MLB is 60% white

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MLB IS 60% WHITE

Exactly the same demographics as last year. There are 307 minorities in Major League Baseball and 458 whites. This according to MLB.com. Check for yourself. Check "team sites" then proceed to "depth charts".

For the purpose of this survey I included only players whom are both listed on the depth charts and also considered "active" by the teams web-site. Minor League prospects and "non-active" players were not counted.

I was very careful in conducting this servey. I always gave the minority demographic the benefit of the doubt. For instance, the likes of John Damond and Nick Swisher were not considered white. As a matter of fact, quite a few players with a Enlish/German or Irish last name were not considered white if I felt that there was any doubt at all as to their heritage. I counted most Italians as white, but not all. Italians Americans such as Piazza, Biggio, and Giambi were considered white but La-Duca was not. A very-very small number of players with a Spanish surname were considered white. Mark Teixeira, for example, was considered white only because I couldn't legitimize considering him otherwise. Such players as Eric Chavez, however, were not considered white. I probable only included 5 or 6 Spanish players as white.

This survey contends that 60% of MLB is white but whites may enjoy better representation then that. This being because the majority of Hispanics in Major League Baseball seem to be of prodominantly Spanish extraction. The general Hispanic - American population, by constrast, seems to be of stronger Ameridian decent.

It is also noteworthy that there are a good number of African - Hispanics in MLB as well. Also, the Asian presence in MLB seems to be on the rise.

A disproportionate number of white players are pitchers. Likewise, we can expect that most field players will be non - white.


CHECK MY WORK AT MLB.com

(whites vs non whites)

Twins: 15/7

White Sox: 16/7

Angels: 11/14

A's: 18/8

Mariners: 10/13

Rangers: 11/6

Braves: 20/8

Marlins: 12/10

Mets: 12/20

Pillies: 16/10

Nationals: 15/13

Astros: 19/4

Brewers: 14/12

Cardinals: 20/5

Baltimore: 17/6

Devil Rays: 14/10

Blue Jays: 18/6

Red Sox: 16/12

Yankees: 13/11

Indians: 19/9

Royals: 17/11

Tigers: 12/14

Cubs: 15/11

Pirats: 17/11

Reds: 15/9

Diamondbacks: 15/11

Dodgers: 12/16

Giants: 11/15

Padres: 21/5

Rockies: 13/17

Notice that the number of total players is not constant. This will be the case all season long. MLB teams can carry a total of 40 players on their roster, some may be active, others not. Had I used the 40 man rosters, as opposed to the depth carts, then the white percentage of players would have been higher. This being because the 40 man rosters tend to include a greater number of pitchers. 40 man rosters are inacurate becasue they include inactive players who probable will not even suit up. Edited by: OC football
 

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Teixeira is Portuguese I believe I once heard, and I've always tried to figure out but what exactly is Shane Victorino of the Phillies?
 
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Well I probable could have considered La Duca (and many others) white, but I really was trying to play it safe here so that the survey would have as much legitimacy as possible.
 

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Nice work OC!
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I can appreciate the time and effort you put into it.
 

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OC football said:
Well I probable could have considered La Duca (and many others) white, but I really was trying to play it safe here so that the survey would have as much legitimacy as possible.

LoDuca and the non-Italians that you "non-whited"... what disqualified them? What made them distinct and "inferior" to the Italians you "whited"? Was it arbitrary? If LoDuca were a legitimate, non-steroided superstar, would you have still "non-whited" him?

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How the F*ck is Nick Swisher not considered white. He's from Parkersburg, WV for god's sake!
 

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So this was done conservatively that probably means MLB is 65 percent white if you consider white Latinos like Jorge Posada and guys like Laduca, or Bronson Arroyo.....
 
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When I did this last year I found MLB to be 60% white but I counted more people with subtile extra-European features as white.

This year, if there was a shaddow of a doubt then as to a players extraction then I gave the minority demographic the benefit. Nick Swisher might have some Asian features.

With this being said, MLB is aproximantly 60% non-hispanic white. I counted a very small number of hispanics and excluded a good number of people who PROBABLE are of 100% European extraction. Remember, I could only go off of their pictures and sir-names in most cases.

I would say that 75-80% of all players in MLB are either entirely or mostly of European origon.
 

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Just out of curiousity, do you happen to know what the percentage of white players are, when you exclude pitchers?
 

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I counted 14 on the Cubs. Did you count Woods or Prior? I counted both Mark DeRosa(Italian) and Marquis(Jewish) as white.
 
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I counted Marquis and LaRosa as white, but not Posada.

It looks like there are 14 whites on the Cubs, not 15. I may have miscounted or there could have been a trade. Perhaps someone was sent to the minors. Can't be sure.
 

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OC, anytime you try to categorize a "questionable" as white, expect the criticism to come as sure as an summer afternoon thunderstorm in the Mississippi Delta!
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Good work though! I wish more people would take the initiative to do such research.
 

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bigunreal:
counting starters & non-starters

Baltimore: 5
Boston: 6 (counted Youkilis and Lowell)
New York Yankees: 2 (& 4 if you count Damon and Nieves)
Tampa Bay: 4
Toronto: 8 (& 9 if you count Phillips)

Chicago White Sox: 7
Cleveland: 6
Detroit: 2(both are starters)
Kansas City: 7
Minnesota: 8

Los Angles Angels:4
Oakland: 8 (9 if you count Marco Scutaro and 10 if you count Chavez)
Seattle: 4
Texas: 7


Atlanta: 9
Florida: 7
New York Mets: 4 (counted Shawn Green and Lo Duca)
Philadelphia: 6
Washington: 7

Cincinnati: 6
Pittsburgh: 5 (& 6 if you count Nady)
Chicago Cubs: 3
Milwaukee: 8
St. Louis: 9
Houston: 10

Arizona: 5
Los Angles Dodgers: 3 or 4
San Diego: 9
Colorado: 8
San Francisco: 4
 

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Baseball Fan said:
Marquis or Posada White C'mon?
Let's put it this way if Posada was wanted for robbery or rape in San Juan would they describe him as white or Hispanic? If they said Hispanic they would be looking forever....
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Only 71 percent of current Major League players were born in the United States. Twenty years ago over 90 percent were. Nearly half of all players in the minors are non-Americans.


The same Caste media whores who continuously whine about the lack of American blacks in the sport never make an issue of how aggressive MLB is about developing non-American talent. The "greater good" of globalism, multiculturalism and good old "diversity" trumps that possibility. It's only when most of the foreign players are white, as in basketball, that anything negative is said about it. In the case of baseball it's about mostly non-white, non-Americans taking the jobs of white Americans who are just as good and often better, so we'll all be old and gray before the media takes up the cudgel on behalf of white baseball players.
 
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Well some of those foreign players are from Canada.

That being said. I don't know how much longer the demographic status-
quo can be maintained in MLB. Latin America has 600 million people and
it's population is, on average, younger then that of the United States.
Baseball is Latin America's second sport only trumped by the popularity of
Soccer. Moreover, baseball is the most popular sport in Japan with its
population of 145 million.

The United States has 200 million whites while Canada has only 40
million. Hockey is the most popular sport up north and American whites
are concentrating on a wide variety of sports includeing football,
swimming, volleyball, hockey, lacrosse, basketball, golf, soccer, water
polo, rugby, ect. ect. Being that American/Canadian whites have few
children; how can we expect MLB to remain 60% white much longer?
Especially considering the effort that MLB is making to develope tallent in
inner-city neighborhoods and in Latin America (this with MLB financed
baseball academies); all this while giving white areas no attention what-
so-ever. (Notice that the NBA doesn't have developement academies set
up in white neighborhoods or in Europe)

If whites somehow maintain the 60% figure (this being the white
component of MLB some time now) then I will be beyond suprised. Almost
impressed. Edited by: OC football
 

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The Caste System isn't racial in baseball. It is more of an ethnic thing. The corporations can't wait to dump America for other cultures that are marketable and kind of enigmatic, supposedly. This is in America and general, and it naturally shows up in America's pastime.

So we shouldn't look at baseball players' races, but rather their identified ethnicity and country of origin. If Paul Lo Duca is a "Caste System Player", how come the Yankees are the only team to retire Joe DiMaggio's number? Wouldn't DiMaggio be some sort of god? Robinson was good, but compared to DiMaggio he'd have a tough time asserting himself.

Shawn Green is definitely white and definitely non Caste System. You think Bud Selig gives him tons of special treatment because his ancestors had the same religion as him? The only place where he would be non Caste is on the business and legal end of sports, and even then, he'd have to have extended family involved high up.

Classifying Portuguese Americans is interesting. I from a place with hundreds of thousands. You see, from a baseball prospective, Pujols, Arroyo, Posada, and many others are "Caste System" players because they identify as non-American. Also many hispanic people born in the US identify as something other than American, first and foremost, like Manny Ramirez so they are CS.

We would consider a baseball player whose family immigrated from Spain to the US, or a Tejano, a non-CS player. But a white Dominican probably not.


Here's the kicker. Portuguese Americans are European racially, but they are not ancestrally from Portugal directly. They're Azorean. They are pretty much the same as a white Mexican.


But, as long as they identify as American and not as something else, they will not be beneficiaries of the Caste System so they should be non Caste System players.Edited by: Freedom
 

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OC football said:
Pujols is part african so he wouldnt be considered racially white anyways.
I recall ESPN doing a story on the Cardinals not having many(or any) "black" players, and they interviewed two black fans who regarded Pujols as black because he would have been banned pre 47'. They said it in a PC way as they referred to him as a person of color.....Edited by: white is right
 
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Starters By Team (field players only). Out of Nine total per team.

Royals  &nbs p;2
Indians 5
Blue Jays5
Astros  &nbs p;6
Marlins 3
Devil Rays 3
Red Sox  4
Yankees    1
Braves  &nbs p;5
Brewers    4
Orioles  &nb sp;3
Tigers  &nbs p;2
Mets&n bsp;1
Twins 5
White Sox 4
Athletics  7
Rangers    6
Rockies   5
D- Backs  5
Philles  &nb sp;4
Dodgers    2
Seattle   2
Nationals 5
Cardinals 4
Reds & nbsp;4
Cubs  2
Edited by: OC football
 
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