Kobe Bryant

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  1. Bucky

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    I thought this was fake news when it first started popping up online. Wasn't the biggest Bryant fan but he was a Superstar known Worldwide so it definitely came as a shock. Saddest part is his daughter and 2 other families went down in the crash. Seems like it's quite common for Celeb deaths in small airplanes/helicopters..
     
  2. Leonardfan

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    Well said. I wasn't a Bryant fan or Lakers fan at any point in my life (pre or post rape allegations). Growing up as a kid in the 90s I thought Jordan was the best basketball player (I do recall rooting for the Jazz when they faced the Bulls in back to back finals - Stockton was the best pure point guard and my favorite player) and I thought Bryant was essentially a copycat of everything Jordan did. I do believe the last NBA finals I actually watched the whole way through was the 2001 Sixers-Lakers final. My brother and I were pulling for Iverson to lead an upset over the Lakers.
     
  3. Flint

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    It sucks for his family for sure. Doesn't mean too much too me other then the disgust at the pandering to his memory. One thing no one brings up is why was he taking his daughter to basketball practice in a helicopter? Just drive or get a limo. He basically died because he had too much money, so much it was easy for him to charter helicopters.
     
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    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/480096-washington-post-suspends-reporter-after-bryant-tweets
    Now journalists, writers, etc. are being fired or suspended for even mentioning the Kobe Bryant rape case. I thought this was the "metoo" era and we can't question women's allegations. Will white women notice their low rank or will they continue to bash only white males? Kobe's responses and reactions when he was interviewed by police the day after would alone ruin any white male. My God he threw a cum-stained t-shirt at an officer's face and called the victim ugly (which she was not) among other responses. Absolutely no remorse and yet the media pretends that this information does not exist. What if Tom Brady did this or reacted in a similar way when so-called "falsely accused?" He was a complete scumbag.
     
  5. Charles Martel

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    Except for Kobe and his daughter, all the people killed in the crash were White.

    I don't feel bad about Kobe being killed, because he anally raped and degraded a teen-aged girl (probably more than one). He was extremely promiscuous and boasted about sleeping with hundreds of White women, while being married to one. Too bad the piece of sh*t didn't die twenty years ago, before he raped that girl.

    However I do feel bad about the others, although the (((media))) barely mentions them:

    John Altobelli
    Keri Altobelli
    Sarah Chester
    Payton Chester
    Christina Mauser
    Ara Zobayan


    REST IN PEACE
     
  6. Menelik

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    I thought the exact same thing. What a glaring hypocritical standard that needs to be picked up by some of these so called conservative news sites but sadly this is the only place that it will probably be brought up. Having said that the alleged victim wasn't a saint. When they processed the rape kit, semen was discovered from different men other than Kobe. Go figure...
     
  7. Extra Point

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    I wonder how long before they built a statue of this rapist.
     
  8. Menelik

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    Apparently they already have.
     
  9. Bruce

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    the media won’t dare speculate on this but the accident was most likely Kobe’s fault. His pilot was extremely experienced and he also worked as a flight instructor. The weather conditions were awful that morning and the LA county sheriffs department even grounded all their flights as a result. So why is this highly experienced and “super cautious”,as described by colleagues, pilot flying in such dangerous conditions? He was pressured into it by his mega rich arrogant alpha male super star athlete. Kobe was running late for his daughters basketball game where he was also the team’s coach. He’s been flying in helicopters to get from his home in Orange County to LA on a regular basis since 2012 so that definitely added to his arrogance. I’m guessing the pilot didn’t want to do it but Kobe talked him into it. He’s worth 500 million$ so he probably offered him a lot of money too. Is the pilot really gonna say no and risk losing Kobe as his client if he pisses him off? His impatience led to the death of his own daughter and seven White people. It’s pretty sad overall. I didn’t hate Kobe the way I hate most black athletes. He was a very hard worker and someone who would be successful even without the caste system
     
  10. Westside

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    I know a bodyguard who is black that once worked for Bryant. I asked him why he quit working for him. The guy told me, that Bryant treated his hired help as peons. It was his way or the high way. Even though professionals cautioned against his ill-advised decisions. Bruce's analysis pretty sums up maybe why he insisted that the copter fly in bad conditions.
    Maybe the truth will come out in a documentary. In his last game, Bryant said something that all superstar athletes should abide by, "I knew I had the talent, but I practiced like I did not!"
     
  11. NolanCromwell

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    Seriously Bruce? Regardless of your like/ dislike of Kobe to speculate that Kobe caused the crash is absolutely ridiculous. Pilot error and disorientation led to the crash. They had plenty of time to make the 12PM scheduled game. They had started to return back or were going to identify another landing / way point to head to the game from. This was an experienced, professional pilot that lost situational awareness due to low lying fog which we frequently have in coastal California. These type of crashes unfortunately are common occurrences.
     
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  12. white is right

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    If Gimp Bayless had his way Kobe would be considered for sainthood by the Vatican.......
     
  13. Hartline

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    Kobe wasn't a good person even if the allegations weren't true. He cheated on his pregnant wife with multiple women and even suggested the stress from the fallout was the main cause in his wifes miscarriage. I think he tried to change his life for the better as his career went on but who knows if he really changed at all.
     
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    The author, as he always does, deliberately ignores the Jewish factor (for example, he writes "how do we explain a black-centric culture that is run exclusively by….whites?"); he's smarter than that, but still a good rant.

    Our Kardashian Culture

    by Donald Jeffries

    The recent death of former NBA star Kobe Bryant, and the unbelievable saturation news coverage that followed, illustrated again that we are no longer living in America 1.0.

    Bryant was a great basketball player, one of the best in NBA history. He was also accused of raping a nineteen year old hotel worker in 2003. Like all celebrities and wealthy people, Bryant escaped punishment and later settled out of court. The mainstream media broke a time-honored tradition at the time, by disclosing the name of the victim, and questioned her character and motivations in several biased, inflammatory reports. At the last minute, she abruptly decided not to testify, and Bryant avoided a trial.

    In the eyes of a reasonable person, Kobe Bryant’s eventual admission of sexual contact with his accuser, without acknowledging any guilt, defined him as being significantly less than heroic. Following the helicopter crash on January 26, 2020, which also tragically took the lives of his thirteen year old daughter and eight others, accolades and tributes fit for royalty came forth, mostly via Twitter, which is the national Town Crier for America 2.0.

    Bryant exemplified the new celebrity; although his fame came from athletics, he somehow won an Oscar, and is the only non-actor to have his hand and footprints immortalized at Grauman’s Chinese Theatre. Upon his death, heartfelt responses came in from not only the sports world, but every high-profile entertainer, and leading political figures from around the world. The Grammys opened by paying tribute to Bryant, who had absolutely no connection to the world of music.

    Washington Post reporter Felicia Sonmez was suspended by the newspaper following her “insensitive” tweet linking to a 2016 story that went over the DNA evidence and other details in the rape case. In a tweet she subsequently deleted, Sonmez noted, “Well, THAT was eye-opening. To the 10,000 people (literally) who have commented and emailed me with abuse and death threats, please take a moment and read the story…”

    I have noticed how social media becomes completely taken over whenever a cultural “superstar” dies. However, there is clearly a racial element here, which adheres to the social identity mindset that rules what’s left of our culture with an iron hand. When Prince- who had a handful of hit records in the 1980s but was never an iconic musical figure, died the attention it received on social media was shocking. He was repeatedly called the “greatest guitarist” in the world, which was completely ridiculous.

    However, when Glenn Frey of the Eagles, and Tom Petty died, there was no such media saturation. By any measure, both were far more successful, important, and talented than Prince could have ever hoped to be. I have wondered, in the wake of Bryant’s death, how the media, the entertainment world, and important politicians would have reacted if Larry Bird died in a helicopter crash. Can we really picture the Grammys opening with a tribute to Larry Bird?

    In America 2.0, the “culture” has been thoroughly ghettoized. The most dysfunctional and ignorant elements of our society set fashion trends, and highly educated individuals mimic their bastardized English and ignorant catch phrases. I realize that the instinctive response to this is “racist!” And that’s an essential part of this culture of stupidity, which now runs this country. Pointing out that the emperor is stark naked results in hysterical name-calling and collective shunning. After all, it isn’t “African Americans” collectively who are being so overrated and over represented in all media. It’s those from hopeless, poverty stricken areas, or pretending to be. You know, the “hoods” that Spike Lee and other black directors waxed rhapsodic over in a gazillion films.

    While our culture is now influenced by, and geared towards the interests of our second largest minority group, its poster child is the Kardashian family. Led by a dull young lady with no discernible talent, outside of her large, round backside, its unimportant, low class dynamics inexplicably attract the interest of many Americans. The Kardashians have it all; the youngest billionaire in America (who is just as untalented as the rest of them), and a former male Olympic star who has transformed into the most famous transgender woman in the world.

    While the Kardashians are white, they cannot truly represent America 2.0 without some real virtue signaling in their midst. So all of the Kardashian girls proudly advertise their desire for black men exclusively. Call me naive, but isn’t a proclamation that you will only consider those from one racial group “racist?” It certainly would be if they just as proudly declared that they were willing to only date white men. But then again, how do we explain a black-centric culture that is run exclusively by….whites?

    The cultural “stars” of America 2.0 are people like rapper Snoop Dog, or rappers turned actors like Ice T and Ice Cube. These preposterous names wouldn’t even be terribly creative if toddlers made them up. Their only true white counterparts are Kid Rock, or Eminem (although his name at least is based on something- his actual initials are MM). It is truly saddening, or perhaps truly hilarious, to watch white people from upper-class backgrounds with Ivy League educations, refer to them respectfully by these childish stage names, and act as if they have anything of value to say about anything. Other than to talk about “racism,” of course.

    In America 1.0, the entertainment world was filled with brilliant black performers. But Louis Armstrong, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson, and the like have been supplanted by Alicia Keys (90% white, but affects a laughable Ebonics accent and is openly anti-white), John Legend, Drake, and a slew of forgettable rapper/singers whose stage name begins with “Lil’.” Token whites like Miley Cyrus try their best to fit in; grinding obscenely and dressing provocatively, and producing the same kind of putrid product.

    On the big screen, Hollywood recently produced the estimated one billionth film about a black man being unjustly accused of doing something to a white woman. The star of the film, Jamie Foxx, is renowned for having given a party in Hollywood some years ago, which featured a sign hanging outside the entrance which read “No white men allowed.” White women, of course, were welcome. Chris Rock, “cutting edge” black comedian, notably genuflected before Barack Obama, as all black and most white entertainers did, with an inane comment about Obama being our father, and how “you listen to your Dad.” While Blacks tend to stand in racial solidarity, most Whites won’t even acknowledge their race.

    Hollywood’s fascination with American slavery, and the century of Jim Crow laws that inexorably came after the horrific military occupation of the defeated southern states, does not extend to fascination with non-American slavery or injustice. We await the first film about the estimated 10 million slaves that are suffering in bondage today in India. And there has yet to be a movie blasting the totalitarian, Orwellian Chinese government, with its draconian social credit scores and bunk bed-sized residences.

    The election of Donald Trump, on the heels of two terms of our first partially black president, has changed the political landscape forever. The divisiveness is entrenched now, and revolves around cultural issues, but those cultural issues are largely racially based. Under political correctness, you must extol the abilities of any nonwhite performer, while white performers can be criticized in the most profane manner. How can we hope to have a truly equal society, where one is judged on the content of a character, as Martin Luther King reminded us, and not the color of a skin, when the same rules, laws, and standards of conduct don’t apply equally to all?

    The ghetto culture permeates all levels of American society now. The lack of civility or empathy for others, the brash and loud public profanity or blaring music, the willingness to become confrontational over the smallest thing- all of this was once the exclusive province of what were then indelicately called “bad” neighborhoods. Now, to merely suggest that a neighborhood is “bad” is to risk being called a “racist.” Unless you explain that you’re talking about a trailer park, and refer to its inhabitants as “white trash,” or some similarly acceptable term. It’s perfectly okay to stereotype an entire group, as long as that group is entirely white.

    The Kardashian culture is just as curious as the rest of America 2.0. While seemingly “liberal” in its obsequious devotion to the rights and welfare of nonwhites, non-Christians, and non-heterosexuals, the culture doesn’t care a whit about the massive, increasing disparity of wealth, which I detailed in my book Survival of the Richest. Unless it’s to object to nonwhite poverty, and call it “racist.” It also is unconcerned with our nonstop wars. Unless, perhaps, you demonstrate that a disproportionate number of nonwhites are dying in them. After all, modern “liberals” don’t care about capital punishment any longer, unless too many nonwhites are being executed.

    There is plenty of room in this Kardashian culture for the Honey Boo Boos of the world. And America 2.0 doesn’t care about real racism, against blacks or anyone else. If they did, they’d focus on police misconduct, and the “three strikes you’re out” mandatory sentencing laws that resulted in incredible numbers of mostly black nonviolent offenders behind bars.

    America 2.0, thanks to sixty years of utter neglect, has a Third World infrastructure, and a shameful disparity of wealth, which has produced a Third World economy. This is a fitting complement to our Kardashian culture. And Donald Trump, despite being an old white guy, is the perfect president for this culture; his cartoonish ego, combative nature and incorrect grammar are all desirable attributes of any denizen of an upstanding “hood.” To use another quaint America 2.0 term, he has “street cred.”

    This isn’t about celebrating a particular ethnicity for ethnicity’s sake. Blacks who speak English correctly and don’t reflexively play the race card, are denigrated by the culture as not truly being “black.” Kind of like how, in the actual ghettos, Black kids who liked to read, or were concerned about their homework, would be blasted for “acting white.” No, this is a celebration of stupidity.

    We’ve all heard about the decadence of the Roman empire, before its fall. It’s impossible to imagine that they could have been any worse than our present-day mess of a civilization.

    https://donaldjeffries.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/our-kardashian-culture/#comments
     
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    It hurts to read these things when they fail to state the “elephant in the room”. I used to feel these articles were important, to awaken the youth.

    But this is nothing but sillyness. Its being angry at the Lion in the pit with you and ignoring those who put both you and the lion in the pit. Im convinced these are more harm than good.
     
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    Yea this is why I feel bad about the crash. kobe wasn’t the only person killed. His daughter and six other innocent people were killed in horrific fashion. The best we can do is pray for them at this point.
     
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    It is indeed tragic that all the others were killed, and even Bryant that his life was cut so short. I suppose you mean pray for their families, not the dead themselves.
     
  18. Bucky

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    Ope. That's going to cost her.

     
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    One thing I've noticed about the massive Kobe Bryant coverage is that Pau Gasol has hardly been mentioned. A cuck on a local radio station said that Bryant won two titles by himself after O'Neal was traded. No way the Lakers win in 2009 and 2010 without being gifted Gasol at the 2008 trade deadline. Kobe's "legacy" would have completely different without those last two titles, as he would have no titles as the #1 player on a team. Bryant was obviously a great player, but was also a ball hog that missed more shots than any player in history. Bryant shot 6-24 from the field in the Lakers game 7 win over the Celtics in the 2010 finals. I'd say Bryant was lucky to win five championships, as the Lakers were rarely serious contenders the other 15 years of his career.
     
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  20. Leonardfan

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    What is really eye opening to me is the narcicissm of everyone publicly mourning on the internet - twitter, Instagram, Facebook and trying to make the accident about them on some level. It’s just a reflection of the current sad state of affairs in this society. The outpouring of public grief for a basketball player has dwarfed pretty much anything I can recall maybe outside of Michael Jackson (going back to Don’s great post about the deaths of black celebrities).
     
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    Lol her brain was probably thinking the whole time "don't say it don't say it don't say it" Los Angeles ***...."damnit!"
     
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    I do get on planes from time to time but it is an eternal battle especially during take offs and landings. I wouldn't touch a helicopter with a ten foot pole and I could care less who I was riding with so I think it is a shame that people would take such a risk to just "hang out" with Kobe? Not saying one is doomed getting on one but cripes they are not as safe as commercial airliners. And we have heard of more than a few USA military helicopters that have gone down which is heartbreaking.

    I just want to touch on how I felt about Kobe as a player. Having just finished a very fine biography on Jerry West ( which I hope to post about in the books section) I see a lineage that runs from Jerry to Michael Jordan to Kobe Bryant. West wasn't as tall as either but when he played 6'3 1/2" wasn't considered small. Like West and Jordan, Kobe had the mind blowing athletic skills of quickness, speed and leaping ability. And of course I couldn't stand him as the hype started at an obscenely early age. He entered the league at just 18 and Michael Jordan was in the process of winning two more championships with the Bulls.

    Kobe perfectly fit the black supremacy crowd ( BCS) ideals. He was startlingly young, long and an exceptional athlete. Think Coco Gauff of tennis as a modern day comparison. He was right up there among my least favorite players and he seemed to be a bigger ball hog than even Jordan. I only started liking the Bulls teams when Toni Kukoc was part of the team their last three championships. Kukoc was one of my favorite players because he was so smooth and such a wonderful team player with his passing ability thus earning the nickname of the "waiter."

    Naturally the years Kobe and Shaq bagged multiple championships with the Lakers truly grated on me. Those Laker teams were very caste as the BSC couldn't have been more delighted as the Jordan years were quickly succeeded by the Kobe years. An elite black athlete showing us the way.

    The Lakers started to falter as Shaq and Kobe had trouble sharing the limelight and Kobe's selfishness was fairly obvious. Then of course in 2003 he was charged with rape and having never liked him to begin with it only deepened my distaste for him.

    I did find some redemption in him when he co existed with C Pau Gasol and the Lakers as they won two more championships in 2009 and 2010 behind that duo. I was taken aback that Kobe could get along so well with a star white teammate. But he remained a ball hog make no mistake about that but he won so what could one say?

    I have to admit when players retire I could give a rat's ass about them, even favorites of mine. I turn my attention to players in the here and now. I move on with the speed of light. But I think it is important to put Kobe's career into perspective and like Allen Iverson he was a real favorite of blacks since there were no white equivalent type of athletic players around per say at the time. Which is one of the reasons we see so many heartfelt tributes to Kobe.
     
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  23. Extra Point

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    Bryant was guilty of rape but it doesn't matter to most blacks and white liberals. Most blacks and white liberals don't care about the white victims of black on white crime. It means nothing to them. They treat you with hostility if you even bring the subject up. I'm sure most posters here have experienced this.
     
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    They give him the benefit of the doubt when they shouldn't
    It's only when they smear a political enemy or any random white guy that we have to "believe women," and due process is no longer anyone's concern.
     
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    Be sure and give us a review of the Jerry West biography. I used to see him play on TV very often.
     

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