski’s arrival in Las Vegas changes the complexion of the Raiders’ linebacker room, and in a fast, creative division like the AFC West, it puts them in a much better position to compete.

    Nicholas Morrow, Marquel Lee and Ukeme Eligwe are among the candidates for the starting job alongside Littleton and Kwiatkoski, although Muse is expected to challenge for playing time. Derrick Moncrief, Quentin Poling, Nick Usher, Kyle Wilber and Te’von Coney are in the mix for roster spots.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/sport...s-versatility-to-raiders-linebackers-2019936/
     
  13. Leonardfan

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    Dalton going to the Cowboys could make the season interesting especially if the overrated Prescott keeps campaigning for more money than he is worth. Dalton is a cheaper alternative who has been more successful with less around him during his career.
     
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    Muse's speed allows him to run down every rb in the NFL, his agility is exceptional and he can rundown wr's as we all know, he is smart a heck and reacts quick to any situation onfield. They say he is not fast enough to play safety yet he fast enough to play lb? What a joke!!! Who makes more hits on rb's? LB or SS.......

    On a sidenote I believe Muse is saying what needs to be said in order to achieve his goals in the NFL. As a Caucasian man in todays NFL he has to very careful what he says or as we all know he will be exiled quickly......

    my 2cents worth.
     
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    The Cowboys made a big mistake franchising Prescott. QB contracts have been ridiculous for years, and supply at the position is now exceeding the demand. The Cowboys should have let Prescott walk, then could have signed Dalton to a team friendly four year contract, likely around 15 mil a year without much guarantees. Even Winston or Newton would have been a better option than Prescott at 50 to 60% of the cost. Of course, too make such a decision would take the balls to go against the grain, especially with an incumbent black starter.
     
  16. white is right

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    May he rest in peace. One of the better coach's I have seen. He also was very classy on and off the field. Still the only nfl coach to lead an undefeated team to a super bowl championship. Also that team was very white friendly.
     
  18. Tannehill17

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    I liked him a lot, even though in the final couple years of his tenure with the dolphins he ended buying into the caste system
     
  19. Don Wassall

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    It certainly has, though the posts are scattered all over the forum during the past 16 years unfortunately.

    Don Shula's great Colts teams were very White, more so than the average team of the time, and his great Super Bowl winning Dolphins teams were also. Even in 1972, starting 10 Whites on defense on what became an undefeated team was quite unusual.

    Shula had some near great teams again in the mid-1980s after drafting Dan Marino, but after that he went full-bore Caste and never came close to winning a Super Bowl again despite having an all-time great quarterback.
     
  20. white is right

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    I found it telling that he didn't have another 1k rusher after those Csonka led teams. If his teams under Marino had more balance and had a bell cow type runner like Csonka the Dolphins probably would have had deeper playoff runs and Marino would have probably won a championship.
     
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    Growing up in the 70's I always admired Shula. And I didn't know until Don posted that about the 10 whites on D in the undefeated season. What a phenomenal story and I agree that Shula was all class from what I knew. I think we lost a brilliant coach and great man. RIP.
     
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    images miami dolphin 1972 defense
     
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    The NFL Network is showing a one hour documentary about the 1973 Dolphins, the team that followed up the unbeaten season with a second straight Super Bowl win, at 10 pm EST.

    Dolphins 1972 defensive starters. It's obvious why they were called the "no name defense" even though they were great:

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  25. Bucky

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    Glory Days.
     

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