Klitschko - Haye betting odds only 2 to 1

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  1. werewolf

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    Only 2 - 1 in favor of Dr K. I think it should be more like 50 - 1.



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    The only qualm I have is that I don't trust the thoroughly
    crooked boxing establishment, but I believe the Klitschkos are above any
    monkey business. Because they could make an enormous amount of
    money in a big super-hyped up revenge fight showdown between big brother
    Vitali and Haye. But if it's on the level, which it's gotta be -
    right? - then I think the odds should be much more than 2 -1. Hopefully the bookies don't know something that we don't know. But if I see the odds change more in favor of Haye right before the fight I'm going to get suspicious.
     
  2. space hillbilly

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    Never underestimate the power's that be!
    But boxing has changed a lot in the past few years, more money in Europe, and a big fan base.
    I know the anti-white goons would love to see Haye win, but everything gives way to the almighty dollar in this world...
     
  3. white is right

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    Yes, the good old DWFs and DBFs! They always sway the betting lines. These are some of the same idiots on the Jets' message board- where a handful were still holding fast to saying that keeping McKnight was the better move because he has more "upside" than Woodhead and Woodhead is an undersized "overachiever". Another Bears' idiot dwf on Footballsfuture said "Woodhead is nothing special" I'd rather have Garrett Wolfe. Then after Woodhead exploded for the Pats he STILL wouldn't take it back. Another idiot on Youtube claimed Woodhead's agility is like a H.S back. [​IMG]

    Now I don't know a lot about boxing, but the Klitchkos have had a long standing dominance and deserve more respect than the "all the best black fighters are going into other sports" crap.
     
  5. werewolf

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    That's the only thing that I'm afraid of. There'd be big money in a hyped up "revenge match" - a la Vince McMahon's Wrasslin - and there's powerful elements in the boxing power structure that seem to want boxing to become more like wrasslin "sports entertainment" - as per Gaye's chest pounding, which is the same bullsh*t you see in wrasslin, not to mention in every negro ghetto.

    On the other hand I've never seen the slightest indication that the great Kltschkos have ever had the slightest thing to do with the seamier side of boxing.

    What I would like to see is eastern and western Europe form a powerful boxing organization of their own to counter the baleful influence of the thoroughly corrupt western boxing organizations - Don King and the alphabets - so they wouldn't have to stand there like fools sucking on their thumbs when gangster judges do their thing on them, like when they stole Valuev's belt and gave it to Haye.
     
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    I doubt a revenge match would ever be a possibility. I think it would be more likely that if Haye somehow beat Wlad that Haye would proclaim himself the greatest champion in the history of boxing, refuse to fight Vitali, and promptly retire with the belts. I guess the DWFs would then consider heavyweight boxing to have been "saved" at that point.
     
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    The odds that I have seen, as per 5dimes.com (leading sportsbetting website) is anywhere from -180 to -200 favouring Wladimir Klitschko.

    This essentially means that, according the bookmakers, Klitschko is approximately favoured to win 2 fights of every 3 Haye/Klitschko fights.

    To put it in perspective:

    Carl Froch was considered a stronger favourite (-350) against Glen Johnson
    Andre Ward was considered a stronger favourite (-700) against Arthur Abraham
    Danny Green is considered a stronger favourite (-330) against Antonio Tarver.

    In other words, according to the bookies, Wladimir would be best described as a "slight but clear" favourite. Wladimir is definitely favoured to win, but its not unanimous by any means.

    Other fights, for example the recently passed Fernando Montiel and Nonito Donaire had both guys going at about -105. So that was essentially a pickem fight.

    Its important to understand what influences betting odds. Betting odds are influenced by people making wagers. It is the "popular opinion".

    I do bet recreationally for over a year on Boxing, and I know that many times the betting odds are proved correct in a fight. However, Ive seen fights where a guy is favoured (-900) to win a fight, and he just barely wins or wins on a split decision... Some of Sebastian Zbik's fights were like this.

    Celestino Caballero was a -900 favourite over Jason Litzau and he lost. So lol.

    Betting odds only indicate "popular betting opinion".

    In that regard, Wlad is a slight but clear favourite.

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    I don't think that is possible to retire after this if he were somehow able to win (which I highly doubt), the contract he signed guarantees a Wladimir a rematch in that scenario. I don't know if you can get out of that by simply retiring, can you? unless maybe you had some injury where you couldn't fight, otherwise more dwfs would wake up and realize how much of a wuss Haye is
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  9. j41181

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    The odds seldom tell the truth, just like Gallup voting poll. The truth will only come when it's fight time.

    A rematch scenario (IMO) is unlikely. Knowing Haye's entourage, they'll try anything what it takes to make him retire undefeated, even if it means him getting stripped. What effect that will have on DWF's may vary, for they are all to oblivious and gullible to what's at stake.

    So I'd say a win for Wlad is always the better option.
     
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    I'm really getting no indecations thatthe "Fix" is in. There's no sudden MSM interest in this fight, Wladimir is not poping up on magazine covers or tv shows. thing's like that areyour best indecators. Like before the Chuck Liddell/Rampage Jackson match... Also I think a loss for Wladimir would be bad timing right now as the Klitschko movie is just coming out...

    I think white fans are still a little "Shellshocked" by fifty years of the anti-white caste system in the boxing, much like people who go through a horrifying life experince and don't want torelive it again.
    But boxing has changed forever, we will never go back, thats why the media attack it at every opportunity because they know it too...[​IMG]

    That being said I wouldn't be shocked to see them try some kind of hit-and-run tactics against heavyweight boxing..Edited by: lost
     
  11. white is right

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    I can't see a close fight at all. I don't think Haye can take a pounding from Wlad and go beyond 4 rounds maybe 5. Haye can only win by bum rushing Wlad and getting "lucky" like Sanders did. I also don't think Haye has the legs to go in and out for 12 rounds as unlike Valuev, Wlad will be pumping a jab all day in Hayes face forcing him to be on the outside. So crooked biased judging shouldn't be a factor in the fight. I do think that the networks would want a Haye win as a unification fight with Vitali or a rematch with Wlad could be as big as Lewis-Tyson or Holyfield-Tyson II.
     
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    Yeah, it looks like a lot of saps are putting their money where Haye's mouth is. If the odds stay at two to one I might have to put some on Vlad, and I've never bet on a fight in my life.

    A Vlad loss would be utter disaster for White Boxing at this point. When Vlad started on his current win streak I said that he needed to win out, to run the table for the rest of his career. He must crush Haye like the bug that he is.
     
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    Haye has already been defeated by Carl Thompson during his days at Cruiserweight. But yeah, he'd be undefeated since moving up to Heavyweight. Assuming "Diva Gaye"Â￾ does manage to land a auspicious haymaker on Wladimir come July 2nd"¦well, rest assured that he'd never fight a Klitschko again.

    As for these ludicrous betting odds, I don't really mind. In fact, I'd prefer if Haye were favored. All the pressure (of potentially losing) is, at present, squarely placed on Wladimir.

    If Wlad crushes Haye"¦he'll have "only"Â￾ defeated an oversized Cruiserweight with little Heavyweight experience in Ruiz, Barrett, and Valuev. If Wlad somehow loses to Haye"¦he's a charlatan, a bum, an inferior athlete, a lesser man, etc.Edited by: Thrashen
     
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    Losing to Haye would be the most devastating loss of Wladimir's career. Yes, even worse than the loss to Purrity, Sanders, or Brewster. Wlad is in his prime now so he has no excuses. No way Haye outboxes Wladimir even out round but there is always the chance Haye can land a devastating punch.
     
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    I believe this is the most important fight for whitefans since Louis vs schmeling. Because It will determine which way boxingis toogo.
    Eithermoveforward or be pushed back by the shadowy PTB....
     
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    I agree lost. Time to prove his worth to the non believers. Wlad needs to win this fight in a big way. He will be remembered for this fight more so than any of his other fights. Let's go knock this stupid s.o.b. out. Shut his mouth for him by breaking his jaw. Then I want to see David Haye talk.
     
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    I just can't see Wladimir losing this fight "Legtimately"..
    Haye is really a poor fighter IMO, he's off balance, his punching power is way overrated,
    he clearly takes ko fever when he hurts a fighter and starts swing wild (indicating a lack of confidence). David Haye is on a lower level than many of the fighters Wladimr has already beat..
     
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    The US power structure, Pres. Roosevelt through NY Governer Lehman on down wanted that negro to win and they fixed it so that he did, and there are plenty of evil and powerful people today who likewise want to see this negro win too.
     
  21. werewolf

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    "Haye has already been defeated by Carl Thompson during his days at
    Cruiserweight. But yeah, he'd be undefeated since moving up to
    Heavyweight..."


    Not really. All he did was run away all night from a sick Valuev and land one single good punch and then the escaped convicts dressed up in judge suits pronounced him the winner.
     
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    Haha, yes, I'm well aware of farce that was Haye-Valuev. Technically speaking (i.e., in the Jew-managed minds of know-nothing boxing fans) Haye did "defeat" Valuev.
     
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    That's a good thing for us, we will earn a lot of money in a fight that should be 10 to 1, see how stupid those love-blacks media are? They will make us rich, hahahaha, that's good news actually.<div>Wladdy, Wladdy, Wladdy, Wladdy!!!!!!!!!!</div>
     
  24. werewolf

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    So then are you guys betting on the fight? If so how? I don't really want to deal with online bookies, and I don't know any suckers who'll give me the 1-2 odds. How do they say, there's never a n'r or w'r around when you need one!

    Say, is this going to be on regular HBO?
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