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  1. Jimmy Chitwood

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    Just run, baby!

    The biggest lie that makes the Caste System possible is that the White athlete just isn’t good enough to compete with (and prevail against) the Black athlete. If one buys into this notion, it becomes what is called a self-fulfilling prophecy. As quoted by Psychology Today:

    In other words, if people believe it, then it becomes true. With regards to the Caste System, if White folks believe that they can’t perform on the level with their Black peers, then they won’t. This is primarily demonstrated by the lack of participation in so-called “Black†sports such as sprinting in track and field. If White athletes don’t believe they can run with the Black athletes, it follows that they won’t even go out for the sprints, then when they watch the sprints and see only Black kids running it fulfills their false belief that Blacks are faster.

    Furthermore, it seems that facts do little to refute these powerful (albeit false) notions that perpetuate the Caste System (see the fastest female high school sprinter in the USA Marybeth Sant of Colorado).

    Take, for example, my home state of Arkansas.

    According to the most recent census data, Arkansas is a state with a population of a little less than 3 million that is approximately 74% White, 16% Black, with the majority of the remaining population Mexican. But when one observes the track teams around the state, you will see a disproportionately high number of Black participants compared to a disproportionately low number of White participants. (The self-fulfilling prophecy perhaps?)

    In fact, it isn’t uncommon for the fastest White kids in the state to not even run track … they play baseball/softball (White sports) instead. Despite all that, though, the results on the track don’t bear out the “fact†that Black runners are faster. The “fact†is that when White athletes actually compete, they are quite competitive.

    While there aren’t any elite sprinters in Arkansas this year (there is an elite thrower, a couple of impressive pole vaulters, and a pretty good high jumper), the results of this year’s track season are fairly typical. I’ll share them below.

    The “foundation†of all Black-athletic-superiority claims is built upon Black dominance in the short straight-line sprint: the 100-meter dash. It’s said that the White athlete simply can’t measure up. My position is that, while virtually EVERY fast black kid runs track, very few fast White kids do. (Again, the self-fulfilling prophecy.) The results you see on the national stage are the logical result of the differing sample sizes. That being said, despite the small numbers who go out for sprinting in Arkansas, it’s still very common to see White athletes among the fastest kids in the state.

    This year, the four fastest times in the 100-meters came at the Meet of Champs, a very cool track meet that pits the State Champions from all classifications (and the top three other fastest state times) against each other head-to-head. Not surprisingly, when the best go at it, they tend to step up their game. It was no different this year.

    In the boys’ 100-meters, the #1 thru #4 fastest times in the state were separated by a mere 3-hundredths of a second. First place finished in a time of 10.78 seconds, second place in 10.79, third in 10.80, and fourth in 10.81. Not only did that make for an exciting race, it defies the notion that White athletes can’t run with their Black counterparts … because third (Nick Pattillo) and fourth (Chase Lamers) place were White kids. How is that possible?

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    [Additionally, in terms of football recruitment, Kavin Alexander (who took second place) is considered one of the top defensive back prospects in the state, primarily because of his speed. He stands 5-feet-7 and is already a jacked-up 185-pounds. Conversely, Chase Lamers (fourth place) is not being recruited at all despite being one of the top free safeties in the state and measuring in at 6-foot-2 and a rail-thin 175. Which athlete would seem to have the more physical potential to improve?]

    Similar results are found in the other sprint events, as well.

    In the 200-meters White athletes have the second-fastest (Sain-Thomas Mathew, 22.20) and third-fastest (Chase Lamers, 22.22) times in the state.

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    In the 400-meters, Sain-Thomas Mathew (a junior) posted the #1 fastest time in the state, 48.37 seconds.

    Likewise, White runners had the fastest times in the 800-meters (Noah Findlay, 1:55.94), in the 1600-meters (Grant Williams, 4:20.05), and the 3200-meters (Brendan Taylor, 9:12.43). The top two hurdlers in the state were also White. Spencer Sullivan posted the top time in the 300-meter hurdles (39.42) and the #3 in the 110-meter hurdles (15.00). Clint Ligon posted the second fastest time in both the 110-meter hurdles (14.87) and the 300-meter hurdles (39.80).

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    The field events were completely dominated this year by White athletes … even in the “Black†jumping events. Damian Blossom soared to the top mark in the high jump (6 feet, 8.00 inches). Brandon Workman is clearly a blue-collar athlete, as he flew to the top mark in the long jump (23 feet 1.75 inches). Nate Gneiting, an “overachieving†defensive back on the football field, stood alone on the triple jump, leaping a full 6 inches further than the nearest competition (46 feet, 1.25 inches).

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    In the pole vault, two nationally elite White athletes emerged. Kyle Wyatt took the state’s top mark (16 feet, 1 inch). Daniel Spickes, a versatile athlete who also finished with the state’s #3 mark in the long jump and #9 mark in the triple jump, actually knocked off Wyatt at the Meet of Champs in the pole vault but managed just the #2 mark in the state (15 feet 8 inches).

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    Daniel Spickes (on the right)

    No one in the state can come close to Mark Guffin in the throws. Guffin holds the Arkansas state record in the discus (195 feet 2.5 inches) and the top spot with the shot (54 feet 6.25 inches).

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    By my count, there are 14 individual track and field events at the State Championship level, and in Arkansas White athletes are among the elite in every single one of them. So why do so many (White) people insist and believe that White athletes aren’t good enough to compete? Furthermore, if more White athletes participated in track and field, it follows that there would likely be even more fast sprinters and terrific leapers … yet, so many believe the lie and don’t even go out for track.

    There’s not a genetic component that holds back the White athlete. There is only a lack of belief that he (or she) can compete. That fundamental problem is one of the key components that allows the Caste System to exist.
     
  2. jacknyc

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    Well done! Thank you.
     
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    Yay! Jimmy Chitwood has finally returned! Must have finally plunked down some bucks for a new computer:tongue: Yes, this is a huge factor in the "caste-ing" of many sports. In addition to the self-imposed mental condition of the white athlete, the coaches are definitely not helpful in my experience. In varsity track at the local high school, the blacks, whether they were faster or not, were always chosen "first string" for the meets. The coaches felt that they had the most "potential" to win, even though they had been SLOWER than other runners in practice!! You can be sure this happens throughout this brainwashed nation on a daily basis, whether it's in track, football, soccer, you name it.
     
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    Great post! I think a huge factor in track is that blacks physically mature earlier. They are also older for their grade on average, due to shall we say "academic deficiencies". I got a good look at this in action this Spring, at my 4th grader's track meets. One black kid dominated the 5th grade events. He was so much more muscular than his opponents, that it was almost comical. He looked like an 8th grader. By the time the white kids look like 8th graders (in 8th grade), he will still be physically ahead, but not by nearly as much. That advantage will diminish throughout high school, but might still be enough to keep him in a starting role. When they come back for their high school reunion, he'll look like a shrimp.
     
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    Jimmy: You are 100% right; and there are a 100 different ways to add to your comments.

    One interesting way is to look at “newâ€￾ athletic events which have no culture and therefore no preconceived ideas for a self-fulfilling prophesy to get started. One of the newest “athleticâ€￾ sports is free running or Parkour . NBC ran a series this year on TV called American Ninja Warrior which made it into a competition. This is a grass roots urban activity and where one would expect Blacks to be able to compete.

    But despite a number of affirmative action (AA) competitors being added to the finals (having "most popular" and professionals from basketball and football get free passes to the finals – all of one type!!) the White athletes dominated. Asian did better than the AA competitors.
     
  6. white lightning

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    Jimmy "MVP" Chitwood with the best new thread of the month. Welcome back Jimmy. It's been far too long my friend. Posting articles that are insightful like this really can help to open peoples eyes. Little by little we are making a difference.

    I can't remember the last time I followed two female high school sprinters. I would love to see the girls and women of european ancestry make their mark known too. Especially in the U.S. We should have many Lemaitre type males and females. Now if we can only get them involved in track. Now that's the really hard part.
     
  7. Jimmy Chitwood

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    Much of the Caste System dogma is reinforced by encouraging participation by certain groups and the discouraging of it by others. When there are large numbers of Blacks in the population they completely fill the ranks of participants in “their†sports, while the White kids opt out. Conversely, it is only when there are very few Blacks in the population that White athletes necessarily emerge to fill the slots in the so-called “Black†sports. This, in turn, allows the talented White athletes to develop. Following this reasoning, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that gifted, elite outliers such as Marybeth Sant or Dallas Burroughs (Idaho; ran a 10.34 100-meters in 2011) come from areas with virtually no Blacks.

    Again, let’s examine the axiom behind the proclaimed Black dominance in athletics by exploring the definitive Black event, the 100-meter dash ...

    I’ll start with my home state of Arkansas, which has a population of just less than 3 million. Of that total, about 75% are White and almost 16% are Black. I’ve already explained the disproportionate representation in the 100-meters in Arkansas, so I won’t bother repeating it. Despite that limiting factor, however, in the outdoor high school track season of 2013, 3 White kids broke the elite high school barrier of (a wind-legal) 11-second flat 100-meter: Nick Pattillo (10.80), Chase Lamers (10.81), and Ryan Travis (10.93; the #7 overall time in the state).

    Now, compare those numbers to the state of Florida, which has long been claimed to be where speed comes from. (Of course, that translates in Caste parlance as “Black†athletes.)

    Florida has a total population of over 19 million, with approximately 75% being White and about 16.5% Black. So, with a White population of more than 6 times that of Arkansas, why is it that only 1 (ONE!) White athlete in the state of Florida ran the 100-meters in less than 11 seconds?

    There’s only one legitimate reason, and it helps prop up the Caste System: the self-fulfilling prophecy of Black athletic superiority.

    Congratulations are certainly in order for South Lake’s Marshall Nunn. He is the only White athlete to overcome the Caste brainwashing in the entire state, and his season-best time of 10.72 seconds in the 100 speaks to not only his physical talent, but also his mental toughness.

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    This glaring statistical anomaly flies in the face of legitimacy when discussing the notion that “the best athletes play.†(How many times has that been stated by the media, coaches, and even fans over the years?)

    Compare the lack of White performers in highly-populated Florida to that of tiny Idaho, the home of the aforementioned Burroughs. Idaho has a total population of about 1.5 million, with around 90% of that White people and less than 1% Black. Despite the small numbers of White folks (and, I submit, because of the small number of Blacks), Idaho produced 4 White runners who cracked 11 seconds this year, with the fastest being Bryson Stout (10.84). That’s as many fast White sprinters as Arkansas and Florida combined despite having only 7% of the population. Obviously, this is statistically significant.

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    There is even more carry over when you look at Colorado, the home state of the previously-mentioned Sant. Colorado has a total population of a little more than 5 million, with about 80% White but only a bit over 4% Black. By my reckoning, Colorado had 10 White athletes crack the 11-second barrier this year, with Trey Smith (10.61) having the best individual time.

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    Additionally, two other White athletes (Alex Mead and Tanner Townsend) ran faster than 10.7 and would’ve also placed among the fastest dozen kids in “speed†Florida. Again, how is that possible? It flies in the face of everything we’re told about talent and athletics.

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    I risk being repetitive, but the facts are FAR different than what the common folk believe and what the “experts†tell us.

    Sure, there are lots of fast Black athletes out there, but contrary to popular opinion there are also lots of fast White athletes out there. The problem (as I see it) is that most of the fast White kids just aren’t out on the track. They’re playing baseball, or riding a skateboard, or simply sitting at home playing video games. There are no fast Black kids who don’t run track at the high school level. None! Therefore, there aren’t any Black phenoms who slip through the cracks (unless the dysfunction of the Black lifestyle kicks in). The same can’t be said for the White athlete. I know, both from personal experience in athletics and from these simple statistics I’ve shared, that many (perhaps most?) talented White athletes slip through the cracks, never having explored the fullness of their potential.

    This loss of personal achievement and athletic accomplishment is not only depressing from an individual standpoint but also as a fan of sport. Because, truth be told, the best athletes don’t always play.
     
  8. white lightning

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    Again I am very impressed with the writing style of Jimmy Chitwood. You should be in Journalism full time my friend. I'm glad your teaching the youth of this nation as you have a way with words which is very admirable.

    We have talked many times about someone writing a book on the Caste System. I nominate Jimmy Chitwood. I know you have a steady career and a wife now, but you should consider taking on this task someday. You have the knowledge and the skill set to get it done. I really admire the time that you take to post these articles. The proof is in plain site my friend. We can't thank you enough. I hope all is well and I look forward to talking to you over the phone sometime in the near future.
     
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  10. Jimmy Chitwood

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    Just run, baby continued ...

    Let’s continue our examination by taking a look at the example of Illinois, the home state of this year’s fastest White high school sprinter.

    Cole Henderson (Pekin Community, IL) has the fastest wind-legal time for White kids in the US (10.51). It’s currently #16 in the nation (and #1 in IL). He also has Illinois’ top time in the 200-meters (21.50) and the top long jump (23 feet, 11.25 inches), which is currently #12 in the nation. His best time in the 400-meters (48.72) is #3 in the state.

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    As a junior this year, he won 3 individual state titles (100-, 200-, and long jump) and accounted for 31 points at the 3A (largest classification in IL) State Championship meet, single-handedly winning a third-place team trophy.

    Not surprisingly, Henderson goes to an all-White school.

    Video of the 100-meter finals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17yWYzjVSFE
    Video of his post-performance interview: http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=90392

    [As an aside, Henderson is also a standout wide receiver on the football team, at 6-foot-1, 170-pounds … yet he hasn’t been heavily recruited. “Weird.â€]

    While it may surprise some folks that the fastest sprinter in Illinois is a White kid, it’s probably not a surprise to add that very few White kids in his state participate in the sprints. Illinois has a population of nearly 13 million, but about 15% of that total is made up of Black people. I submit that the high percentage of Blacks in the state inhibits the involvement of White athletes on the track, because despite a White population that is approximately 3 times that of Colorado and over 6 times that of Idaho, Illinois produced just 5 White sprinters who cracked the 11-second barrier this year.

    Jake Smith (Minooka) is a junior and a 3A sectional champ. He had the fastest qualifying time in the prelims to miss the Finals (the top 8 times) at State this year (missing by 1 hundredth of a second), despite not having run the 100-meters since he was in 7th grade. His season-best time of 10.92 is #11 in the state. He’s also a standout basketball player.

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    Scott Filip (Lake Park) also just missed the cut for the 3A Final (he was 3 hundredths of a second out). His season-best in the 100-meters was 10.95. Filip, an elite all-around athlete, is also a standout in the high jump (PB of 6 feet 9 inches), long jump (23 feet, 8.5 inches), and triple jump (47 feet), all of which are nationally-elite.

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    Scotty Miller (Barrington) is a youngster to keep an eye on. He ran a season-best 10.97 … and he’s just a sophomore. Also an explosive playmaker on the football field, Miller has a bright future.

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    Nick Rude (Newman) ran a wind-legal 10.98.

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    Almost cracking the list was Isaiah Mosher. He made the 3A Final with a 10.91, but there was no wind indicated. Mosher is a standout wide receiver at 6-foot-3, 185-pounds, and you’d think with his blazing speed as one of the top sprinters in the state of Illinois (and ideal size) he’d be a highly sought after target on the gridiron … but you’d be wrong.

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    and in the weight room.

    Mosher highlight vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7LuYumpeM
     
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    Just run, baby ... concluded?

    Does it come as a surprise, then, that Devon Allen (Brophy Prep, AZ) a phenomenal White talent, who is perhaps the nation’s top overall sprinter regardless of color, comes from a state that has a Black population of less than 5%?

    Nationally elite in 4 sprint events, Allen is the Arizona state record holder in both the 110- (13.48) and 300-meter (36.39) hurdles, and he also features personal bests of 10.49 in the 100-meters and 20.75 in the 200.

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    Despite getting a late start to his senior year’s track season due to injuries, Allen still managed to run the second-fastest 100 in the state this year (10.56), and repeat as State Champ in the 200- (20.98), the 110-hurdles (re-set his own state record with a season-best 13.48), and the 300-hurdles (36.74).

    The versatile Allen is a standout wide receiver on the football field, as well, and has committed to both run track and play football for the Oregon Ducks.

    Allen runs 13.50 in the 110-hurdles into a 1.9 headwind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYfcbGbisMs

    Allen’s football highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sMdcuatxUw

    Despite Allen’s all-around excellence as an example, however, you still see a vast under-representation of White sprinters participating across the state. Consequently, you once again see very few elite White sprinters. By my reckoning, only 2 other White sprinters cracked the 11-second barrier, but both are among the state’s fastest athletes.

    Marcus Setoki (O’Connor) ran a 10.70, which is the #3 overall time in the state.

    Clark Brown (Mountain View Mesa; junior) has a personal-best of 10.87 this year (#11 in the state). He was the fastest sophomore in the state a year ago in both the 100- (10.88) and the 200- (21.91). The 5-foot-10, 160-pound Brown is an explosive wideout/returner on the football field, as well, and his long speed (21.62 in the 200) serves him well.

    Brown highlight vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXbdhmC06UI

    So, I continue to point out the obvious. White potential-sprinters simply aren’t out there running.
     
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    This is all great but did you happen to check the high school track and field page? There are a whopping two whites in the top 50 times in the 100 meters. It doesn't look so bright for young white sprinters unfortunately.
     
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    I think he covered that in his last sentence:

    "So, I continue to point out the obvious. White potential-sprinters simply aren’t out there running."


    They have been trying to eliminate us from participating in some events or positions, and there are still guys who fall through the cracks. It can't only get better.
     
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    To put it into perspective, Devon Allen is faster than Wariner was in high school in the 200 meters. All Wariner did was go on to win national titles in college, and a few world championship gold medals and olympic gold medals to boot. So yes there are more guys like Wariner but they very rarely take up athletics or if they do they usually don't stick with it. The steretypes in track are even worse than basketball and football. It take a very mature kid to stick with a so called "black" sport(not true), while everyone is telling him he can't compete. It usually also takes the support of the kids family and I just don't seen many white families that either follow track or that push their kids into athletics. Scholastics, music and other sports but they don't envision their kids becoming sprinters.

    If you take a look at Hannah Cunliffe and her family, they support her and all of the other children totally. They has helped her to acheive such high success along with great genetics. Yes many whites have incredible gentics and could be great sprinters. Even then though, she is the only one of 7 kids to run track. The other kids do other things and the parents are fine with that. If it was a black family, I guarantee there would be alot more pressure for more if not all of the kids to run track. So when we find boy or girl sprinters, hurdlers, etc that excel, it's even more amazing because we just don't have enough of the talented kids even running track. They are in baseball, hockey, football, other sports, music or focus on scholastics.

    Anyone that doesn't believe that whites can compete has to be myopic at best. They are very naive and I don't even know why anyone would come here if they believed in the myth of black athletic superiority. It is a myth. No doubt about it but this myth is widely believed all around the world. That is what is very, very sad!:thumbdown:
     
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    One last thing as far as Devon Allen goes. I would give almost anything to see this kid give up football and stick with track and field. He can make it as a professional. I guarantee it but for it to happen he needs to give up fooball as his second sport. He has far more potential in athletics than football in my honest opinion. He is one of the greatest all around high school athletes that I've seen in a very long time. He reminds me of Kevin Little who ran the sprints of for the U.S. a few decades ago. He was the last great white american sprinter. Kevin Little had the amazing ability to be able to compete anywhere from 100,200 or 400 meters. He was a 200/400 specialist and damn was he good.

    Devon Allen has the same ability and could potentially be even better. Please stick with track Devon. You were born to run!:becky:
     
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    WL, it's just very frustrating when you see two whites kids in the top 50 100 meter times for high school. That's only 4 percent and considering whites outnumber blacks in this country by 5 to 1 it's terribly bad. I'm willing to bet whites catch up a bit during college as they tend to develop later. Also, in the girls shotput 6 out of the top 10 throws are obese blacks girls. Here in NJ the two best discus and shotput throwers this year were black kids. Frustrating at the very least!
     
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    all excellent points, white lightning.

    perhaps folks get tired of me posting about my home state of Arkansas, but it's what i know more about ... at any rate, i know i've shared the following story with some posters on the boards, but i don't recall what thread it was in. please humor me, while i re-share it.

    two years ago i worked for a school district that was blessed to have one of the fastest sprinters in the state, and who was then a senior. he was a black kid. according to the football and baseball coaches, though, he wasn't the fastest kid at the school. that distinction belonged to a baseball-and-basketball-playing White kid (also a senior), who'd never run track and didn't go out for football until his senior year. you see, he routinely outran the black kid in football practice and on the baseball diamond.

    well, being the type of man i am, i introduced myself to the young man (and his parents) and got to know him a little bit. he was a terrific young man, did well academically and socially, and was a starter on both the baseball and basketball teams, and (despite not playing football until his senior year) started at safety (of course! he was 5-11, maybe 180 pounds).

    long story short, i talked him into going and running for the track team after basketball season was over and when he wasn't practicing for the baseball team. the night before the District Meet, he did just that, and had the track coach show him how to set up the starting blocks (he'd never used them before, obviously). the following day, he ran a 10.9 100-meters and qualified for the State Meet. he went on to run a high 10.8 at the State Championships, in just his second-ever track outing. both times, he was barely edged by his black teammate (who'd been sprinting his whole athletic career).

    now, just think about the kind of natural talent that young man had. and he'd not even have ATTEMPTED to run track if i hadn't talked to him. his parents didn't think he was "fast enough," despite the obvious truth to the contrary.

    as a follow-up, the black kid (despite his criminal record) went on to get a full scholarship to play football and run track. the White kid (despite his outstanding off-field conduct and scholarship) got a partial scholarship to play baseball.

    what's my point? a lot of talented, fast White kids simply don't run track because it's a "black" sport. conversely, EVERY black kid who has even a little talent does so. therefore, no black speedsters slip through the cracks, while many, many White ones do. in my humble opinion.
     
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    watch out for new brit u 20 100 meter champ josh cox , what a talent ran 10.38 (+2.1) following
     
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    whiteathlete33,

    i understand your frustration. but, there's far more to it than "White kids simply aren't fast enough to compete." sure, there are plenty of fast black kids, but there is something fishy with the number of fast White kids out there running ...

    if you look at simple population analysis, it's easy to see that the lack of numbers simply isn't a natural, normal phenomenon. a rudimentary Bell Curve plot would illustrate that quite quickly.

    there's simply not a biological reason that describes why a large population of White Americans (Florida) would produce 1 White high school sprinter and a tiny population of White Americans (Idaho) would produce 4, or a somewhat larger White population (Colorado) produce 10. heck, California, with a non-Hispanic White population of more than 15 million (over 4 times larger than Colorado's) only produced 11.

    to me, that blatantly points out that there is AT LEAST one non-biological factor inhibiting White participation.

    and speaking of California, here are a few notable performers to keep an eye on ...

    Austin Mitsch ran a personal-best of 10.63 100-meters this year (#9 in CA) along with a 21.30 in the 200-meters (CA #5, US #38). He finished sixth at the CIF State Championships in the 100 and took third in the 200. He’ll be running for the University of Colorado next year.

    Spencer Danner is just a junior at San Juan Hills, but he ran a 10.71 (CA #18) and a 21.44 (CA #13, US #66).

    Alex Suchesk, a junior, posted a 10.90. His initial burst is very impressive, as he ran a 6.55 in the 55-meters. He’s just a junior and is also a standout on the football field at tailback.

    Alex Suchesk highlight vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQ4qiNGSx4

    A VERY young kid to keep an eye on is Alex Young, of Woodbridge (in Irvine, CA). Just a freshman, he ran a 10.80 and a 10.88 but with barely too much wind. His best wind-legal time of the year was 11.06. He’s also run a wind-legal 21.96 in the 200-meters.
     
  20. Carolina Speed

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    Yes, White Lightning excellent points and JC we never get tired of hearing about how white athletes excell no matter where they are from. We all have our stories and they need to be told. I hope all here will continue to share their information.

    Please allow me to share one. There was a white kid here in North Carolina who played baseball from age 5 to around 11 years old and at around 10 was introduced to an AAU track coach and began running AAU track. After 1 year of training he made it all the way to The 2009 AAU Junior Olympic Finals in Des Moines Iowa, where he finished 6th in the country with a time of 11.89 in the 100 meters. That's 6th out of about 2500 sprinters of which 99% are black.

    There is no one simple answer to why there are so few white sprinters, but I will try to give my answer the best I can.

    First, white parents have to commit themselves to spending the time it takes with their sons or daughters that it takes to becoming a top level athlete, sprinter, football player, etc.* (Check out the Hannah Cunliffe Story)

    Second, the child has to also have a commitment to training to be a great athlete.*(Check out the Hannah Cunliffe Story)

    Third, I'm not saying you have to specialize in one sport, but most white kids are playing baseball, while most black kids are running track. If your child shows at an early age he or she has some speed, get him or her involved with a legitimate AAU/USA track coach or speed coach. You can run track in the spring and summer and play football in the fall. Work on speed indoors in the winter!*(Hannah Cunliffe)

    Fourth, I'm not against HS track, but most HS track coaches here, don't have a clue about sprinting. Where you will find the best competition and coaching is at the AAU or USA level and most of the sprint coaches are black, so you'll have to decide whether or not you're going to allow a black coach to help your child if this is the case in your area.*(Hannah Cunliffe), her trainer is her dad. He is not black, but he's a very knowledgeable trainer/coach. She runs AAU Track. Did not run for her high school in the beginning.

    I'm sure there are other reasons and I have few ideas, but those are the basics.

    If you're wondering what happened to the white kid I spoke of, he went on to win the N.C. U14 AAU 100 meters at 13 with a time of 11.6, but has turned his attention soley to football and led the state 4A in rushing as a junior with over 3,000 yds.

    Also, I recently spoke to the young man's former AAU coach who is white. He currently has no white sprinters on his team! He says despite advertising, he can't get white kids to come out!

    I would highly suggest if your son has a desire to be a skill position football player, he should run track and work on speed training instead of playing baseball.
     
  21. trackster

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    Jimmy C. has done good work.

    One example he may have missed. Alex Mead, as dominating as he is, actually got nudged out in some races, including a recent national event, by another runner from his state. I believe his name was Zac McCoy, and he's worth looking up. An elite 200/400 talent. He's roughly top 10 nationally in one (the 400?), and naturally he is having to go to a community college, as apparently no Div I school is interested in that kind of speed. A classic Jimmy C. type story.
     
  22. Jimmy Chitwood

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    it's anecdotal, but it is yet another example of my position that fast White kids simply aren't out there running track …

    Haiden Lamb (class of 2014, Lee-Davis High in Mechanicsville, VA) has never run in an outdoor track meet. yet, he's one of the fastest sprinters in the country. how do i know? he's run a 6.39 55-meters during indoor track season. when the real track season rolls around, Lamb is doing this:

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    a standout on the baseball diamond, Lamb has already accepted a scholarship to play baseball for Virginia Commonwealth. but imagine what might have been had he ever focused his efforts on honing his stellar speed.
     
  23. forty-four

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    I don't live far from Mechanicsville, VA. I have to mention that they are the Lee-Davis Confederates! I thought some who post here might appreciate that.
     
  24. Jimmy Chitwood

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    more anecdotal evidence supporting my hypothesis that fast White kids rarely go out for track (brought to you courtesy of the ever-knowledgable walking track encyclopedia white lightning) …

    as i noted in another thread, Godin bested those marks on Friday (March 28) when he ran a 10.49 (1.6 wind) in the 100-meters, which is currently ranked #3 in the U.S., and a 21.18 (1.6 wind) in the 200-meters, which is currently ranked #2 in the U.S.

    again, Godin never ran track until his junior year (he'd been a baseball player). he is a terrific young talent, but it certainly begs the question, "Where are all the other kids like him?"
     

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